Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2
Discussion
Efbe said:
AZ - oh dear, i'm not even going down that argument.
What a f
king ridiculous thread.
If this is all the anti-corbyn contingent can come up with, that he is trying to turn our government into mass murderers, then you are idiots.
Why not just hand Corbyn the next election?
You make the classic mistake of believing the individual is responsible for what ultimately ends up as mass murdering/starving of the host population. No, it is the cancerous ideology behind them that is the big problem.What a f
king ridiculous thread.If this is all the anti-corbyn contingent can come up with, that he is trying to turn our government into mass murderers, then you are idiots.
Why not just hand Corbyn the next election?
Please see how Venezuela's faring under the latest incarnation of this ideology.
Is history not taught objectively anymore, do people really not realise just how fragile peaceful civilisations are, and how easily they can descend into utter chaos, it's not fun. This is the ideology that people like Corbyn follow, which always ends in abject poverty (and death) for the many, not the few.
But perhaps next time, it will be different - we are on course of finding that out.
Efbe said:
AZ - oh dear, i'm not even going down that argument.
What a fking ridiculous thread.
If this is all the anti-corbyn contingent can come up with, that he is trying to turn our government into mass murderers, then you are idiots.
Why not just hand Corbyn the next election?
Er, the recent debate in this thread was not about Corbyn. It had (temporarily) morphed into a debate about why communism isn't regarded as being as unacceptable as fascism when, objectively (in terms of the number of people killed), it is as bad (if not worse).What a f
king ridiculous thread.If this is all the anti-corbyn contingent can come up with, that he is trying to turn our government into mass murderers, then you are idiots.
Why not just hand Corbyn the next election?
I don't believe Corbyn claims to be a communist. He claims to be a socialist, AFAIK. I don't think anyone has come up with an argument that socialism is likely to introduce Gulags in the UK any time soon.
Edited by AstonZagato on Monday 19th March 12:15
AstonZagato said:
Er, the recent debate in this thread was not about Corbyn. It had (temporarily) morphed into a debate about why communism isn't regarded as being as unacceptable as fascism when, objectively (in terms of the number of people killed), it is as bad (if not worse).
I don't believe Corbyn claims to be a communist. He claims to be a socialist, AFAIK. I don't think anyone has come up with an argument that socialism is likely to introduce Gulags in the UK any time soon.
Most of the victims of soviet communism didn't die in the gulags but in the famines that were the inevitable result of instituting 'socialist' economic policies instead of policies that worked. The same socialist polices that are causing starvation in Venezuela and which Corbyn etc have said they want adopted in this country. I don't believe Corbyn claims to be a communist. He claims to be a socialist, AFAIK. I don't think anyone has come up with an argument that socialism is likely to introduce Gulags in the UK any time soon.
Dr Jekyll said:
AstonZagato said:
Er, the recent debate in this thread was not about Corbyn. It had (temporarily) morphed into a debate about why communism isn't regarded as being as unacceptable as fascism when, objectively (in terms of the number of people killed), it is as bad (if not worse).
I don't believe Corbyn claims to be a communist. He claims to be a socialist, AFAIK. I don't think anyone has come up with an argument that socialism is likely to introduce Gulags in the UK any time soon.
Most of the victims of soviet communism didn't die in the gulags but in the famines that were the inevitable result of instituting 'socialist' economic policies instead of policies that worked. The same socialist polices that are causing starvation in Venezuela and which Corbyn etc have said they want adopted in this country. I don't believe Corbyn claims to be a communist. He claims to be a socialist, AFAIK. I don't think anyone has come up with an argument that socialism is likely to introduce Gulags in the UK any time soon.
Efbe said:
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If this is all the anti-corbyn contingent can come up with, that he is trying to turn our government into mass murderers, then you are idiots.
No one has said that. If you can't see the parallels between supporters and apologists for the far right and far left then you are on thin ice calling anyone an idiot.If this is all the anti-corbyn contingent can come up with, that he is trying to turn our government into mass murderers, then you are idiots.
AstonZagato said:
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I don't believe Corbyn claims to be a communist...
He and his acolytes regularly express their admiration for murderous communist regimes, their leaders and ideologies; idiotic sentiments which for some reason we tolerate, which if expressed about fascists would, rightly, end a political career in a heartbeat. That some can't apparently appreciate the parallel is worrying.I don't believe Corbyn claims to be a communist...
kiethton said:
Somebody feed me plenty of beer, save me an area somewhere near the front and provide numerous empty cups and I'm sure I could give him (and the other crustys near the front) a bloody good shower!
Awaits confirmation of Simply Red, Billy Bragg, Paul Weller, Morrissey and The Communards
Gargamel said:
kiethton said:
Somebody feed me plenty of beer, save me an area somewhere near the front and provide numerous empty cups and I'm sure I could give him (and the other crustys near the front) a bloody good shower!
Awaits confirmation of Simply Red, Billy Bragg, Paul Weller, Morrissey and The Communards
The Dangerous Elk said:
Gargamel said:
kiethton said:
Somebody feed me plenty of beer, save me an area somewhere near the front and provide numerous empty cups and I'm sure I could give him (and the other crustys near the front) a bloody good shower!
Awaits confirmation of Simply Red, Billy Bragg, Paul Weller, Morrissey and The Communards
Gargamel said:
kiethton said:
Somebody feed me plenty of beer, save me an area somewhere near the front and provide numerous empty cups and I'm sure I could give him (and the other crustys near the front) a bloody good shower!
Awaits confirmation of Simply Red, Billy Bragg, Paul Weller, Morrissey and The Communards
fblm said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
Gargamel said:
kiethton said:
Somebody feed me plenty of beer, save me an area somewhere near the front and provide numerous empty cups and I'm sure I could give him (and the other crustys near the front) a bloody good shower!
Awaits confirmation of Simply Red, Billy Bragg, Paul Weller, Morrissey and The Communards
What I really love about the Wikipedia entry on this is the marvellously understated third paragraph (my bold)
Red Wedge did not have universal support among other left-wing musicians, and some groups such as The Housemartins,[2] Easterhouse and The Redskins[3] rejected involvement and/or criticised the campaign from the Left.
When the general election was called in 1987, Red Wedge also organised a comedy tour featuring Lenny Henry, Ben Elton, Robbie Coltrane, Craig Charles, Phill Jupitus, Mark Miwurdz (Hurst) and Harry Enfield, and another tour by the main musical participants along with The The, Captain Sensible and the Blow Monkeys. The group also published an election pamphlet, Move On Up, with a foreword by Labour leader Neil Kinnock.
After the 1987 election produced a third consecutive Conservative victory, many of the musical collective drifted away. A few further gigs were arranged and the group's magazine Well Red continued, but funding eventually ran out and Red Wedge was formally disbanded in 1990
Gargamel said:
Awaits confirmation of
Simply Red, Billy Bragg, Paul Weller, Morrissey and The Communards
The artistes have stayed with their youthful ideals, but their fans have grown up. Are they aiming to cash-in on the youth movement?Simply Red, Billy Bragg, Paul Weller, Morrissey and The Communards
I liked them all when I was in my teens and 20s. I couldn't care about the politics, as I didn't think it affected me. Now I'm in my 50s, I still like the music, but I won't fund their politics - I have a little more sense now.
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Edited by pingu393 on Monday 19th March 22:33
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