May Vs Corbyn live on the telly,
Discussion
Greg66 said:
As for his answer, I've said at least twice already today that he is a pacifist who cannot condemn violence by the UK's enemies without also condemning violence by the UK's armed forces (see e.g., NI, Falklands, Gulf War 1). I have nothing against pacifists, but being a pacifist is not compatible with being PM of the UK and having charge of its armed forces.
I don't think he is actually a pacifist. He's spent a lifetime supporting whoever opposed 'the west', whether that be by peaceful or violent means. It's 'the west's' use of violence that he doesn't like. vonuber said:
It says something when the main topic of debate is whether we get to kill millions of people and not about cutting school funding etc.
It's been pointed out to you now several times and you keep ignoring it to make disingenuous none points like the above. You talk about school funding while glossing over the fact he is going to be PM while overseeing the Trident renewal and spend billions, while I would guess his disastrous economic policies means he too will have to make cuts to schools and the beloved NHS, all while stating he won't use Trident under any circumstances.
It's not about killing millions, its a fundamental question as to his honesty and wasting billions.
Here's another one.
Today: "We will protect the people of this country from any threat that they face anywhere in the world. We will invest properly in our police service, we will invest properly in our armed services, the numbers in the armed services have gone down, the Navy are crying out for more ships, the Air Force are crying out for more surveillance aircraft - we would fund them properly to achieve all of that." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-4012024...
2010: "fight all the cuts, except those in the armed forces where we want to see a few more cuts taking place" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YjzdIh2I0J4
Lies shamelessly.
Today: "We will protect the people of this country from any threat that they face anywhere in the world. We will invest properly in our police service, we will invest properly in our armed services, the numbers in the armed services have gone down, the Navy are crying out for more ships, the Air Force are crying out for more surveillance aircraft - we would fund them properly to achieve all of that." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-4012024...
2010: "fight all the cuts, except those in the armed forces where we want to see a few more cuts taking place" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YjzdIh2I0J4
Lies shamelessly.
Greg66 said:
gooner1 said:
Greg66 said:
rover 623gsi said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/02/l...
Labour has accused the Conservatives of creating “fake news” after a Tory attack video that went viral was edited to show Jeremy Corbyn refusing to condemn the IRA, when in fact the Labour leader said: “I condemn all the bombing by the loyalists and the IRA.”
The 85-second montage of Corbyn’s quotes has been circulating online for the last week and has been viewed 5.3m times, three times more than any other political campaign video. The Conservatives are also paying Facebook to insert it into people’s news feeds. It is subtitled: “On June 9th, this man could be Prime Minister. We can’t let that happen.”
It includes a clip from Corbyn’s appearance on Sky News last month when interviewer Sophy Ridge asked whether he could “condemn unequivocally the IRA”. The Labour leader said: “Look, bombing is wrong, all bombing is wrong, of course I condemn it.” Ridge responded: “But you’re condemning all bombing, can you condemn the IRA without equating it to.” Corbyn said: “No.”
The clip was cut off there but the full quote was: “No, I think what you have to say is all bombing has to be condemned and you have to bring about a peace process. Listen, in the 1980s Britain was looking for a military solution, it clearly was never going to work. Ask anyone in the British army at the time … I condemn all the bombing by the loyalists and the IRA.”
Don't see much wrong with the answerLabour has accused the Conservatives of creating “fake news” after a Tory attack video that went viral was edited to show Jeremy Corbyn refusing to condemn the IRA, when in fact the Labour leader said: “I condemn all the bombing by the loyalists and the IRA.”
The 85-second montage of Corbyn’s quotes has been circulating online for the last week and has been viewed 5.3m times, three times more than any other political campaign video. The Conservatives are also paying Facebook to insert it into people’s news feeds. It is subtitled: “On June 9th, this man could be Prime Minister. We can’t let that happen.”
It includes a clip from Corbyn’s appearance on Sky News last month when interviewer Sophy Ridge asked whether he could “condemn unequivocally the IRA”. The Labour leader said: “Look, bombing is wrong, all bombing is wrong, of course I condemn it.” Ridge responded: “But you’re condemning all bombing, can you condemn the IRA without equating it to.” Corbyn said: “No.”
The clip was cut off there but the full quote was: “No, I think what you have to say is all bombing has to be condemned and you have to bring about a peace process. Listen, in the 1980s Britain was looking for a military solution, it clearly was never going to work. Ask anyone in the British army at the time … I condemn all the bombing by the loyalists and the IRA.”
Are you happy with my edit of your quote?
As for his answer, I've said at least twice already today that he is a pacifist who cannot condemn violence by the UK's enemies without also condemning violence by the UK's armed forces (see e.g., NI, Falklands, Gulf War 1). I have nothing against pacifists, but being a pacifist is not compatible with being PM of the UK and having charge of its armed forces.
ETA: to clarify further, if he were to run on a platform of disbanding the UK's armed forces, dismantling its arsenals and declaring internationally the UK a neutral country, I would have no problem with his integrity. But that's not his platform - he is instead trying to con people into believing that they would get a PM who would defend this country with its armed forces.
He is deceitful and dangerous.
Edited by Greg66 on Saturday 3rd June 16:57
ash73 said:
Haven't bothered paying much attention to this I just assumed it would be a landslide for May, but wtf is going on? Do people seriously think Corbyn would be a good Prime Minister, and that him negotiating our country's future with the EU would be a good idea? It's insane.
Surely people will come to their senses?
People like promises of free stuff.Surely people will come to their senses?
vonuber said:
It says something when the main topic of debate is whether we get to kill millions of people and not about cutting school funding etc.
It wouldn't be a tpoic of dabate if JC could answer a straight question with a straight answer.We spend billions on trident because it is a wee bit important.
You don't care what his policy is for tne defence of the uk?
Greg66 said:
Here's another one.
Today: "We will protect the people of this country from any threat that they face anywhere in the world. We will invest properly in our police service, we will invest properly in our armed services, the numbers in the armed services have gone down, the Navy are crying out for more ships, the Air Force are crying out for more surveillance aircraft - we would fund them properly to achieve all of that." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-4012024...
2010: "fight all the cuts, except those in the armed forces where we want to see a few more cuts taking place" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YjzdIh2I0J4
Lies shamelessly.
Today: "We will protect the people of this country from any threat that they face anywhere in the world. We will invest properly in our police service, we will invest properly in our armed services, the numbers in the armed services have gone down, the Navy are crying out for more ships, the Air Force are crying out for more surveillance aircraft - we would fund them properly to achieve all of that." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-4012024...
2010: "fight all the cuts, except those in the armed forces where we want to see a few more cuts taking place" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YjzdIh2I0J4
Lies shamelessly.
And more u-turns than the PM but he somehow gets away with it at campaign time (supine media take a bow).
- conspicuously failed to sing the National Anthem when he was at a ceremony at St Paul’s cathedral to mark the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Britain in the Second World War. A day later, his spokesman said that he would in fact sing the anthem in future.
- Corbyn told the Andrew Marr programme on BBC1 that he wanted the party’s conference to vote on his plans to scrap the Trident nuclear deterrent. Then the debate was dropped from the conference agenda altogether.
- In July last year Corbyn claimed he was the only Labour leadership candidate who might vote to leave the EU, Later when asked if he could see a situation in which Labour campaigned to leave the EU, Mr Corbyn said: “No, I don’t see that position" but what was the Labour brexit bill whip? Double bubble.
- Labour's man of the people started the Labour leadership campaign by wearing a white vest visibly under his trademark blue shirt with biro in the top pocket. After being lampooned on the cover of Private Eye magazine he stopped wearing the vest, removed the biro from his pocket and started to wear an ironed shirt, sometimes a suit. Smoothie.
- After expressing disdain for the Privy Council he then said he would join but might not kneel when sworn in - sure Jezza what a lad you are.
- Corbyn made an embarrassing climb-down over his idea on maximum pay caps after aides claimed he "mispoke" ho ho ho
- the first u-turn of the current campaign involved Labour ruling out a second referendum on the final EU deal just hours after Corbyn refused to deny it would hold one.
- Corbyn then made a benefits U-turn as he back-pedalled on a promise to reverse-freeze by selecting reverse gear.
- Initially our Jeremy wasn't going to attend the TV debate in Cambridge, but hold on - Momentum got extra bodies in the audience pretending to be Tories so Hey Presclot it's magic as JC decides to attend at the last minute in an attempt to goad TM into an ambush.
JagLover said:
BruceV8 said:
I'm sure I haven't imagined this, but didn't he equate PIRA terrorism with the actions of the army in Northern Ireland?
Corybyn said:
I condemn all acts of violence in Northern Ireland from wherever they came
and similar statements that have equated the actions of the security services in NI with the IRAshadow Chancellor said:
It’s about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and the sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands which brought Britain to the negotiating table.
The peace we have now is due to the actions of the IRA. Because of the bravery of IRA and people like Bobby Sands we now have a peace process.
The peace we have now is due to the actions of the IRA. Because of the bravery of IRA and people like Bobby Sands we now have a peace process.
Shadow Home secretary said:
Ireland is our struggle and every defeat of the British State a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed.
In a perfect world tney'd be deported.
Yet for some bizarre reason, millions are trying to vote them into power.
Labour...enemey of tne state.....supporters of terrorism agaiinst the state.
Charming.
ash73 said:
Haven't bothered paying much attention to this I just assumed it would be a landslide for May, but wtf is going on? Do people seriously think Corbyn would be a good Prime Minister, and that him negotiating our country's future with the EU would be a good idea? It's insane.
Surely people will come to their senses?
Well, you'd think so wouldn't you? but judging by some of the posts on here there are plenty of fSurely people will come to their senses?
kwits around who would be perfectly happy to see Marxists running the country, anyone who thinks that's a good idea is as thick as mince as far as I'm concerned.turbobloke said:
And more u-turns than the PM but he somehow gets away with it at campaign time (supine media take a bow).
- conspicuously failed to sing the National Anthem when he was at a ceremony at St Paul’s cathedral to mark the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Britain in the Second World War. A day later, his spokesman said that he would in fact sing the anthem in future.
- Corbyn told the Andrew Marr programme on BBC1 that he wanted the party’s conference to vote on his plans to scrap the Trident nuclear deterrent. Then the debate was dropped from the conference agenda altogether.
- In July last year Corbyn claimed he was the only Labour leadership candidate who might vote to leave the EU, Later when asked if he could see a situation in which Labour campaigned to leave the EU, Mr Corbyn said: “No, I don’t see that position" but what was the Labour brexit bill whip? Double bubble.
- Labour's man of the people started the Labour leadership campaign by wearing a white vest visibly under his trademark blue shirt with biro in the top pocket. After being lampooned on the cover of Private Eye magazine he stopped wearing the vest, removed the biro from his pocket and started to wear an ironed shirt, sometimes a suit. Smoothie.
- After expressing disdain for the Privy Council he then said he would join but might not kneel when sworn in - sure Jezza what a lad you are
- Corbyn made an embarrassing climb-down over his idea on maximum pay caps after aides claimed he "mispoke" ho ho ho
- the first u-turn of the current campaign involved Labour ruling out a second referendum on the final EU deal just hours after Corbyn refused to deny it would hold one
- Corbyn then made a benefits U-turn as he back-pedalled on a promise to reverse-freeze by selecting reverse gear
- Initially our Jeremy wasn't going to attend the TV debate in Cambridge, but hold on - Momentum got extra bodies in the audience pretending to be Tories so Hey Presclot it's magic as JC decides to attend at the last minute in an attempt to goad TM into an ambush
king fkity fk does he get away with it? Are the papers more interested in the excitement of a close race than in reprinting this stuff? The Privy Council thing is especially good and one I'd forgotten about: HE'S A fkING REPUBLICAN FFS! How can a committed Republican possibly, conceivably, ever become PM? Oh yes, because he keeps it a secret, that's how.
I thought the US was a laughing stock when it elected Dubya. More so when it did it a second time. But then Trump put it off the scale. But if Corbyn is PM next Friday the US will look like it is packed to the rafters with geniuses compared to our sceptered isle full of utter cretins.
I can't even go for a long run to work this out of my system, because I've already done that today and it hasn't worked!
philv said:
It wouldn't be a tpoic of dabate if JC could answer a straight question with a straight answer.
We spend billions on trident because it is a wee bit important.
You don't care what his policy is for tne defence of the uk?
Honestly? I suspect it be would be the same as any other government. It's a complete non-issue for me, people seem to think that if Corbyn was in power then suddenly everyone would declare war and annex Cheltenham.We spend billions on trident because it is a wee bit important.
You don't care what his policy is for tne defence of the uk?
I'm more worried about the NHS, policing, schools, tax rates etc, rather than something which I don't think will change. We'll still have Trident and will still never use it. It's a non-issue.
If COrbyn wanted to scrap it as PM he'd face a revolt through his MP's and get booted out anyway.
Greg66 said:
How the fking fkity fk does he get away with it? Are the papers more interested in the excitement of a close race than in reprinting this stuff? The Privy Council thing is especially good and one I'd forgotten about: HE'S A fkING REPUBLICAN FFS!
Exactly.king fkity fk does he get away with it? Are the papers more interested in the excitement of a close race than in reprinting this stuff? The Privy Council thing is especially good and one I'd forgotten about: HE'S A fkING REPUBLICAN FFS! I'm sure there were a couple more u-turns by our Jeremy but can't recall. I don't need a long run just a long drink!
ETA there were a couple more...
- Initially JC suggested that another ScotRef (independence referendum) should be held but more recently has said that a second go was "unwanted and unnecessary"
- Then there was Corbyn's u-turn as Labour backed 'managed migration'
Edited by turbobloke on Saturday 3rd June 18:23
Greg66 said:
Here's another one.
Today: "We will protect the people of this country from any threat that they face anywhere in the world. We will invest properly in our police service, we will invest properly in our armed services, the numbers in the armed services have gone down, the Navy are crying out for more ships, the Air Force are crying out for more surveillance aircraft - we would fund them properly to achieve all of that." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-4012024...
2010: "fight all the cuts, except those in the armed forces where we want to see a few more cuts taking place" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YjzdIh2I0J4
Lies shamelessly.
Labour PR spokesperson mode on : Jeremy has been on a journey since he made those comments, and we don't know why you attempt to smear him. His hair has changed since then, and so has his stance on this issue.Today: "We will protect the people of this country from any threat that they face anywhere in the world. We will invest properly in our police service, we will invest properly in our armed services, the numbers in the armed services have gone down, the Navy are crying out for more ships, the Air Force are crying out for more surveillance aircraft - we would fund them properly to achieve all of that." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-4012024...
2010: "fight all the cuts, except those in the armed forces where we want to see a few more cuts taking place" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YjzdIh2I0J4
Lies shamelessly.
- Add sound of Corbyn hardliner shouting 'fake news you Zionist' at you in the background*.
Deptford Draylons said:
Greg66 said:
Here's another one.
Today: "We will protect the people of this country from any threat that they face anywhere in the world. We will invest properly in our police service, we will invest properly in our armed services, the numbers in the armed services have gone down, the Navy are crying out for more ships, the Air Force are crying out for more surveillance aircraft - we would fund them properly to achieve all of that." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-4012024...
2010: "fight all the cuts, except those in the armed forces where we want to see a few more cuts taking place" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YjzdIh2I0J4
Lies shamelessly.
Labour PR spokesperson mode on : Jeremy has been on a journey since he made those comments, and we don't know why you attempt to smear him. His hair has changed since then, and so has his stance on this issue.Today: "We will protect the people of this country from any threat that they face anywhere in the world. We will invest properly in our police service, we will invest properly in our armed services, the numbers in the armed services have gone down, the Navy are crying out for more ships, the Air Force are crying out for more surveillance aircraft - we would fund them properly to achieve all of that." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-4012024...
2010: "fight all the cuts, except those in the armed forces where we want to see a few more cuts taking place" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YjzdIh2I0J4
Lies shamelessly.
- Add sound of Corbyn hardliner shouting 'fake news you Zionist' at you in the background*.
JagLover said:
BruceV8 said:
I'm sure I haven't imagined this, but didn't he equate PIRA terrorism with the actions of the army in Northern Ireland?
Corybyn said:
I condemn all acts of violence in Northern Ireland from wherever they came
and similar statements that have equated the actions of the security services in NI with the IRAshadow Chancellor said:
It’s about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and the sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands which brought Britain to the negotiating table.
The peace we have now is due to the actions of the IRA. Because of the bravery of IRA and people like Bobby Sands we now have a peace process.
The peace we have now is due to the actions of the IRA. Because of the bravery of IRA and people like Bobby Sands we now have a peace process.
Shadow Home secretary said:
Ireland is our struggle and every defeat of the British State a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed.
Why has nobody asked Corbyn in these debates about how we could possibly trust his judgement or leadership when he tolerates this woman in his team? Same for a few others too.
Greg66 said:
How the fking fkity fk does he get away with it? Are the papers more interested in the excitement of a close race than in reprinting this stuff? The Privy Council thing is especially good and one I'd forgotten about: HE'S A fkING REPUBLICAN FFS!
How can a committed Republican possibly, conceivably, ever become PM? Oh yes, because he keeps it a secret, that's how.
I thought the US was a laughing stock when it elected Dubya. More so when it did it a second time. But then Trump put it off the scale. But if Corbyn is PM next Friday the US will look like it is packed to the rafters with geniuses compared to our sceptered isle full of utter cretins.
I can't even go for a long run to work this out of my system, because I've already done that today and it hasn't worked!
You have to imagine all the good stuff will come out next week in the final couple of days, so it's fresh in the minds of the voters when they go to the polls. king fkity fk does he get away with it? Are the papers more interested in the excitement of a close race than in reprinting this stuff? The Privy Council thing is especially good and one I'd forgotten about: HE'S A fkING REPUBLICAN FFS! How can a committed Republican possibly, conceivably, ever become PM? Oh yes, because he keeps it a secret, that's how.
I thought the US was a laughing stock when it elected Dubya. More so when it did it a second time. But then Trump put it off the scale. But if Corbyn is PM next Friday the US will look like it is packed to the rafters with geniuses compared to our sceptered isle full of utter cretins.
I can't even go for a long run to work this out of my system, because I've already done that today and it hasn't worked!
Odds down again for Conservatives today, Paddy Power now showing their lowest odds for a Tory majority at 1/4.
Still positively in favour of them to twin of course, but it's a shame so many old people believe the hysteria around the economy rather than realising borrowing money to investing it wisely can make you money. It's what businesses do everyday.
Hopefully people can ignore the eleventy million Tory posters on every stretch of road in the UK farmers fields...
Only one sensible way to vote on June the 8th.
Still positively in favour of them to twin of course, but it's a shame so many old people believe the hysteria around the economy rather than realising borrowing money to investing it wisely can make you money. It's what businesses do everyday.
Hopefully people can ignore the eleventy million Tory posters on every stretch of road in the UK farmers fields...
Only one sensible way to vote on June the 8th.
SpeedMattersNot said:
Odds down again for Conservatives today, Paddy Power now showing their lowest odds for a Tory majority at 1/4.
Still positively in favour of them to twin of course, but it's a shame so many old people believe the hysteria around the economy rather than realising borrowing money to investing it wisely can make you money. It's what businesses do everyday.
Hopefully people can ignore the eleventy million Tory posters on every stretch of road in the UK farmers fields...
Only one sensible way to vote on June the 8th.
fortunately Still positively in favour of them to twin of course, but it's a shame so many old people believe the hysteria around the economy rather than realising borrowing money to investing it wisely can make you money. It's what businesses do everyday.
Hopefully people can ignore the eleventy million Tory posters on every stretch of road in the UK farmers fields...
Only one sensible way to vote on June the 8th.
"older people" remember us having to go to the IMF just borrowing money to invest.
Older people don't want to saddle young people with massive debts that will take generations to pay off .
Matt.. said:
ash73 said:
Haven't bothered paying much attention to this I just assumed it would be a landslide for May, but wtf is going on? Do people seriously think Corbyn would be a good Prime Minister, and that him negotiating our country's future with the EU would be a good idea? It's insane.
Surely people will come to their senses?
STUPID People like promises of free stuff.Surely people will come to their senses?
ash73 said:
Yep, but if Corbyn gets in he will get a crap deal; and everyone will be poorer for the next 50 years, not just the next 5 years. Surely people can see that? Everyone should just put party politics to one side, let the Tories get the best deal possible, then worry about who should actually run the country, once it is our country, in 5 years.
Honestly, people never cease to disappoint me.
I don't want to get melodramatic. (maybe just very concerned!) Honestly, people never cease to disappoint me.
But as a Proud Englishman who voted to Leave the EU. I've actually been thinking for the first time in my life.
"If Corbyn got in and the country WILL be ruined. Where could I emigrate to?" (Germany and Switzerland are the current favs
Japan would be brilliant, but I'm not sure on the lingo 
)I doubt I will, but even when Blair won, although I didn't agree with a lot of what he said, I didn't think he'd smash the UK to pieces! It's a bit troubling
Come on, out with it. You want Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister?
Joke.
Joke.
SpeedMattersNot said:
Odds down again for Conservatives today, Paddy Power now showing their lowest odds for a Tory majority at 1/4.
Still positively in favour of them to twin of course, but it's a shame so many old people believe the hysteria around the economy rather than realising borrowing money to investing it wisely can make you money. It's what businesses do everyday.
Hopefully people can ignore the eleventy million Tory posters on every stretch of road in the UK farmers fields...
Only one sensible way to vote on June the 8th.
Still positively in favour of them to twin of course, but it's a shame so many old people believe the hysteria around the economy rather than realising borrowing money to investing it wisely can make you money. It's what businesses do everyday.
Hopefully people can ignore the eleventy million Tory posters on every stretch of road in the UK farmers fields...
Only one sensible way to vote on June the 8th.
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