Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

[Strocky]

TheRainMaker said:

Strocky said:

TheRainMaker said:

What Scotland Thinks.

How would you vote in a Scottish independence referendum if held now?

42% Yes - 53% No - 5% Don't know

Meaningless poll, the referendum isn't being held now

This is the sort of pish that's being peddled by SLAB and the ScotCons

It's not really though is it, it's an indecator on how people probably will vote.

Or do you think it's rigged?

It's not rigged, however once the Brexit negotiations play out, I'd wager the polls will shift

You've also not even given a link to the poll so I haven't a clue the methodology employed by the polling company

All polls are not created equally

[Strocky]

Smollet said:

This could be solved if RuK were to vote on whether we want Scotland to be part of the Union. Beware of what you wish for.

Yep, the Tory tactic of calling the SNP dangerous lefties and spongers over the years especially in the 2015 GE has bitten them on the arse

But hey we're all one big happy union, right?

[TheRainMaker]

Strocky said:

TheRainMaker said:

Strocky said:

TheRainMaker said:

What Scotland Thinks.

How would you vote in a Scottish independence referendum if held now?

42% Yes - 53% No - 5% Don't know

Meaningless poll, the referendum isn't being held now

This is the sort of pish that's being peddled by SLAB and the ScotCons

It's not really though is it, it's an indecator on how people probably will vote.

Or do you think it's rigged?

It's not rigged, however once the Brexit negotiations play out, I'd wager the polls will shift

You've also not even given a link to the poll so I haven't a clue the methodology employed by the polling company

All polls are not created equally

I thought I would keep it simple.

http://whatscotlandthinks.org

http://whatscotlandthinks.org/questions/how-would-...

Should be fairly impartial I would think.

[technodup]

Strocky said:

But hey we're all one big happy union, right?

Most of us are, yes.

There will always be a chippy wee minority shouting from the sidelines, but we can ignore them. Or outvote them.

[NoNeed]

Strocky said:

Yep, the Tory tactic of calling the SNP dangerous lefties and spongers over the years especially in the 2015 GE has bitten them on the arse

But hey we're all one big happy union, right?

I thought we just called them scum.

[TheRainMaker]

This from the UK Governments own petition website.

Agree to a second referendum on Scottish Independence 38085 Votes

Another Scottish independence referendum should not be allowed to happen 218383 Votes

That says it all TBH.

[Moonhawk]

GoneAnon said:

1) The manifesto said in black and white that they reserved the right to have another referendum if Scotland was taken out of the EU against its will. So no creative interpretation then.

When was that manifesto written?

[dromong]

I am undecided if the constant bleating about Freedom at the expense of the good of Scotland is either because...

A... it distracts from the harsh reality of actually running the country so they can wave the flag and get votes while blaming everything that goes wrong on the hated Tories/English/Westminster.

or

B.... They actually think like that.

However

There is another scary thought that the crashing of Scotland's economy as well as stirring up hate is a deliberate act. As it is driving people like me out of Scotland and making people poor. If you are poorly educated and at rock bottom then you will buy into the "its all Englands fault propaganda".

However

I do believe you should never see malice where sheer utter stupidity will bring the same results.

[Strocky]

dro said:

I am undecided if the constant bleating about Freedom at the expense of the good of Scotland is either because...

A... it distracts from the harsh reality of actually running the country so they can wave the flag and get votes while blaming everything that goes wrong on the hated Tories/English/Westminster.

or

B.... They actually think like that.

However

There is another scary thought that the crashing of Scotland's economy as well as stirring up hate is a deliberate act. As it is driving people like me out of Scotland and making people poor. If you are poorly educated and at rock bottom then you will buy into the "its all Englands fault propaganda".

However

I do believe you should never see malice where sheer utter stupidity will bring the same results.

Ignoring your superiority complex, are you surprised that a country that's rejected the Tories for over 50 years at the ballot box might choose an alternative given the social policies of the current Tory government and that they're being told they couldn't afford to run an independent country by the same government that controls the finances that's ran up a deficit of over £1.5Tn?

Why does Norway generate substantially more tax revenues from Oil than the UK for example?

People choose independence not through stupidity or hate based on the above

[Strocky]

Moonhawk said:

GoneAnon said:

1) The manifesto said in black and white that they reserved the right to have another referendum if Scotland was taken out of the EU against its will. So no creative interpretation then.

When was that manifesto written?

Last years Scottish Elections

[TheRainMaker]

Strocky said:

a deficit of over £1.5Tn?

Where did you get that figure from then? and why do you think a Scottish Government could do a better job?

Edited by TheRainMaker on Saturday 1st April 10:38

[NoNeed]

Strocky said:

Ignoring your superiority complex, are you surprised that a country that's rejected the Tories for over 50 years at the ballot box might choose an alternative given the social policies of the current Tory government and that they're being told they couldn't afford to run an independent country by the same government that controls the finances that's ran up a deficit of over £1.5Tn?

Why does Norway generate substantially more tax revenues from Oil than the UK for example?

People choose independence not through stupidity or hate based on the above

I think you mean debt not deficit.

The deficit was created by A Scottish chancellor with the help of a Scottish born prime minister who allowed A Scottish bank to gamble.


Westminster will spend a generation sorting your mess.

Edited by NoNeed on Saturday 1st April 10:42

[davepoth]

Strocky said:

Why does Norway generate substantially more tax revenues from Oil than the UK for example?

Geography?

[Strocky]

TheRainMaker said:

Where did you get that figure from then? and why do you think a Scottish Government could do a better job?

Edited by TheRainMaker on Saturday 1st April 10:38

'Twas a typo, meant debt, apologies

Re the SG doing any better, I don't think they're as pro trickle down economics as the current WM government and are a tad more ambitious re distribution of wealth based on their albeit modest tax regime policies including land reform

I work on the basis that a small independent country with natural resources, a vibrant food & tech sector and a skilled workforce not spending billions on a white defence elephant would sit somewhere Between Athens without the sun and a Petrosocialist Paradise

[Strocky]

NoNeed said:

Strocky said:

Ignoring your superiority complex, are you surprised that a country that's rejected the Tories for over 50 years at the ballot box might choose an alternative given the social policies of the current Tory government and that they're being told they couldn't afford to run an independent country by the same government that controls the finances that's ran up a deficit of over £1.5Tn?

Why does Norway generate substantially more tax revenues from Oil than the UK for example?

People choose independence not through stupidity or hate based on the above

I think you mean debt not deficit.

The deficit was created by A Scottish chancellor with the help of a Scottish born prime minister who allowed A Scottish bank to gamble.


Westminster will spend a generation sorting your mess.

Edited by NoNeed on Saturday 1st April 10:42

Where do you even begin with this, I'm beginning to pine for the days of McWigglebum

[Sylvaforever]

Strocky said:

'Twas a typo, meant debt, apologies

Re the SG doing any better, I don't think they're as pro trickle down economics as the current WM government and are a tad more ambitious re distribution of wealth based on their albeit modest tax regime policies including land reform

I work on the basis that a small independent country with natural resources, a vibrant food & tech sector and a skilled workforce not spending billions on a white defence elephant would sit somewhere Between Athens without the sun and a Petrosocialist Paradise

You gave to pity these fools.

[TheRainMaker]

Strocky said:

Re the SG doing any better, I don't think they're as pro trickle down economics as the current WM government and are a tad more ambitious re distribution of wealth based on their albeit modest tax regime policies including land reform

I work on the basis that a small independent country with natural resources, a vibrant food & tech sector and a skilled workforce not spending billions on a white defence elephant would sit somewhere Between Athens without the sun and a Petrosocialist Paradise

Fair enough, not sure I agree with it but thanks for taking the time to reply.

[technodup]

Strocky said:

Ignoring your superiority complex, are you surprised that a country that's rejected the Tories for over 50 years at the ballot box might choose an alternative given the social policies of the current Tory government

You realise those same voters have roundly rejected the SNP for the same 50 years? In fact you might remember a wee referendum a couple of years back.

What is unacceptable, is the Labour party's dysfunction allowing the SNP to ride in for a couple of years and change the course of our future forever, when as a nation we have never wanted independence.

And it always amazes me when Nats spit out 'Tory' like it should be bleeped. We're told everyone is welcome in Scotland, we're inclusive and non judgemental, but if you happen to vote Conservative you're worse than Satan himself. A quarter of the country castigated as the enemy. Well fk you very much.

And lastly, social policies cost money. Money the UK doesn't have, and Scotland doesn't have. Letting poor people think that an independent Scotland is going to be a universal income, banker bashing, free stuff for everyone socialist utopia is deceitful as fk. Especially when, even after the 50 years you mentioned, none of the SNP top brass can even give a coherent, never mind straight and realistic answer on what currency we would use.

Fortunately I think people are starting to see them for what they are.

[r11co]

This one's aimed straight at fluffnik....

Scotland is not a colony, the UK is not an empire.

[Strocky]

@Techno

The SNP are the current vehicle for scottish voters having taken the mantle up from Labour

And like it or not, the conservative & unionist party have been a minority party for years in Scotland, even now