First transgender athlete to compete at Olympics
Discussion
ZedLeg said:
It’s entirely right to call transphobes transphobic.
It’s another example of people being expected to be polite and reasonable in the face of people who don’t want them to exist.
You’re right that it isn’t a war, it’s a one sided attack on people just trying to live their lives.
“Don’t want them to exist” why are transactivists so hyperbolic and melodramatic?It’s another example of people being expected to be polite and reasonable in the face of people who don’t want them to exist.
You’re right that it isn’t a war, it’s a one sided attack on people just trying to live their lives.
I’m surprised you haven’t accused people questioning this athlete of “literal violence “…
Iwantafusca said:
ZedLeg said:
The UK is at the centre of an international network of anti trans campaigners. People like Posie Parker have been meeting up with christian far right groups in the US to discuss their common interests in attacking members of the LGBT+ community.
There's also the large number of well loved british celebrities that can't help but show their support for the "gender critical" movement.
Perhaps a lot of the people in this country aren't as liberal and progressive as you'd like to think they are.
Is this as well as the international league of lesbians that a mad transactivist was shouting about ?There's also the large number of well loved british celebrities that can't help but show their support for the "gender critical" movement.
Perhaps a lot of the people in this country aren't as liberal and progressive as you'd like to think they are.
It’s funny how the allegations have went from TRANSPHOBES ! to FAR RIGHT CHRISTIANS! to ITS LIKE ANTI SEMITISM !
Absolutely pathetic and with no foundation. Misogynistic and narcissistic individuals aplenty in the trans movement , but “be kind” ?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/new...
https://globalcomment.com/feminist-transphobia-and...
Feel free to keep calling me a misogynist though. It just proves me right.
p2c said:
gregs656 said:
I will rephrase:
The questions would be, in your opinion: Is Laurel competing in the Olympics this year likely to help or hinder future trans athletes over the short to medium term? Do you think Laurel is the ideal person to expose the world to trans athletes? And do you think it is likely to be a PR disaster - as in, is it going to generate more negative or positive response from the worlds press, and social media?
It doesn't matter, its clear from this thread that no trans athlete would be acceptable. It's a shame Chris Mosier was injured in trials though, his presence also would have been great support to Laurel competing rather than her being alone.The questions would be, in your opinion: Is Laurel competing in the Olympics this year likely to help or hinder future trans athletes over the short to medium term? Do you think Laurel is the ideal person to expose the world to trans athletes? And do you think it is likely to be a PR disaster - as in, is it going to generate more negative or positive response from the worlds press, and social media?
Will it be a PR disaster, of coarse it will. Trans people still breathing is a PR disaster, It won't matter what we do, there will be negative press about us, may as well get it over and done with and we don't get to choose those who step out into the light, I have great respect for her, its going to be a s
tfest for the next month or so, but that's nothing new, as I said previous, trans people will be under attack in the press, social media, government and courts tomorrow no matter what, It makes no odds at this point what in particular its about.But apart from that I see no differences that should matter.
gregs656 said:
p2c said:
Has English rugby explained how a 91kg 171cm skilled trans woman has different laws of physics to a 91kg 171cm skilled cis women?
Come on, body composition matters. Don't pretend you don't know this.There are some sports in which this is more important than just unfairness.
Pugaris said:
gregs656 said:
p2c said:
Has English rugby explained how a 91kg 171cm skilled trans woman has different laws of physics to a 91kg 171cm skilled cis women?
Come on, body composition matters. Don't pretend you don't know this.There are some sports in which this is more important than just unfairness.
Iwantafusca said:
p2c said:
Emma Hilton who was one of the key researchers for world rugby policy is a founding member of a gender critical lobby group that hound any organisation with trans inclusion policies or statements, are campaigning to shut down stonewall because of their trans inclusion, have written to every stonewall diversity champion calling for them to drop stonewall over their trans inclusion and have the ear of government and EHRC
As for the so called research World rugby conducted, It involved or studied the performance of zero elite trans athletes.
Dr Emma Hilton the development biologist? Misogynistic much eh ?As for the so called research World rugby conducted, It involved or studied the performance of zero elite trans athletes.
ZedLeg said:
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/11/14/anti-trans-l...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/new...
https://globalcomment.com/feminist-transphobia-and...
Feel free to keep calling me a misogynist though. It just proves me right.
So let me see , a homophobic man gives support to “feminist “ (his words) group of lesbians , and they have no contact or interaction with him and that’s a link ? Btw pink news is hardly a news source. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/new...
https://globalcomment.com/feminist-transphobia-and...
Feel free to keep calling me a misogynist though. It just proves me right.
The othe two are about posie parker who i believe is not in charge of women , lesbians , gender critical people etc etc ?
What’s your point ?
You are a misogynist if you support men in women’s spheres of life.
95% of men don’t think transwomen are women either.
Iwantafusca said:
ZedLeg said:
It’s entirely right to call transphobes transphobic.
It’s another example of people being expected to be polite and reasonable in the face of people who don’t want them to exist.
You’re right that it isn’t a war, it’s a one sided attack on people just trying to live their lives.
“Don’t want them to exist” why are transactivists so hyperbolic and melodramatic?It’s another example of people being expected to be polite and reasonable in the face of people who don’t want them to exist.
You’re right that it isn’t a war, it’s a one sided attack on people just trying to live their lives.
…
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/mps-urged-anti-trans-wom...
p2c said:
Iwantafusca said:
p2c said:
Emma Hilton who was one of the key researchers for world rugby policy is a founding member of a gender critical lobby group that hound any organisation with trans inclusion policies or statements, are campaigning to shut down stonewall because of their trans inclusion, have written to every stonewall diversity champion calling for them to drop stonewall over their trans inclusion and have the ear of government and EHRC
As for the so called research World rugby conducted, It involved or studied the performance of zero elite trans athletes.
Dr Emma Hilton the development biologist? Misogynistic much eh ?As for the so called research World rugby conducted, It involved or studied the performance of zero elite trans athletes.
Sex matters, in life and in law. It shouldn’t take courage to say so.”
I think most people will agree with their aim , thankfully.
Iwantafusca said:
ZedLeg said:
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/11/14/anti-trans-l...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/new...
https://globalcomment.com/feminist-transphobia-and...
Feel free to keep calling me a misogynist though. It just proves me right.
So let me see , a homophobic man gives support to “feminist “ (his words) group of lesbians , and they have no contact or interaction with him and that’s a link ? Btw pink news is hardly a news source. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/new...
https://globalcomment.com/feminist-transphobia-and...
Feel free to keep calling me a misogynist though. It just proves me right.
The othe two are about posie parker who i believe is not in charge of women , lesbians , gender critical people etc etc ?
What’s your point ?
You are a misogynist if you support men in women’s spheres of life.
95% of men don’t think transwomen are women either.
chrispmartha said:
Forgive me if i think someone who uses the term ‘trannies’ is being disingenuous when he says he wants trans people to be supported.
You really didn’t get the point of that post did you? You just merrily continued using your slur while being triggered that someone used an equivalent one as an example of how yours come across.Liokault said:
Fundamentally, trans “women” are not women.
Yes, they are men. That’s the whole point of the “trans” bit.Saying they are women is a faith based / religious position. Getting upset with more rational people who don’t share the faith is as silly as getting upset with someone who doesn’t believe in transsubstantiation.
chrispmartha said:
Iwantafusca said:
95% of men don’t think transwomen are women either.
Where have you got that stat from?Gender identity is not the same as Gender even the NHS website uses the former. So while the 95% might be a fictional stat, they logically can't be the same. Doesn't mean they can't be accepted, afforded rights and respect.
Northernboy said:
Yes, they are men. That’s the whole point of the “trans” bit.
Saying they are women is a faith based / religious position. Getting upset with more rational people who don’t share the faith is as silly as getting upset with someone who doesn’t believe in transsubstantiation.
They are trans women, and recognised as such. Saying they are women is a faith based / religious position. Getting upset with more rational people who don’t share the faith is as silly as getting upset with someone who doesn’t believe in transsubstantiation.
p2c said:
Nobody cared about trans people in sport until the heritage foundation in conjunction with a few key gender critical from the UK decided it was the next front they were going to open up against us. Shortly thereafter despite no trans athletes being in any elite competitive position it all blew up. We had no say in it, all trans people can do is defend ourselvs with the knowledge that HRT makes a hell of a difference, one that no cis person can understand as no other groups of healthy people eliminate testosterone from their bodies.
Nor do trans people. They are only required to reduce it, but not to the level of women.The dishonesty you employ is disappointing. If you had a genuine argument you could employ it honestly.
I’m with Caitlin Jenner on this. Presumably you think she’s transphobic for agreeing with me and most others on this?
Northernboy said:
gregs656 said:
They are trans women, and recognised as such.
Yes, trans women are men who live as women. Some people want to claim that they are women, some people also want to claim that they are female.A trans woman is to a woman as a pommel horse is to a horse.
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