How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 12)

[stongle]

digimeistter said:

crankedup said:

digimeistter said:

Looks like The City is going nowhere else.

One for Strongle and Brooking/NickGnome to debate I would suggest.

Good news though.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-finan...

But the educated remainers told us that ‘The City’ would be fleeing from the U.K. How it would be a cataclysmic event. More verbal garbage exposed for what it was. And still waiting for the emergency budget that George promised.

Crap I forgot Mrr T !

Interesting. If the demise of London is going to be measured in decades, but in the last 11 years we've been to the brink of total economic collapse and Central banks doing a 400% increase in balance sheet; I'd probably suggest "all bets (on London's demise) are off". But lets not let that get in the way of hysteria.

Hopefully, we can continue to diversify our economy so more of UK PLC benefits.

[JNW1]

Earthdweller said:

JNW1 said:

Digga said:

To be totally fair, this incident shows how, culturally, the East and West of the EU are still very, very different. There is no racism in pointing that fact out.

I agree to some extent but let's not forget open and widespread racist chanting at football grounds isn't restricted to Eastern European countries; places like Italy and Spain also have an indifferent recent record in that respect. We're not exactly perfect in the UK either but it feels like large parts of Europe are at least a couple of decades behind us in terms of acknowledging and tackling racism......

I do think that the UK is one of the most inclusive diverse tolerant and least racist places in the world

I think we are although that's not to say racism doesn't still exist in the UK - it does and if I'm honest I think part of our apparent improvement over the last 30 years is perhaps attributable to people becoming better at concealing the racism that's still there (i.e. the racist thought may still exist but things like legislation and peer pressure mean people are now more inclined to bite their lip rather than say or do something racist).

That said, I think there has also been a genuine shift in attitudes in the UK over the last few decades and in that respect I agree we're ahead of most other countries; I'd also say we're streets ahead of most countries in the EU....

[FiF]

Earthdweller said:

JNW1 said:

Digga said:

To be totally fair, this incident shows how, culturally, the East and West of the EU are still very, very different. There is no racism in pointing that fact out.

I agree to some extent but let's not forget open and widespread racist chanting at football grounds isn't restricted to Eastern European countries; places like Italy and Spain also have an indifferent recent record in that respect. We're not exactly perfect in the UK either but it feels like large parts of Europe are at least a couple of decades behind us in terms of acknowledging and tackling racism......

I do think that the UK is one of the most inclusive diverse tolerant and least racist places in the world

Indeed, variousm academic studies and surveys have shown that despite dedicated twittering to the contrary that the UK is the most inclusive and tolerant nation. One survey showed it to be second only to Sweden but even that nation is faltering in light of recent years. Indeed personal experience has demonstrated that Sweden is changing, though not sure how much of that is down to attitudes of 1st and 2nd generation incomers as opposed to those exclusively natural born Swedes.

[Tuna]

FiF said:

Indeed, variousm academic studies and surveys have shown that despite dedicated twittering to the contrary that the UK is the most inclusive and tolerant nation. One survey showed it to be second only to Sweden but even that nation is faltering in light of recent years. Indeed personal experience has demonstrated that Sweden is changing, though not sure how much of that is down to attitudes of 1st and 2nd generation incomers as opposed to those exclusively natural born Swedes.

It's unfortunate that the political narrative being spun by certain parties prevents this from being recognised. The struggle against racism and division has been part of British society for generations. Pretending otherwise is harmful.

[DeepEnd]

Good to see some £25ers speaking out against racism.

It would be more impressive if we saw more demands for refunds on the Nigel thread, plus for heavens sake don't turn it into an excuse to say other nations are more racist than the UK (seriously, the irony).

[JNW1]

DeepEnd said:

Good to see some £25ers speaking out against racism.

It would be more impressive if we saw more demands for refunds on the Nigel thread, plus for heavens sake don't turn it into an excuse to say other nations are more racist than the UK (seriously, the irony).

We're still far from perfect where racism's concerned but for many years we've been way ahead of most other nations in terms of our willingness to tackle the issue - what's ironic about people pointing that out?

[Earthdweller]

DeepEnd said:

Good to see some £25ers speaking out against racism.

It would be more impressive if we saw more demands for refunds on the Nigel thread, plus for heavens sake don't turn it into an excuse to say other nations are more racist than the UK (seriously, the irony).

Are you that depressing and negative about everything in real life ?

[DeepEnd]

JNW1 said:

We're still far from perfect where racism's concerned but for many years we've been way ahead of most other nations in terms of our willingness to tackle the issue - what's ironic about people pointing that out?

Because you are suggesting the UK population is somehow superior to other nations with respect to tolerance and racism.

Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another. Wiki [1] Oxford Dictionary

[Tuna]

Earthdweller said:

Are you that depressing and negative about everything in real life ?

You don't understand... DeepEnd is winning. He's fighting the good fight against the forces of evil, racism and ignorance.

Nothing shall penetrate the narrative.

[Tuna]

DeepEnd said:

Because you are suggesting the UK population is somehow superior to other nations with respect to tolerance and racism.

Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another. Wiki [1] Oxford Dictionary

If I point out that Kenyans are consistently better runners than the British, is that racist?

If people point to academic research that shows better racial tolerance in the UK than (say) Bulgaria, is that racist?

[NoNeed]

DeepEnd said:

JNW1 said:

We're still far from perfect where racism's concerned but for many years we've been way ahead of most other nations in terms of our willingness to tackle the issue - what's ironic about people pointing that out?

Because you are suggesting the UK population is somehow superior to other nations with respect to tolerance and racism.

Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another. Wiki [1] Oxford Dictionary

We have one of if not the most open and inclusive societies on the planet, yeah we do still have a few ignorant idiots, but they are very much the minority.

[Burwood]

DeepEnd said:

JNW1 said:

We're still far from perfect where racism's concerned but for many years we've been way ahead of most other nations in terms of our willingness to tackle the issue - what's ironic about people pointing that out?

Because you are suggesting the UK population is somehow superior to other nations with respect to tolerance and racism.

Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another. Wiki [1] Oxford Dictionary

Many other definitions. ‘Dislike of someone primarily due to race’ is probably more correct’

[JNW1]

DeepEnd said:

JNW1 said:

We're still far from perfect where racism's concerned but for many years we've been way ahead of most other nations in terms of our willingness to tackle the issue - what's ironic about people pointing that out?

Because you are suggesting the UK population is somehow superior to other nations with respect to tolerance and racism.

Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another. Wiki [1] Oxford Dictionary

Looking at what goes on in some football grounds around Europe is like going back to the 1970's or early 1980's in the UK; that doesn't make us superior but I'd certainly say we're more mature in our approach to racism than many other countries. You think otherwise?

[DeepEnd]

Tuna said:

If I point out that Kenyans are consistently better runners than the British, is that racist?

If people point to academic research that shows better racial tolerance in the UK than (say) Bulgaria, is that racist?

Racial stereotyping is generally unhelpful. Not sure why this is so difficult to grasp in 2019.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/oct/02/athl...

And no one is winning. Some are losing. £25. Multiples in some cases.

[Jockman]

I'm out of the loop here but is Deepend actually slasher (coloquial not derogatory)?

[Earthdweller]

Jockman said:

I'm out of the loop here but is Deepend actually slasher (coloquial not derogatory)?

I don’t know but he’s like an ear infection.. very irritating and distorts everything



Just once ....maybe I’d love to read something positive from him

Is that tooooooo much to ask ?

[anonymous-user]

If Boris comes back with a reheated May deal which is looking likely is that the Conservatives finished?

I for one will be voting for the Brexit party if this is the case.

[Tuna]

DeepEnd said:

Racial stereotyping is generally unhelpful. Not sure why this is so difficult to grasp in 2019. .

Seriously, this is why people like you are toxic. It's quite depressing really. You set the whole advance back a decade by completely misrepresenting people.

1) Why should anyone trust your (well meant, I'm sure) opinions, when you can't help but lie?
2) Equating everything with racism, rather than reducing it, normalises the thing you're fighting against
3) People who should be feeling safer are being made to feel targeted and under attack when the only attack is from your misrepresentation.

The examples I gave were not 'stereotyping' (yes, sure, it exists, but your example was nothing to do with what I had said). You're so desperate to 'prove' your point that you miss it by a country mile - and innocent bystanders get hit. I don't know whether you genuinely don't understand what you're doing, or if you think the collateral damage is somehow worth the internet points.

[crankedup]

Earthdweller said:

Jockman said:

I'm out of the loop here but is Deepend actually slasher (coloquial not derogatory)?

I don’t know but he’s like an ear infection.. very irritating and distorts everything



Just once ....maybe I’d love to read something positive from him

Is that tooooooo much to ask ?

I reckon it is to much to hope for based upon the past posts from him/her. As it is oft said, negative minds always find a problem in a solution.

[Vanden Saab]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

If Boris comes back with a reheated May deal which is looking likely is that the Conservatives finished?

I for one will be voting for the Brexit party if this is the case.

That depends on whether it gets through Parliament and we leave on the 31st... If we do I can see an easy Tory win despite your vote...