Sir Ed Davey and the Post Office scandal

[FiF]

520TORQUES said:

FiF said:

Was talking generalities rather than one specific case.

Whilst Tatford clearly made some mistakes around disclosure of his own which in hindsight he now recognises, suspect that at the time his contacts at the PO were shady as.

It's not one specific case, it's everywhere.

Have you read the piece on tatford? His actions are clear. His hindsight is an exercise in saving his reputation in the light of the evidence.

To repeat, was talking generalities rather than the diabolical POL stshow.

[Mrr T]

520TORQUES said:

Mrr T said:

I am consistently prepare to read the evidence and understand hindsight is not necessarily evidence of wrong doing.

Evidence of wrongdoing is evidence of wrongdoing, and there are thousands of documents and many witness statements and testimonies which provide this evidence.

Depends on your definition of wrongdoing. Acting in an unpleasant and threatening manner. Yes lots of evidence. Acting in a criminal way not really. Based on your list of crimes on your list a couple of days ago you might want to look up a definition of crime.

[Mrr T]

FiF said:

520TORQUES said:

FiF said:

Was talking generalities rather than one specific case.

Whilst Tatford clearly made some mistakes around disclosure of his own which in hindsight he now recognises, suspect that at the time his contacts at the PO were shady as.

It's not one specific case, it's everywhere.

Have you read the piece on tatford? His actions are clear. His hindsight is an exercise in saving his reputation in the light of the evidence.

To repeat, was talking generalities rather than the diabolical POL stshow.

It's actually worth reading to understand some people's inability to be objective.

As a summary it seemed.
1. He pushed the PO to go for a higher charge which resulted in the defendant serving time. With the benefit of hindsight he regrets that. However since the higher charge had been used in other cases I can see why.
2. He requested an expert witness amended his statement to make it stronger. Nothing wrong with that it up to witness to agree or refuse.
3. He seems not to have set out the terms of reference for the expert witness in writing.

Let's see if he referred to the BSB.

[Maxdecel]

It's all about PR - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68222915

[Digga]

Maxdecel said:

It's all about PR - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68222915

In fairness to Davey and also in reference to where this investigation needs to head:

BBC said:

In the note, released to the BBC under Freedom of Information laws, the civil servants advised Sir Ed to "continue to express full confidence in the integrity and robustness of the Horizon system".

What's the betting the snivel serpents avoid the spotlight?

[Maxdecel]

Digga said:

What's the betting the snivel serpents avoid the spotlight?

Well his name's on the list so there may be a trail ! But no I agree, convenient for both parties.

[520TORQUES]

Digga said:

Maxdecel said:

It's all about PR - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68222915

In fairness to Davey and also in reference to where this investigation needs to head:

BBC said:

In the note, released to the BBC under Freedom of Information laws, the civil servants advised Sir Ed to "continue to express full confidence in the integrity and robustness of the Horizon system".

What's the betting the snivel serpents avoid the spotlight?

If being told that doesn't set your alarm bells going in the face of being approached by a group of prosecuted and ruined previously upstanding people headed by a character like Alan Bates, you are asleep, useless and unfit for any senior role.

[Digga]

So, now we hear this: "David Cameron's government knew the Post Office had ditched a secret investigation that might have helped wrongly accused postmasters prove their innocence, the BBC can reveal."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68146054

The plot thickens. Most of us knew it would.

[Blue62]

Digga said:

So, now we hear this: "David Cameron's government knew the Post Office had ditched a secret investigation that might have helped wrongly accused postmasters prove their innocence, the BBC can reveal."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68146054

The plot thickens. Most of us knew it would.

I’ve just posted on the Rishi thread that the whole scandal is quite astonishing, the degree of corruption and cover up in the very highest offices in the land is deeply disturbing. I’m beginning to wonder where it will end.

[Digga]

Blue62 said:

I’ve just posted on the Rishi thread that the whole scandal is quite astonishing, the degree of corruption and cover up in the very highest offices in the land is deeply disturbing. I’m beginning to wonder where it will end.

Thus far, that slimy statue of spam, Cameron, appears to have some distance from the spotlight. Javid was minister in charge and it would seem he was left under the impression the investigation was still ongoing, even though the Post Office had st canned it.

What the BBC article does say is that this is even clearer indication of an attempt to pervert the course of justice by the Post Office.

[Monsterlime]

Paula Vennells has cried at inquiry - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-69042928 Oh poor her. She should be in prison. She was the boss and no idea that the Post Office were bringing their own prosecutions? What utter tosh.

[Phud]

Monsterlime said:

Paula Vennells has cried at inquiry - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-69042928 Oh poor her. She should be in prison. She was the boss and no idea that the Post Office were bringing their own prosecutions? What utter tosh.

Seems she doesn't know much about what she was running.

[Digga]

Phud said:

Monsterlime said:

Paula Vennells has cried at inquiry - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-69042928 Oh poor her. She should be in prison. She was the boss and no idea that the Post Office were bringing their own prosecutions? What utter tosh.

Seems she doesn't know much about what she was running.

You don't really need to when you have an effective monopoly. See the NHS and the blood transfusions news scandal for details.

[shtu]

Phud said:

Seems she doesn't know much about what she was running.

Memory loss, otherwise known as The Sturgeon Defence.

[Langweilig]

Oh dear. Looks like the scuffers will be "feeling a few collars" - says I, optimistically.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67899189#:~:te...

[Downward]

Langweilig said:

Oh dear. Looks like the scuffers will be "feeling a few collars" - says I, optimistically.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67899189#:~:te...

Why’s it taken so long ?
The found evidence that the reports didn’t find any theft by the post staff but told them to plead guilty.

[Langweilig]

Downward said:

Why’s it taken so long ?
The found evidence that the reports didn’t find any theft by the post staff but told them to plead guilty.

From what I heard on Radio 5 Live breakfast show this morning, it could take anything up to two years before anybody's up in front of the beak. I hope it's much sooner.

[Wills2]

Downward said:

Langweilig said:

Oh dear. Looks like the scuffers will be "feeling a few collars" - says I, optimistically.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67899189#:~:te...

Why’s it taken so long ?

Give them a chance, it's the biggest legal scandal in the history of the UK and they've managed to interview 2 people in 4 years so are clearly are "on it" this is high priority stuff.

[119]

Langweilig said:

Oh dear. Looks like the scuffers will be "feeling a few collars" - says I, optimistically.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67899189#:~:te...

Fan-bloody-tastic.

And about time.

[732NM]

Langweilig said:

Oh dear. Looks like the scuffers will be "feeling a few collars" - says I, optimistically.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67899189#:~:te...

That article is dated January immediately after the drama aired.