Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2
Discussion
Guam said:
Well one can now say without fear of contradiction that "Global Warming" has been scientifically proven not to exist 
Sadly a lot of things have been proven not to exist!! these idiots will carry on regardless ,and as long as it suits the current political aims they will be funded and indulgedIts going to be a long war.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Guam said:
turbobloke said:
Guam said:
turbobloke said:
Guam said:
A real NSS moment there. Cooling really is the new warming.
Would a reminder on what global means in this context do any good? Thought not.
Nothing 'global' for nearly 18 years now is it not...
the artificial construct was heading in the correct direction it had meaning, when it doesn't behave religiously and do what the IPCC expects 'Houston We Have A Problem' and assorted bilge starts slopping around in the sewer of suborned science.
PistonHeads: Alliteration Matters
At the most basic level - heat capacity of soil and rock vs heat capacity of water.
Unfortunately the global warming capacity of politicians is worrying in general.
"‘Global warming was not as understood as we thought,’ said Zhaohua Wu, ..."
So, not settled and therefore suggesting his peers have beenlying mis-speaking for a couple of decades?
"Professor Wu used a newly-developed analysis method on historical temperature records to examine land surface temperature trends from 1900 onward for the entire globe, minus Antarctica."
Ah.
So who did he get to peer review that then?
So, not settled and therefore suggesting his peers have been
"Professor Wu used a newly-developed analysis method on historical temperature records to examine land surface temperature trends from 1900 onward for the entire globe, minus Antarctica."
Ah.
So who did he get to peer review that then?
Mr GrimNasty said:
XJ Flyer said:
Meanwhile the weather propaganda service ( aka the UK Met office forecast ) as expected seems to have been a case of putting a warm spin on what is in reality just another cold miserable weekend for May with yet more s
t weather moving in .With no real settled dry summer warming trend in sight even as I've said as far south as Italy.
I've noticed the Met has been giving undue prominence to the London conurbation temperature max., when in reality as you say, 90% of the country has been very normally on the chill side. We've just had 3 air frosts and 3 days colder than most of Jan here on the South Coast. Also notice that town mins of 7 - 8C are reached when the countryside is getting a touch of air frost. It is impossible not to conclude that urban areas are causing a seriously exaggerated temperature record.t weather moving in .With no real settled dry summer warming trend in sight even as I've said as far south as Italy. Edited by XJ Flyer on Monday 5th May 15:24
The fact is,however the believers and their propaganda,try to dress it up,the trend in recent years is more often a case of it being colder and more unsettled,during the Spring/Summer months,than would be expected.Those temperatures too often being in the teens and even low teens C max when 20's would be the expected temperature in May at least.While at the same time no surprise the propaganda machine often seems to be trying to dress that up as being 'warmer' than 'average' for the time of year.
paulrockliffe said:
And yet my house in the North East countryside has been sat at 17-18 degrees since Friday without the heating on at all because the weather was so nice over the weekend. I dont think you can really draw any conclusions about the climate from the weather over any short period of time.
The issue is more one of the fact that so far April and May has been all about temperatures in the teens and more usually low teens max daytime and single figures at night.Which seems to reflect a trend,in recent years at least,of cold washed out Springs and early Summers with even the mid Summer months not being much better.It all gets clearer when the temperatures are seen in the old fahrenheit scale and in which the propaganda machine seems to be saying that 68 degrees F/20C would be considered as a high abnormal temperature in May.While at the same time suggesting that max daytime temperatures in the 50's/low teens in Southern England are normal for the time of year.
Did anyone catch the thing on Channel 4 yesterday about what is causing our extreme weather? I normally avoid these sort of programmes as it's normally just the usual propaganda dressed up as an informative documentary.
It can be entertaining trying to work out what spin they are going to use however this was a bit of a surprise. The programme looked at the recent cold winters and went through the jet stream being too low/stuck, volcanoes and finally got to sunspot activity and the view that we are heading towards a Maunder minimum scenario. I was rather flummoxed by the whole thing and by the end I was waiting for them to tell me to buy Damart.
Surely they weren't going to leave at that? Surely they would tell us that global warming trumps all and regardless of anything the sun does we are still heading towards a hot and sizzling climate doom? Well it did but only one sentence telling us that it's going to get colder and greenhouse gas emissions might stop it from getting too cold. The final revelation was that the climate is really complicated and actually we don't have a clue what might happen!
It can be entertaining trying to work out what spin they are going to use however this was a bit of a surprise. The programme looked at the recent cold winters and went through the jet stream being too low/stuck, volcanoes and finally got to sunspot activity and the view that we are heading towards a Maunder minimum scenario. I was rather flummoxed by the whole thing and by the end I was waiting for them to tell me to buy Damart.
Surely they weren't going to leave at that? Surely they would tell us that global warming trumps all and regardless of anything the sun does we are still heading towards a hot and sizzling climate doom? Well it did but only one sentence telling us that it's going to get colder and greenhouse gas emissions might stop it from getting too cold. The final revelation was that the climate is really complicated and actually we don't have a clue what might happen!
LongQ said:
"‘Global warming was not as understood as we thought,’ said Zhaohua Wu, ..."
So, not settled and therefore suggesting his peers have beenlying mis-speaking for a couple of decades?
"Professor Wu used a newly-developed analysis method on historical temperature records to examine land surface temperature trends from 1900 onward for the entire globe, minus Antarctica."
Ah.
So who did he get to peer review that then?
Richard Bacon and George Monbiot, sporting false beards.So, not settled and therefore suggesting his peers have been
"Professor Wu used a newly-developed analysis method on historical temperature records to examine land surface temperature trends from 1900 onward for the entire globe, minus Antarctica."
Ah.
So who did he get to peer review that then?
Probably...
Europe Must Embrace Shale Gas To Curb Reliance On Russia Says Britain’s Energy Minister
European countries should make a push to start producing shale gas if they hope to reduce reliance on Russian natural gas, Britain’s energy minister said on Monday. “There are a number of European countries that are extremely dependent on Russian gas,” Britain’s Minister of State for Business and Energy Michael Fallon told Reuters. “Europe has to reduce that dependence, to improve its connectivity, to look at encouraging more diverse sources of supply of gas … and more generally to encourage indigenous sources of production of at least shale gas.”
Reuters, 06 May 2014
The Ukraine crisis has become a “wake-up call” for European governments on the need to develop local energy resources, including natural gas from shale, U.K. Energy Minister Michael Fallon said. The use of hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, to tap shale reserves that could meet demand for decades would provide greater security of supply at a time when Russia has threatened to curb gas shipments needed to power European economies, he said in an interview in Houston yesterday.
Bradley Olson, Bloomberg, 06 May 2014
European countries should make a push to start producing shale gas if they hope to reduce reliance on Russian natural gas, Britain’s energy minister said on Monday. “There are a number of European countries that are extremely dependent on Russian gas,” Britain’s Minister of State for Business and Energy Michael Fallon told Reuters. “Europe has to reduce that dependence, to improve its connectivity, to look at encouraging more diverse sources of supply of gas … and more generally to encourage indigenous sources of production of at least shale gas.”
Reuters, 06 May 2014
The Ukraine crisis has become a “wake-up call” for European governments on the need to develop local energy resources, including natural gas from shale, U.K. Energy Minister Michael Fallon said. The use of hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, to tap shale reserves that could meet demand for decades would provide greater security of supply at a time when Russia has threatened to curb gas shipments needed to power European economies, he said in an interview in Houston yesterday.
Bradley Olson, Bloomberg, 06 May 2014
turbobloke said:
Europe Must Embrace Shale Gas To Curb Reliance On Russia Says Britain’s Energy Minister
European countries should make a push to start producing shale gas if they hope to reduce reliance on Russian natural gas, Britain’s energy minister said on Monday. “There are a number of European countries that are extremely dependent on Russian gas,” Britain’s Minister of State for Business and Energy Michael Fallon told Reuters. “Europe has to reduce that dependence, to improve its connectivity, to look at encouraging more diverse sources of supply of gas … and more generally to encourage indigenous sources of production of at least shale gas.”
Reuters, 06 May 2014
The Ukraine crisis has become a “wake-up call” for European governments on the need to develop local energy resources, including natural gas from shale, U.K. Energy Minister Michael Fallon said. The use of hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, to tap shale reserves that could meet demand for decades would provide greater security of supply at a time when Russia has threatened to curb gas shipments needed to power European economies, he said in an interview in Houston yesterday.
Bradley Olson, Bloomberg, 06 May 2014
Surely the same argument can be made for a return to coal being that reserves can be measured in a lot more than 'decades'.European countries should make a push to start producing shale gas if they hope to reduce reliance on Russian natural gas, Britain’s energy minister said on Monday. “There are a number of European countries that are extremely dependent on Russian gas,” Britain’s Minister of State for Business and Energy Michael Fallon told Reuters. “Europe has to reduce that dependence, to improve its connectivity, to look at encouraging more diverse sources of supply of gas … and more generally to encourage indigenous sources of production of at least shale gas.”
Reuters, 06 May 2014
The Ukraine crisis has become a “wake-up call” for European governments on the need to develop local energy resources, including natural gas from shale, U.K. Energy Minister Michael Fallon said. The use of hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, to tap shale reserves that could meet demand for decades would provide greater security of supply at a time when Russia has threatened to curb gas shipments needed to power European economies, he said in an interview in Houston yesterday.
Bradley Olson, Bloomberg, 06 May 2014
However that's what he says in Texas to a probable global warming sceptic audience but when he gets back here his own Party leader let alone side kick Davey will probably say that we can have as much shale gas as we like but we'll then have to pay a massive fossil fuel 'green' tax on it.IE his comments aren't consistent with the reality of the Con party line.It's only UKIP which provides a real sceptic alternative.
www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/feb/26/climat...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0sPyIKCSow
As for the 'European economies' it's time that we started viewing places like Germany as our competitors not partners.
Edited by XJ Flyer on Tuesday 6th May 16:39
Once upon a time we used to make our very own town gas - from COAL!
Oh, and by the way, we're all doomed...
Independent says a 50 metre sea level rise is possible.
Oh, and by the way, we're all doomed...
Independent says a 50 metre sea level rise is possible.
Edited by motco on Tuesday 6th May 17:31
motco said:
Once upon a time we used to make our very own town gas - from COAL!
Oh, and by the way, we're all doomed...
Independent says a 50 metre sea level rise is possible.
Warning, the article contains the following phrase.Oh, and by the way, we're all doomed...
Independent says a 50 metre sea level rise is possible.
Edited by motco on Tuesday 6th May 17:31
"Computer modelling shows that if............"
Pleas do not spit coffee at screen.
It is important not to forget that we were told, both by labour and the coalition, that fuel/energy prices could rise to fund for eco-crap subsidies because the UK would be warmer, so less need to use our heating - also, solar panels were a great investment, both for industry and home owners because there would be more sun, due to global warming.
Just how many billions have been spunked up the wall already based on these lies?
And still it continues!
Just how many billions have been spunked up the wall already based on these lies?
And still it continues!
motco said:
Once upon a time we used to make our very own town gas - from COAL!
Oh, and by the way, we're all doomed...
Independent says a 50 metre sea level rise is possible.
Waterworld.Oh, and by the way, we're all doomed...
Independent says a 50 metre sea level rise is possible.
Edited by motco on Tuesday 6th May 17:31
Wasn't that a film that sank almost without trace?
XJ Flyer said:
Surely the same argument can be made for a return to coal being that reserves can be measured in a lot more than 'decades'.
However that's what he says in Texas to a probable global warming sceptic audience but when he gets back here his own Party leader let alone side kick Davey will probably say that we can have as much shale gas as we like but we'll then have to pay a massive fossil fuel 'green' tax on it.IE his comments aren't consistent with the reality of the Con party line.It's only UKIP which provides a real sceptic alternative.
www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/feb/26/climat...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0sPyIKCSow
As for the 'European economies' it's time that we started viewing places like Germany as our competitors not partners.
Or a buffer zone, depending on your point of view.However that's what he says in Texas to a probable global warming sceptic audience but when he gets back here his own Party leader let alone side kick Davey will probably say that we can have as much shale gas as we like but we'll then have to pay a massive fossil fuel 'green' tax on it.IE his comments aren't consistent with the reality of the Con party line.It's only UKIP which provides a real sceptic alternative.
www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/feb/26/climat...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0sPyIKCSow
As for the 'European economies' it's time that we started viewing places like Germany as our competitors not partners.
Edited by XJ Flyer on Tuesday 6th May 16:39
motco said:
Independent says a 50 metre sea level rise is possible.
So the Independent is preparing to relocate to higher ground, then? Thought not.mybrainhurts said:
motco said:
Independent says a 50 metre sea level rise is possible.
So the Independent is preparing to relocate to higher ground, then? Thought not.Guam said:
LongQ said:
mybrainhurts said:
motco said:
Independent says a 50 metre sea level rise is possible.
So the Independent is preparing to relocate to higher ground, then? Thought not.mybrainhurts said:
Guam said:
LongQ said:
mybrainhurts said:
motco said:
Independent says a 50 metre sea level rise is possible.
So the Independent is preparing to relocate to higher ground, then? Thought not.
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