Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 4
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LoonyTunes said:
Ali G said:
LoonyTunes said:
A belief in supernatural deities appears more prevalent on these threads than in Ireland nowadays.
Is that the consensus?Feynman
Einstein
Newton
Faraday
Neumann
Trevithic
Watt
Brunel
Not ranked in any hierarchy!
and
Hana Barbera
Ali G said:
LoonyTunes said:
Ali G said:
LoonyTunes said:
A belief in supernatural deities appears more prevalent on these threads than in Ireland nowadays.
Is that the consensus?Feynman
Einstein
Newton
Faraday
Neumann
Trevithic
Watt
Brunel
Not ranked in any hierarchy!
and
Hana Barbera
gadgetmac said:
Ali G said:
LoonyTunes said:
Ali G said:
LoonyTunes said:
A belief in supernatural deities appears more prevalent on these threads than in Ireland nowadays.
Is that the consensus?Feynman
Einstein
Newton
Faraday
Neumann
Trevithic
Watt
Brunel
Not ranked in any hierarchy!
and
Hana Barbera
Julie understands this.
Jinx said:
LoonyTunes said:
A belief in supernatural deities appears more prevalent on these threads than in Ireland nowadays.
Nonsense - still have the Angelus every midday on the Radio. I can only assume you are not Irish.LoonyTunes said:
Jinx said:
LoonyTunes said:
A belief in supernatural deities appears more prevalent on these threads than in Ireland nowadays.
Nonsense - still have the Angelus every midday on the Radio. I can only assume you are not Irish.Jinx said:
LoonyTunes said:
Jinx said:
LoonyTunes said:
A belief in supernatural deities appears more prevalent on these threads than in Ireland nowadays.
Nonsense - still have the Angelus every midday on the Radio. I can only assume you are not Irish.
Todays nonesense non story
Slowing Gulf Stream current to boost warming for 20 years
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-448...
The prospect of the Gulf Stream slowing down and even stopping altogether has worried many experts in recent years.
Some believed that this would cause a rapid cooling around the world with resulting global chaos.
But a new study finds the Gulf Stream go-slow will have a significant impact on planetary temperatures, but not in a chilled out way.
Researchers say a slower current will carry less heat down to the deep oceans meaning more will enter the atmosphere.
Worries over the fate of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc), of which the Gulf Stream is part, were graphically illustrated in the 2004 film, The Day After Tomorrow.
It focused on a sudden collapse of the Amoc caused by global warming leading to a disastrous freezing and the dawning of a new ice age.
So much for Hollywood - the reality according to the corresponding author of this new study is very different.
"The headlines have said that the Gulf Stream is collapsing and the Ice Age is coming sooner than scientists think," Prof Ka-Kit Tung from the University of Washington told BBC News.
"The answer from our work is no to both of them."
Instead Prof Tung and his colleagues have reconstructed what's happened with the flow of the Amoc over the past 70 years. They found a natural pattern with declines, flat periods and increases over the decades.........................continues
I'm getting pissed off my TV license money finances this b
ks
Slowing Gulf Stream current to boost warming for 20 years
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-448...
The prospect of the Gulf Stream slowing down and even stopping altogether has worried many experts in recent years.
Some believed that this would cause a rapid cooling around the world with resulting global chaos.
But a new study finds the Gulf Stream go-slow will have a significant impact on planetary temperatures, but not in a chilled out way.
Researchers say a slower current will carry less heat down to the deep oceans meaning more will enter the atmosphere.
Worries over the fate of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc), of which the Gulf Stream is part, were graphically illustrated in the 2004 film, The Day After Tomorrow.
It focused on a sudden collapse of the Amoc caused by global warming leading to a disastrous freezing and the dawning of a new ice age.
So much for Hollywood - the reality according to the corresponding author of this new study is very different.
"The headlines have said that the Gulf Stream is collapsing and the Ice Age is coming sooner than scientists think," Prof Ka-Kit Tung from the University of Washington told BBC News.
"The answer from our work is no to both of them."
Instead Prof Tung and his colleagues have reconstructed what's happened with the flow of the Amoc over the past 70 years. They found a natural pattern with declines, flat periods and increases over the decades.........................continues
I'm getting pissed off my TV license money finances this b
ksBBC guff said:
The prospect of the Gulf Stream slowing down and even stopping altogether has worried many experts in recent years.
Since the BBC raises the issue of experts, whereas I'd prefer raising the science (to a proper level), it's fair game to do likewise in response.As it happens, possibly the leading oceanographer of the day (an expert?) refutes the erroneous claim above promulgated by the BBC. Note how the icy future presaged ~15 years ago has now turned about face with armwaving justification for warming rather than freezing.
In the scientific journal Nature a communication from Prof Carl Wunsch said:
Sir - Your News story "Gulf Stream probed for early warnings of system failure" (Nature 427, 769 (2004)) discusses what the climate in the south of England would be like "without the Gulf Stream." Sadly, this phrase has been seen far too ofen, usually in newspapers concerned with the unlikely possibility of a new iceage in Britain triggered by the loss of the Gulf Stream.
European readers should be reassured that the Gulf Stream's existence is a consequence of the large-scale wind system over the North Atlantic Ocean, and of the nature of fluid motion on a rotating planet. The only way to produce an ocean circulation without a Gulf Stream is either to turn off the wind system, or to stop the Earth's rotation, or both.
Real questions exist about conceivable changes in the ocean circulation and its climate consequences. However, such discussions are not helped by hyperbole and alarmism. The occurrence of a climate state without the Gulf Stream anytime soon - within tens of millions of years - has a probability of little more than zero.
Carl Wunsch
Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences,
Massachusetts Institute of Technology"
Nature 428, 601, April 8, 2004
More energy will supposedly enter the atmosphere but there's no anthropogenic signal visible in TOA radiative imbalance.European readers should be reassured that the Gulf Stream's existence is a consequence of the large-scale wind system over the North Atlantic Ocean, and of the nature of fluid motion on a rotating planet. The only way to produce an ocean circulation without a Gulf Stream is either to turn off the wind system, or to stop the Earth's rotation, or both.
Real questions exist about conceivable changes in the ocean circulation and its climate consequences. However, such discussions are not helped by hyperbole and alarmism. The occurrence of a climate state without the Gulf Stream anytime soon - within tens of millions of years - has a probability of little more than zero.
Carl Wunsch
Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences,
Massachusetts Institute of Technology"
Nature 428, 601, April 8, 2004
The Beeb really scrapping the barrel now !!
Is UK barbecue charcoal fuelling global deforestation?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-448...
A growing taste for al fresco dining is driving record charcoal sales in the UK but is it also fuelling global deforestation and climate change? .....continues
Is UK barbecue charcoal fuelling global deforestation?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-448...
A growing taste for al fresco dining is driving record charcoal sales in the UK but is it also fuelling global deforestation and climate change? .....continues
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