CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 11)
Discussion
BlackTails said:
isaldiri said:
Not exactly very difficult is it?
Knock off 90% of the risk for anyone who has recovered from infection and actually you have the risk of a viral vector clot considerably greater than risk of infection for a heck of a lot of people on top of anyone under 30.
Cherry picking. Full page here: https://wintoncentre.maths.cam.ac.uk/news/communic...Knock off 90% of the risk for anyone who has recovered from infection and actually you have the risk of a viral vector clot considerably greater than risk of infection for a heck of a lot of people on top of anyone under 30.
Tony427 said:
Am I also correct in thinking that we have borrowed this huge amount of money at a time of extremely low interest rates.
All we need is interest rates to rise and the manure hits the spreader. Or as bonds mature the replacement borrowing is more expensive.
In the news this morning was the fact that that there is significant increases in commodity costs coming down the track. I've already been warned by my suppliers that chemicals, dyes, and even cardboard is going to increase in price, which means my prices will be going up and I will have to pass these increases onto my customers. As will every other industry. Container prices have almost trebled in some instances
In short, although inflation is great at reducing the debt burden when in normal times, inflation is a huge problem when it pushes up interest rates and you are in hock up to your eyeballs. Like the UK is now.
Add in an inflationary spiral caused by the "coiled spring" of demand and excess cash in peoples pockets, then add in increased costs because of Green Issues ( eg from 1st June I'll have to pay £8 to drive into Brum centre) and we could have the perfect storm.
Yes. Keep your cash in real assets. Rolexes and houses ideally. Not in the bank. All we need is interest rates to rise and the manure hits the spreader. Or as bonds mature the replacement borrowing is more expensive.
In the news this morning was the fact that that there is significant increases in commodity costs coming down the track. I've already been warned by my suppliers that chemicals, dyes, and even cardboard is going to increase in price, which means my prices will be going up and I will have to pass these increases onto my customers. As will every other industry. Container prices have almost trebled in some instances
In short, although inflation is great at reducing the debt burden when in normal times, inflation is a huge problem when it pushes up interest rates and you are in hock up to your eyeballs. Like the UK is now.
Add in an inflationary spiral caused by the "coiled spring" of demand and excess cash in peoples pockets, then add in increased costs because of Green Issues ( eg from 1st June I'll have to pay £8 to drive into Brum centre) and we could have the perfect storm.
Edited by Tony427 on Monday 26th April 17:53
Cardboard already very much in shortage. Building materials. The list is widening.
tangerine_sedge said:
gizlaroc said:
None of us know what is going on. Anyone who says they do is a t
t, no matter which angle they are coming from.
And yet you have loads of posts in this thread repeating crap you've found in the lower reaches of the interwebs all proclaiming to SpEak THe TrUTh!t, no matter which angle they are coming from. I simply don't believe that the death rate is anything close to what they are saying.
There was 38,000,000 million flu cases in the states for the flu season of 2019/20 and for 2020/21 this had dropped to 1,822 tells me that most of these so called Covid cases are just flu. In fact Covid is just another Influenza type infection, sure it maybe deadly for many, but so are new flu strains.
I'm not blaming the government for locking down last year, with the images we were seeing with people dying on the streets in Wuhan they had to do something.
But the figures are BS, the PCR tests are BS, and the fact we are still locked down is BS.
And to be vaccinating everyone where there is a survival rate is over 99% for those over 75 years old, who actually get Covid, is definitely BS.
We seem to have given up on everyone else, that is why I'm now getting so annoyed.
My wife's father, is now dead because his hospital appointments were cancelled. Died September.
My father spent from last April trying to get to see the doctor, took himself to A&E in September as still couldn't get an appointment with the Doctors even then. Turns out he has lung cancer and missed it by a couple of months.
My daughter's husband's uncle missed cancer treatment and died a few weeks back, in his early 50's.
And yet we seem to only give a f
k about Covid. Why?
We have businesses collapsing all over the country, we have suicide rates going through the roof, my wife sits on a national autism board for children and some of the stories she hears are heartbreaking.
We have head teachers telling us that many of the girls now have eating disorders and self harming.
We have people coming into our shop who look broken, they have been scared to death, and feel like they have been duped.
Why?
So yeah, I have been doing as much research as possible, as it is smelling a bit fishy to me.
I will post stuff up, I want people's thoughts on what others are saying. If you're happy to simply take in everything the government and MSM tell you without asking questions then great, but I disagree with some of the things they are doing and think we will seriously regret them and look back in horror.
What do you class as the "lower reaches of the internet"?
Most of the stuff I have found is simply not one of the first 5 results on a google search, but is being discussed at length on twitter etc.
I also have some good mates in the NHS who seem to think this is all a sham too, not saying there is not an issue, but have no idea why we are responding like we are.
I'm not saying there isn't a bad epidemic here, but the reaction, the "let's vaccinate everyone" mentality is just bizarre, and when things seem bizarre the reality is often much weirder.
SCEtoAUX said:
Six deaths yesterday, six, against a backdrop of 300-400 from heart disease, 300-400 from cancer, 300-400 from Alzheimers and a few hundred more to bring us up to the daily average of 1,500.
There is only one possible question here. Why are there any restrictions on our lives whatsover?
Edited to add that six deaths is just over half the number that kill themselves every single day of the year.
Yes. Even if you accept their VOC justification, then the prevalence in the ONS study is falling very slowly but with significant uncertainty, and if we consider the low absolute levels now and recognise the seasonal tailwind, it's still far from clear that the absolute levels in June will be any or much lower than they are now. There is only one possible question here. Why are there any restrictions on our lives whatsover?
Edited to add that six deaths is just over half the number that kill themselves every single day of the year.
Edited by SCEtoAUX on Monday 26th April 17:39
What is farcical is they haven't said what an acceptable prevalence is for X,Y, and Z to happen. That, as much as anything, shows they aren't as omniscient as the Govt. shills on this thread would have us believe.
gizlaroc said:
tangerine_sedge said:
gizlaroc said:
None of us know what is going on. Anyone who says they do is a tt, no matter which angle they are coming from.
And yet you have loads of posts in this thread repeating crap you've found in the lower reaches of the interwebs all proclaiming to SpEak THe TrUTh!t, no matter which angle they are coming from. I simply don't believe that the death rate is anything close to what they are saying.
There was 38,000,000 million flu cases in the states for the flu season of 2019/20 and for 2020/21 this had dropped to 1,822 tells me that most of these so called Covid cases are just flu. In fact Covid is just another Influenza type infection, sure it maybe deadly for many, but so are new flu strains.
I'm not blaming the government for locking down last year, with the images we were seeing with people dying on the streets in Wuhan they had to do something.
But the figures are BS, the PCR tests are BS, and the fact we are still locked down is BS.
And to be vaccinating everyone where there is a survival rate is over 99% for those over 75 years old, who actually get Covid, is definitely BS.
We seem to have given up on everyone else, that is why I'm now getting so annoyed.
My wife's father, is now dead because his hospital appointments were cancelled. Died September.
My father spent from last April trying to get to see the doctor, took himself to A&E in September as still couldn't get an appointment with the Doctors even then. Turns out he has lung cancer and missed it by a couple of months.
My daughter's husband's uncle missed cancer treatment and died a few weeks back, in his early 50's.
And yet we seem to only give a f
k about Covid. Why?
We have businesses collapsing all over the country, we have suicide rates going through the roof, my wife sits on a national autism board for children and some of the stories she hears are heartbreaking.
We have head teachers telling us that many of the girls now have eating disorders and self harming.
We have people coming into our shop who look broken, they have been scared to death, and feel like they have been duped.
Why?
So yeah, I have been doing as much research as possible, as it is smelling a bit fishy to me.
I will post stuff up, I want people's thoughts on what others are saying. If you're happy to simply take in everything the government and MSM tell you without asking questions then great, but I disagree with some of the things they are doing and think we will seriously regret them and look back in horror.
What do you class as the "lower reaches of the internet"?
Most of the stuff I have found is simply not one of the first 5 results on a google search, but is being discussed at length on twitter etc.
I also have some good mates in the NHS who seem to think this is all a sham too, not saying there is not an issue, but have no idea why we are responding like we are.
I'm not saying there isn't a bad epidemic here, but the reaction, the "let's vaccinate everyone" mentality is just bizarre, and when things seem bizarre the reality is often much weirder.
gizlaroc said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Booker Prize for Fiction entry?
Go on then. Which bit? Let's see how much of a
you really are. . How very erudite.I think if my father was ill and couldn't get an appointment to see his GP in at least 5 months of continually trying I'd have done something about about it - not been a
and used it as headline news on PH to support my wacky beliefs. Still, we all have different priorities.So single figure death numbers last two days, what's gonna change/improve in the next month...that's about as good as its gonna get surely. Less than half a % of normal daily deaths, could easily bring the whole timetable forward by three weeks at this point anyone care to argue otherwise?
Interesting
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
Especially 32
The resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths is dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine, comprising around 60% and 70% of the wave respectively. This can be attributed to the high levels of uptake in the most at-risk age groups, such that immunisation failures account for more serious illness than unvaccinated individuals.
Of course they go on to explain that dying with the vaccine is not the same as dying of the vaccine. What a foolish notion that would be!
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
Especially 32
The resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths is dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine, comprising around 60% and 70% of the wave respectively. This can be attributed to the high levels of uptake in the most at-risk age groups, such that immunisation failures account for more serious illness than unvaccinated individuals.
Of course they go on to explain that dying with the vaccine is not the same as dying of the vaccine. What a foolish notion that would be!
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Interesting
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
Especially 32
The resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths is dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine, comprising around 60% and 70% of the wave respectively. This can be attributed to the high levels of uptake in the most at-risk age groups, such that immunisation failures account for more serious illness than unvaccinated individuals.
Of course they go on to explain that dying with the vaccine is not the same as dying of the vaccine. What a foolish notion that would be!
What resurgence? Figures have been on a constant and fairly speedy downward trend.https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
Especially 32
The resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths is dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine, comprising around 60% and 70% of the wave respectively. This can be attributed to the high levels of uptake in the most at-risk age groups, such that immunisation failures account for more serious illness than unvaccinated individuals.
Of course they go on to explain that dying with the vaccine is not the same as dying of the vaccine. What a foolish notion that would be!
Roman Rhodes said:
Calling someone a . How very erudite.
I think if my father was ill and couldn't get an appointment to see his GP in at least 5 months of continually trying I'd have done something about about it - not been a and used it as headline news on PH to support my wacky beliefs. Still, we all have different priorities.
I don't use that word very often. . How very erudite.I think if my father was ill and couldn't get an appointment to see his GP in at least 5 months of continually trying I'd have done something about about it - not been a
and used it as headline news on PH to support my wacky beliefs. Still, we all have different priorities.But when it comes to you pulling me up on a reply as to why I am wondering what the hell we are playing at because we have family who have really suffered then you deserve it.
I didn't even know he was trying to get an appointment till I got a call from my mum asking to pick her up from the hospital as they were keeping him in.
He is/was a healthy 75 year old bloke as far as I knew.
I said at the time the loss of my father in law, a good mate who I saw more often than most of my mates as we worked on cars together all the time, and then my old man being diagnosed with lung cancer in a matter of weeks, was what got me starting to really question what we were up to.
I was responding to why I am suspect of things going on. I was explaining why, and you felt the need to mock my father in law dying and my father being diagnosed late with lung cancer? Classy.
soofsayer said:
So how do you two (rr and gnomeo) explain the disappearance of flu in 2020? It more or less vanished from all healthcare statistics.
What happened that makes you so sure it did?
Why should I know or care for that matter.What happened that makes you so sure it did?
Maybe as Flu is passed person to person, less personal contact means less flu.
I did have my Flu jab which I've done for the last few years mainly to appease my GP practice. I am one of those resilient types that just do not get ill save for self inflicted sports injuries.
Iv'e had both AZ with zero side effects.
For my now, Eu based business i find workarounds and i can't deny that Covid has cost me a few bob. Think nice Ferrari as this is a car forum.
I try not to wallow in self pity and group hysteria.
Glad my Daughter takes after her old man.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Interesting
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
Especially 32
The resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths is dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine, comprising around 60% and 70% of the wave respectively. This can be attributed to the high levels of uptake in the most at-risk age groups, such that immunisation failures account for more serious illness than unvaccinated individuals.
Of course they go on to explain that dying with the vaccine is not the same as dying of the vaccine. What a foolish notion that would be!
There does seem to be a pattern therehttps://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
Especially 32
The resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths is dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine, comprising around 60% and 70% of the wave respectively. This can be attributed to the high levels of uptake in the most at-risk age groups, such that immunisation failures account for more serious illness than unvaccinated individuals.
Of course they go on to explain that dying with the vaccine is not the same as dying of the vaccine. What a foolish notion that would be!
https://twitter.com/RealJoelSmalley/status/1386243...
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