Welsh lockdown

[phil_cardiff]

Vanden Saab said:

phil_cardiff said:

MG CHRIS said:

Usual phil blaming wales problems on someone else always the common theme when critisim of anything from the wag through health education or economy its always the fault of Westminster. Yes most are well aware of the failure of track and trace but the welsh firebreak was nothing to do with that more drakeford playing politics.
As for failure phw are still having large lags in reporting data 37 deaths got added one day that were over a 17 day period how do you miss 17 days of data and as for case numbers that's been a mess for a while. Also the phw updates are full of bugs and errors . Also we shouldn't forget the largest health board in north wales being in special measures for 5 years under drakeford watch it always interesting you never mention that.


Back to the lockdown been in work this week yes the traffic is lower because schools are closed but its nowhere near down to the levels back in may when I went back to work also way more shops/fast food/companies open this time round time will tell but I don't believe numbers of cases will drop at all and by the looks of them are increasing atm. Also very few cops around and deffenitly no check points to check journeys between county lines and im going through 3 every day. Im also hearing more people becoming increasingly distrustful of the firebreak and of the wag/drakeford they are running a fine line.

It's a pretty simple concept. You won't need lockdowns if you have effective track and trace.

Still, looking forward to the criticism of Boris commencing soon.

The Welsh Conservatives have gone very quiet. As have those who said Drakeford was only using the lockdown to score political points.

Oh well.

Tell that to the Germans. https://www.ft.com/content/825a9d60-f68b-4a1a-8307...
The only successful track and trace is in places like South Korea where they use methods like forced quarantine, checking phone GPS and credit card transactions that would not be possible in a western country.

I don't subscribe to the FT, what does it say?

[ATG]

Lord.Vader said:

How’s that then?

I’ve been out to the pub, house parties, on the bikes, restaurants, essentially carried on as normal since March, still just the one person who tested positive around two weeks ago, my wife went for dinner with her on the Sunday, indoors and despite sharing food / drinks. etc, my wife’s test was negative and the other girl tested positive on the Monday.

I’m early 30’s, friends are 25-35.

I’ll take my chances thanks, you do as you see fit.

Yeah, you do what you want and fk everyone else. Idiot.

[anonymous-user]

How am I an idiot? Have I caught Covid? Have any of my friends or family caught COVID? No. (My mother is a ‘front-line’ NHS worker, it’s never been quieter.

You continue to believe what the government is telling you and destroying the economy of the country, smart idea, stay at home, stay safe and never mind anyone else’s future.

The average age of COVID death is higher than the average life expectancy of the UK! But let’s keep the children off school and stop perfectly for and healthily people working and paying for them to have 6 months off.

I’ll continue to spend my money, keep working and hope that my small contribution keeps someone in a job or helps someone pay their bills to keep food on their families table and a roof over their head.

Also, everything I’ve done has been within the rules, bar one or two house parties with more than the recommended amount of people, although as it was during the summer then mainly we were outside.

If the pubs / restaurants weren’t open I couldn’t go, obviously.

‘Adults’ like you are pathetic, you can still live a normal life and abide by the lockdown rules without wrapping yourselves up in cotton wool.

Edited by Lord.Vader on Sunday 1st November 10:15

[swisstoni]

Govt is ploughing the economy into the ground and making themselves very unpopular for what then?

[MG CHRIS]

Phil the reason you wont see people blaming boris is because this is a thread for wales drakeford is the leader of wales and decided on this firebreak and the farce of the non essential items. Not forgetting the cover up of the resilance fund for business in wales has been a complete farce many business haven't been able to get much needed funds from the wag which was promised.

But yea keep on blaming boris if that what makes you feel better.

Oh and there is a long running thread on boris if that's what takes you fancy but this one is about wales/welsh labour/lockdown/drakeford.

[Vanden Saab]

phil_cardiff said:

Vanden Saab said:

phil_cardiff said:

MG CHRIS said:

Usual phil blaming wales problems on someone else always the common theme when critisim of anything from the wag through health education or economy its always the fault of Westminster. Yes most are well aware of the failure of track and trace but the welsh firebreak was nothing to do with that more drakeford playing politics.
As for failure phw are still having large lags in reporting data 37 deaths got added one day that were over a 17 day period how do you miss 17 days of data and as for case numbers that's been a mess for a while. Also the phw updates are full of bugs and errors . Also we shouldn't forget the largest health board in north wales being in special measures for 5 years under drakeford watch it always interesting you never mention that.


Back to the lockdown been in work this week yes the traffic is lower because schools are closed but its nowhere near down to the levels back in may when I went back to work also way more shops/fast food/companies open this time round time will tell but I don't believe numbers of cases will drop at all and by the looks of them are increasing atm. Also very few cops around and deffenitly no check points to check journeys between county lines and im going through 3 every day. Im also hearing more people becoming increasingly distrustful of the firebreak and of the wag/drakeford they are running a fine line.

It's a pretty simple concept. You won't need lockdowns if you have effective track and trace.

Still, looking forward to the criticism of Boris commencing soon.

The Welsh Conservatives have gone very quiet. As have those who said Drakeford was only using the lockdown to score political points.

Oh well.

Tell that to the Germans. https://www.ft.com/content/825a9d60-f68b-4a1a-8307...
The only successful track and trace is in places like South Korea where they use methods like forced quarantine, checking phone GPS and credit card transactions that would not be possible in a western country.

I don't subscribe to the FT, what does it say?

Go in private and you can read it but.

FT said:

Steffen Seibert, Ms Merkel’s spokesman, described the situation in the starkest of terms on Monday: there had been a “drastic increase” in new infections, the proportion of cases among the elderly population was growing, and hospitals and intensive care wards were filling up with Covid-19 patients. “In many communities it is no longer possible to do proper contact-tracing,” he said. “The infection numbers are just too high.”
As a result, some city governments are radically changing their strategies. Officials in Berlin, one of the worst coronavirus hotspots in the country, said last week that they would now leave it up to infected individuals to self-isolate and inform all those they had come into contact with to get tested — the job that used to lie with the health authorities

As they did cope in the initial wave we can assume that this time the numbers are a fair bit worse. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

[anonymous-user]

Ultimately, the virus isn’t going anywhere, all lockdowns are doing is kicking the can down the road.

We need to learn to live with the virus and adapt our everyday life to social distancing, masks, etc.

The longer we wait the greater the economic damage.

[Escy]

Lord.Vader said:

We need to learn to live with the virus and adapt our everyday life to social distancing, masks, etc.

How about we all do that and you crack on as normal having house parties with your mates?

[phil_cardiff]

Vanden Saab said:

phil_cardiff said:

Vanden Saab said:

phil_cardiff said:

MG CHRIS said:

Usual phil blaming wales problems on someone else always the common theme when critisim of anything from the wag through health education or economy its always the fault of Westminster. Yes most are well aware of the failure of track and trace but the welsh firebreak was nothing to do with that more drakeford playing politics.
As for failure phw are still having large lags in reporting data 37 deaths got added one day that were over a 17 day period how do you miss 17 days of data and as for case numbers that's been a mess for a while. Also the phw updates are full of bugs and errors . Also we shouldn't forget the largest health board in north wales being in special measures for 5 years under drakeford watch it always interesting you never mention that.


Back to the lockdown been in work this week yes the traffic is lower because schools are closed but its nowhere near down to the levels back in may when I went back to work also way more shops/fast food/companies open this time round time will tell but I don't believe numbers of cases will drop at all and by the looks of them are increasing atm. Also very few cops around and deffenitly no check points to check journeys between county lines and im going through 3 every day. Im also hearing more people becoming increasingly distrustful of the firebreak and of the wag/drakeford they are running a fine line.

It's a pretty simple concept. You won't need lockdowns if you have effective track and trace.

Still, looking forward to the criticism of Boris commencing soon.

The Welsh Conservatives have gone very quiet. As have those who said Drakeford was only using the lockdown to score political points.

Oh well.

Tell that to the Germans. https://www.ft.com/content/825a9d60-f68b-4a1a-8307...
The only successful track and trace is in places like South Korea where they use methods like forced quarantine, checking phone GPS and credit card transactions that would not be possible in a western country.

I don't subscribe to the FT, what does it say?

Go in private and you can read it but.

FT said:

Steffen Seibert, Ms Merkel’s spokesman, described the situation in the starkest of terms on Monday: there had been a “drastic increase” in new infections, the proportion of cases among the elderly population was growing, and hospitals and intensive care wards were filling up with Covid-19 patients. “In many communities it is no longer possible to do proper contact-tracing,” he said. “The infection numbers are just too high.”
As a result, some city governments are radically changing their strategies. Officials in Berlin, one of the worst coronavirus hotspots in the country, said last week that they would now leave it up to infected individuals to self-isolate and inform all those they had come into contact with to get tested — the job that used to lie with the health authorities

As they did cope in the initial wave we can assume that this time the numbers are a fair bit worse. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

Interesting reading, and not in a good way.

Talking to my Australian mate this morning. He attributes their success to locking down borders (international and state) and a very effective track and trace system.

Bit apples and oranges but you can't help but wonder what an island nation might have done differently.

[swisstoni]

I have a feeling that when all this is over, every country will have been hit as hard as the other.

Britain was hit hard early and we had to listen about how clever Sweden was.
Now things don’t look too good for Sweden and Germany.

[Noodle1982]

ATG said:

Lord.Vader said:

How’s that then?

I’ve been out to the pub, house parties, on the bikes, restaurants, essentially carried on as normal since March, still just the one person who tested positive around two weeks ago, my wife went for dinner with her on the Sunday, indoors and despite sharing food / drinks. etc, my wife’s test was negative and the other girl tested positive on the Monday.

I’m early 30’s, friends are 25-35.

I’ll take my chances thanks, you do as you see fit.

Yeah, you do what you want and fk everyone else. Idiot.

I'd have a guess that I come into contact with a lot more people each day than L.Vador. currently working with approx 200 people.

Am I an idiot or is it ok because it's for work?

[Jinx]

swisstoni said:

I have a feeling that when all this is over, every country will have been hit as hard as the other.

Britain was hit hard early and we had to listen about how clever Sweden was.
Now things don’t look too good for Sweden and Germany.

Sweden 124,355 cases 5,923 deaths - daily cases 3000, deaths 4?

Still looking better than the UK.

[Daveb257]

phil_cardiff said:

Evanivitch said:

phil_cardiff said:

Blaming the behaviour of people whilst ignoring the spectacularly unsuccessful national lead track and trace programme is an interesting take on things.

Anyway, I see England may well have a four week lockdown from next Wednesday. Or are the Westminster government testing public reaction to policies via the press again?

Edited by phil_cardiff on Saturday 31st October 00:46

Welsh track and trace has been very effective...

Local tracing efforts, across England and Wales, are outperforming the national system aren't they?

Yes to the last bit, I do wish the MSM a would differentiate between the two models when battering the “track” & trace system, maybe even get the name correct would be a start

[warch]

phil_cardiff said:

Talking to my Australian mate this morning. He attributes their success to locking down borders (international and state) and a very effective track and trace system.

Bit apples and oranges but you can't help but wonder what an island nation might have done differently.

Australia and New Zealand are very large, sparsely populated rather out of the way countries with strict entry requirements even outside of the current situation. The main population centres are quite well separated too with relatively low population density. In that respect it isn't easy to compare the UK to either of our antipodean chums.

They also love to talk up what a good job they're doing, the media down under are loving that we in the UK are apparently faring so badly. My wife's sister thinks its like a warzone over here, because that's how the media have portrayed it.

[swisstoni]

Jinx said:

swisstoni said:

I have a feeling that when all this is over, every country will have been hit as hard as the other.

Britain was hit hard early and we had to listen about how clever Sweden was.
Now things don’t look too good for Sweden and Germany.

Sweden 124,355 cases 5,923 deaths - daily cases 3000, deaths 4?

Still looking better than the UK.

Let’s see how it goes.

[Rh14n]

Escy said:

Lord.Vader said:

We need to learn to live with the virus and adapt our everyday life to social distancing, masks, etc.

How about we all do that and you crack on as normal having house parties with your mates?

And don't forget to pass it on to your mother who works in 'front-line NHS' so she, in turn can pass it on to her vulnerable patients.

[anonymous-user]

Noodle1982 said:

I'd have a guess that I come into contact with a lot more people each day than L.Vador. currently working with approx 200 people.

Am I an idiot or is it ok because it's for work?

Don’t talk nonsense, everyone knows the virus doesn’t spread between 09:00 - 17:30.

Just like the lads on the shop floor in work, around 5000 of them working together every day safely with no COVID cases.

But no no, a house party with 20 people ... or the pub packed full of strangers, that’s all fine.

Sorry Rh14n, did I say I’d seen my mum or been anywhere near her? You know what they say about assuming ... you can apologies when you are ready.

[Jinx]

swisstoni said:

Let’s see how it goes.

They are doing it without all the restrictions though so even if they end up as bad as the UK case/death wise - they did it without the extra health issues we are just kicking down the road.

[phil_cardiff]

warch said:

phil_cardiff said:

Talking to my Australian mate this morning. He attributes their success to locking down borders (international and state) and a very effective track and trace system.

Bit apples and oranges but you can't help but wonder what an island nation might have done differently.

Australia and New Zealand are very large, sparsely populated rather out of the way countries with strict entry requirements even outside of the current situation. The main population centres are quite well separated too with relatively low population density. In that respect it isn't easy to compare the UK to either of our antipodean chums.

They also love to talk up what a good job they're doing, the media down under are loving that we in the UK are apparently faring so badly. My wife's sister thinks its like a warzone over here, because that's how the media have portrayed it.

Hence me saying apples and oranges. But I do wonder why 'firebreaks' etc don't include foreign travel.

[BoRED S2upid]

Jinx said:

Sweden 124,355 cases 5,923 deaths - daily cases 3000, deaths 4?

Still looking better than the UK.

Population of Sweden 10m a lot more spread out than the U.K. can’t really compare can you.