Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 9

[hidetheelephants]

biggbn said:

Should we perhaps look at why the conditions that engender such feelings exist in some countries, whether they be current or historical, and do something to eradicate them, if Hoffer is right? I don't put much stock in what he says, career kinda stalled after Baywatch....

As we can see in the US right now 'true believers' are not readily amenable to facts, especially when set against a background of being told how terrible the 'other' is(the red peril during the cold war, muslims post-2001, etc). All it needs is amoral demagogues to spin them something vague about it all being the fault of the other guy, no detail about what 'it' is necessary as the recipient fills in the blanks with whatever subconscious grievance they may harbour. The blue woad contingent would appear to be quite similar, as are those in opposition.

[Composer62]

Apropos of nothing, "contagion rules’ is an anagram of ‘Nicola Sturgeon’. Just thought I'd mention it

[deadslow]

Evercross said:

deadslow said:

which party do you support. If you wont say, please give over with the above nonsense.

I answered you that question a couple of pages ago (as did others). Nationalism isn't a party-political issue - just ask the Greens.....

so, too embarrassed to admit to being a discredited, irrelevant old leftie?

[Evercross]

deadslow said:

so, too embarrassed to admit to being a discredited, irrelevant old leftie?

A few months back a link to a video was posted in this thread. It featured Neil Oliver (him again) who rightly describes himself as apolitical, and in it he said that we now live in a society where people are desperate to pigeonhole someone into a political faction or leaning as a result of a single action/word/deed. It is a base act conducted by people who want to reduce everything to straw-man arguments to comply with their narrow world view.

[deadslow]

Evercross said:

deadslow said:

so, too embarrassed to admit to being a discredited, irrelevant old leftie?

A few months back a link to a video was posted in this thread. It featured Neil Oliver (him again) who rightly describes himself as apolitical, and in it he said that we now live in a society where people are desperate to pigeonhole someone into a political faction or leaning as a result of a single action/word/deed. It is a base act conducted by people who want to reduce everything to straw-man arguments to comply with their narrow world view.

hmm, so I was right

[Evercross]

deadslow said:

Evercross said:

deadslow said:

so, too embarrassed to admit to being a discredited, irrelevant old leftie?

A few months back a link to a video was posted in this thread. It featured Neil Oliver (him again) who rightly describes himself as apolitical, and in it he said that we now live in a society where people are desperate to pigeonhole someone into a political faction or leaning as a result of a single action/word/deed. It is a base act conducted by people who want to reduce everything to straw-man arguments to comply with their narrow world view.

hmm, so I was right

I think that proves that you will make your own mind up regardless of the truth.

BTW - Edinburger claims to have voted No in the 2014 referendum. How does that compute in your narrow mind?

Edited by Evercross on Friday 30th October 15:16

[deadslow]

Evercross said:

deadslow said:

Evercross said:

deadslow said:

so, too embarrassed to admit to being a discredited, irrelevant old leftie?

A few months back a link to a video was posted in this thread. It featured Neil Oliver (him again) who rightly describes himself as apolitical, and in it he said that we now live in a society where people are desperate to pigeonhole someone into a political faction or leaning as a result of a single action/word/deed. It is a base act conducted by people who want to reduce everything to straw-man arguments to comply with their narrow world view.

hmm, so I was right

I think that proves that you will make your own mind up regardless of the truth.

BTW - Edinburger claims to have voted No in the 2014 referendum. How does that compute in your narrow mind?

Edited by Evercross on Friday 30th October 15:16

chap, your time has come and gone. Scotland is no longer run like a regional shop-stewards meeting. Get over it.

[hidetheelephants]

Can we drop the dead donkey please?

[Evercross]

deadslow said:

chap, your time has come and gone. Scotland is no longer run like a regional shop-stewards meeting. Get over it.

Considering not that long ago in this thread I was being called a Boris and Cummings loving Tory by GMorto.

At least one of you must be wrong?!

Edited by Evercross on Friday 30th October 18:15

[lothianJim]

glazbagun said:

Nationalism is fairly right-wing in nature I'd say- it majors on national identity, mythos, achievements, exceptionalism, symbolism, culture, and primacy among other cultures.
.....

Yes nationalism that's where the left leaning reactive politics of separatism is rooted I think. The national identity of the established nation has pride in achievements, and is invested in preserving (or conserving) the wealth, stability and union of the nation. Separatists are necessarily reactive to the majority view, in UK's case right wing conservative unionism. The separatist identity searches for gaps and opportunities to differentiate, and the low hanging fruit are often the most progressive policies. In case of devolved powers, whether these policies are competently implemented is a whole different question altogether.

The upswing in Scottish nationalism in the polls is in no small part a reaction of Boris's lurch to the right, which is hardly any more sincere than SNP's left swing.

Edited by lothianJim on Saturday 31st October 20:27

[Roderick Spode]

Evercross said:

Considering not that long ago in this thread I was being called a Boris and Cummings loving Tory by GMorto.

At least one of you must be wrong?!

Obvious troll is obvious. Don't bother giving it attention.

[Roderick Spode]

Oh dear. It would seem the architects of the new "Plan B" to essentially declare the forthcoming Holyrood election as a proxy for an independence referendum, have had their proposal shot down in flames by the internal SNP machine.

Article said:

An SNP councillor has said a debate at the party conference on a so-called ‘plan B’ for delivering independence has been blocked.

Chris McEleny, who backs an alternative strategy, said he was “bitterly disappointed” at the decision.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon ’s independence strategy is based on securing a joint agreement with the UK Government on a referendum.

Mr McEleny is definitely on the radical fringe of the party, and has not been an emphatic endorser of the present 'leadership', nor indeed has Angus Brenda the schoolgirl chaser. Where do the SNP find these cretins?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/indepe...

[A.J.M]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18835259.nicol...

When 7.5 hours and £1320 is worth more than finding out the truth over the care home disaster.

Nice to see Nippy places such a high value on the elderly.

[roadtripboy]

Latest bit of North Korean indoctrinated weirdness is parents dressing their wee girls - and boys - as Nicola Sturgeon for Halloween.

Tbf I’m hard pushed to think of anything scarier.

[750turbo]

And now I see the death of Sean Connery has been hijacked by this sickening lot for their own ends.

Disgusting.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

750turbo said:

And now I see the death of Sean Connery has been hijacked by this sickening lot for their own ends.

Disgusting.

It's no surprise though, there is no depth to which the SNP and their followers wil not stoop to in order to try and
score political points, and that includes using the names of the deceased. Shocking.

[lothianJim]

What happened? Got a link? Wasn't he a long time campaigner for the SNP?

[irc]

roadtripboy said:

Latest bit of North Korean indoctrinated weirdness is parents dressing their wee girls - and boys - as Nicola Sturgeon for Halloween.

Tbf I’m hard pushed to think of anything scarier.

Good grief.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/s...

Anyone see the pics of 1930s guisers in the Hebrides? Shades of Wicker Man





https://www.whfp.com/2019/11/03/gisearachd-cabbage...

Edited by irc on Saturday 31st October 20:21

[Troubleatmill]

lothianJim said:

What happened? Got a link? Wasn't he a long time campaigner for the SNP?

Although Sean was a member of the SNP - he loved Scotland so much - as soon as he could he buggered off out of it - and said he said he might visit sometime.

Wee Nippy got her 3 minutes on the telly - (because she needs more airtime) praising Sean.

[lothianJim]

Troubleatmill said:

Although Sean was a member of the SNP - he loved Scotland so much - as soon as he could he buggered off out of it - and said he said he might visit sometime.

Wee Nippy got her 3 minutes on the telly - (because she needs more airtime) praising Sean.

Can't say I wouldn't do the same tbh. Unless this is his north queensferry pad