Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2
Discussion
LoonyTunes said:
Can anyone please show me a quote from Corbyn where he supports the IRA killings. Not their aim of a United Ireland but the killing/bombing method they were using in trying to achieve their goals.
Likewise an anti-semitic quote from Corbyn. Not a pro-palestinian quote (or pro palestinian aims of reclaiming the land) but an actual anti-semitic quote.
There was a phone-in radio show this morning on this and NOBODY could do it. In fact after a while it became embarrassing as caller after caller rang in with zero evidence for either and was dispatched quickly by the presenter.
This newspaper clip is pretty damning surely?Likewise an anti-semitic quote from Corbyn. Not a pro-palestinian quote (or pro palestinian aims of reclaiming the land) but an actual anti-semitic quote.
There was a phone-in radio show this morning on this and NOBODY could do it. In fact after a while it became embarrassing as caller after caller rang in with zero evidence for either and was dispatched quickly by the presenter.
Sway said:
LoonyTunes said:
Can anyone please show me a quote from Corbyn where he supports the IRA killings. Not their aim of a United Ireland but the killing/bombing method they were using in trying to achieve their goals.
The Labour leader was “happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for an independent Ireland” at an event organised by Republican leaders in London’s Conway Hall during the 1987 general election. From here: http://www.cityam.com/265655/jeremy-corbyn-cant-re...
Sway said:
LoonyTunes said:
Can anyone please show me a quote from Corbyn where he supports the IRA killings. Not their aim of a United Ireland but the killing/bombing method they were using in trying to achieve their goals.
The Labour leader was “happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for an independent Ireland” at an event organised by Republican leaders in London’s Conway Hall during the 1987 general election. From here: http://www.cityam.com/265655/jeremy-corbyn-cant-re...
Whats the actual quote and just as importantly whats the context?
For those looking for evidence about Corbyn and also those taken in by Momentum's efforts to spin him into some kind of Socialist Gandhi the twitter account @TimesCorbyn is a good place to start.
It's an "in this day" chronicle taken mainly from the Times parliamentary reports and Hansard of what Corbyn was saying and doing on each particular day . His words and actions paint a very different picture to the one currently being shown by his social media activists.
For example, the claim that was being tweeted and facebooked all over last week about him signing every early day motion which came up to condemn anti semitism? Total b
ks. When the research of his record is examined it shows the total opposite, he has not signed a single one.
Corbyn is a nasty lying snake with a very effective PR mechanism and army of aggressive entryist supporters willing to rewrite his history and shout down all who criticise or oppose.
A very unpleasant and dangerous man indeed.
It's an "in this day" chronicle taken mainly from the Times parliamentary reports and Hansard of what Corbyn was saying and doing on each particular day . His words and actions paint a very different picture to the one currently being shown by his social media activists.
For example, the claim that was being tweeted and facebooked all over last week about him signing every early day motion which came up to condemn anti semitism? Total b
ks. When the research of his record is examined it shows the total opposite, he has not signed a single one.Corbyn is a nasty lying snake with a very effective PR mechanism and army of aggressive entryist supporters willing to rewrite his history and shout down all who criticise or oppose.
A very unpleasant and dangerous man indeed.
LoonyTunes said:
Can anyone please show me a quote from Corbyn where he supports the IRA killings. Not their aim of a United Ireland but the killing/bombing method they were using in trying to achieve their goals.
Likewise an anti-semitic quote from Corbyn. Not a pro-palestinian quote (or pro palestinian aims of reclaiming the land) but an actual anti-semitic quote.
There was a phone-in radio show this morning on this and NOBODY could do it. In fact after a while it became embarrassing as caller after caller rang in with zero evidence for either and was dispatched quickly by the presenter.
So you (and this radio presenter) won't acknowledge anything until you see some sort of 'I hate all Jews' quote from the great man?Likewise an anti-semitic quote from Corbyn. Not a pro-palestinian quote (or pro palestinian aims of reclaiming the land) but an actual anti-semitic quote.
There was a phone-in radio show this morning on this and NOBODY could do it. In fact after a while it became embarrassing as caller after caller rang in with zero evidence for either and was dispatched quickly by the presenter.
There is no smoking gun, sometimes things can a little more nuanced then that. Even if JC isn't anti Semitic himself, he has been seen to tolerate anti Semitism and that is the issue.
Herr Schnell said:
For those looking for evidence about Corbyn and also those taken in by Momentum's efforts to spin him into some kind of Socialist Gandhi the twitter account @TimesCorbyn is a good place to start.
It's an "in this day" chronicle taken mainly from the Times parliamentary reports and Hansard of what Corbyn was saying and doing on each particular day . His words and actions paint a very different picture to the one currently being shown by his social media activists.
For example, the claim that was being tweeted and facebooked all over last week about him signing every early day motion which came up to condemn anti semitism? Total bks. When the research of his record is examined it shows the total opposite, he has not signed a single one.
Corbyn is a nasty lying snake with a very effective PR mechanism and army of aggressive entryist supporters willing to rewrite his history and shout down all who criticise or oppose.
A very unpleasant and dangerous man indeed.
Or that utter goon @Jezza4_PM, who seems to spend his entire life following the Dear Leader around posting utter sIt's an "in this day" chronicle taken mainly from the Times parliamentary reports and Hansard of what Corbyn was saying and doing on each particular day . His words and actions paint a very different picture to the one currently being shown by his social media activists.
For example, the claim that was being tweeted and facebooked all over last week about him signing every early day motion which came up to condemn anti semitism? Total b
ks. When the research of his record is examined it shows the total opposite, he has not signed a single one.Corbyn is a nasty lying snake with a very effective PR mechanism and army of aggressive entryist supporters willing to rewrite his history and shout down all who criticise or oppose.
A very unpleasant and dangerous man indeed.
te about how he never said the things he's on record as sayingLoonyTunes said:
Sway said:
LoonyTunes said:
Can anyone please show me a quote from Corbyn where he supports the IRA killings. Not their aim of a United Ireland but the killing/bombing method they were using in trying to achieve their goals.
The Labour leader was “happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for an independent Ireland” at an event organised by Republican leaders in London’s Conway Hall during the 1987 general election. From here: http://www.cityam.com/265655/jeremy-corbyn-cant-re...
Whats the actual quote and just as importantly whats the context?
For clarity, he commemorated those who fought for an independent Ireland. Note, not those that fought for peace, but independence.
At a meeting organised by the republicans during the 87 General election.
If you cannot see that as a direct word showing his support for the IRA's methods, then you are choosing not to see as you are blinded by rhetoric.
nosmallfiat said:
LoonyTunes said:
Can anyone please show me a quote from Corbyn where he supports the IRA killings. Not their aim of a United Ireland but the killing/bombing method they were using in trying to achieve their goals.
Likewise an anti-semitic quote from Corbyn. Not a pro-palestinian quote (or pro palestinian aims of reclaiming the land) but an actual anti-semitic quote.
There was a phone-in radio show this morning on this and NOBODY could do it. In fact after a while it became embarrassing as caller after caller rang in with zero evidence for either and was dispatched quickly by the presenter.
So you (and this radio presenter) won't acknowledge anything until you see some sort of 'I hate all Jews' quote from the great man?Likewise an anti-semitic quote from Corbyn. Not a pro-palestinian quote (or pro palestinian aims of reclaiming the land) but an actual anti-semitic quote.
There was a phone-in radio show this morning on this and NOBODY could do it. In fact after a while it became embarrassing as caller after caller rang in with zero evidence for either and was dispatched quickly by the presenter.
There is no smoking gun, sometimes things can a little more nuanced then that. Even if JC isn't anti Semitic himself, he has been seen to tolerate anti Semitism and that is the issue.
"I hate all Jews" would at least be anti-semitic.
It's playing out exactly as it did this morning.
LoonyTunes said:
Russian Troll Bot said:
That ISN'T a quote supporting the killings/bombings of civilians.
Next.
Sway said:
The actual quote is what I put in bold. The context is the bit written straight after the bit in bold...
For clarity, he commemorated those who fought for an independent Ireland. Note, not those that fought for peace, but independence.
At a meeting organised by the republicans during the 87 General election.
If you cannot see that as a direct word showing his support for the IRA's methods, then you are choosing not to see as you are blinded by rhetoric.
Utter rubbish. People have been fighting for an independent Ireland for over a hundred years. British soldiers have killed innocent demonstrators.For clarity, he commemorated those who fought for an independent Ireland. Note, not those that fought for peace, but independence.
At a meeting organised by the republicans during the 87 General election.
If you cannot see that as a direct word showing his support for the IRA's methods, then you are choosing not to see as you are blinded by rhetoric.
You'll find he probably commemorates those who died fighting for American Independence too.
Where's the quote supporting the IRA's methods ie the bombing and killing?
Imagine we're in a court room and you need to supply proof to the judge and jury that he supports these methods.
Next.
LoonyTunes said:
Yeah yeah...so you've got nothing.
"I hate all Jews" would at least be anti-semitic.
It's playing out exactly as it did this morning.
Got nothing? I don't believe he is anti Semitic. But he has tolerated anti semitism and there is plenty of evidence. That is the issue. You are okay with that?"I hate all Jews" would at least be anti-semitic.
It's playing out exactly as it did this morning.
Russian Troll Bot said:
So if someone said "I'm happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for the Nazi empire", that doesn't mean they supported the Nazis killing civilians?
Let me put this in terms you understand.It has nothing to do with the Nazi's.
I don't know how many times it needs saying but show me the proof of him saying he supports the killing of innocents by bomb or bullet or hates the Jews for being Jews etc.
nosmallfiat said:
LoonyTunes said:
Yeah yeah...so you've got nothing.
"I hate all Jews" would at least be anti-semitic.
It's playing out exactly as it did this morning.
Got nothing? I don't believe he is anti Semitic. But he has tolerated anti semitism and there is plenty of evidence. That is the issue. You are okay with that?"I hate all Jews" would at least be anti-semitic.
It's playing out exactly as it did this morning.
Statements put out by him have been more than clear to anyone:
Jeremy Corbyn has said he is "sincerely sorry" for the pain caused by "pockets of anti-Semitism" in the Labour party.
In a statement, the Labour leader said he would be meeting representatives of the Jewish community this week to "rebuild" confidence in his party.
He said Labour was "anti-racist" and he "utterly condemns" anti-Semitism.
Mr Corbyn's statement, which was released on Sunday evening, said: "I want to be clear that I will not tolerate any form of anti-Semitism that exists in and around our movement.
"We must stamp this out from our party and movement.
"We recognise that anti-Semitism has occurred in pockets within the Labour Party, causing pain and hurt to our Jewish community in the Labour Party and the rest of the country.
"I am sincerely sorry for the pain which has been caused.
Mr Corbyn said he and the party - which has "deep roots in the Jewish community" - were now campaigning to "increase support and confidence in Labour" among Jewish people in Britain.
Which bit of the above is unclear to you?
LoonyTunes said:
Russian Troll Bot said:
That ISN'T a quote supporting the killings/bombings of civilians.
Next.
In saying that he is placing an equivalency to those in terrorist organisations who were killed whilst they pursued a bombing campaign against unarmed civilians, in Warrington, Docklands, Omagh, Bishopsgate, Brighton etc etc
The IRA murdered people. They were terrorists, their actions should have been condemned at every turn. Never mind attacking Soldiers or the Police. Many people died who had nothing to do with the Law and Rule of Northern Ireland.
At the time the IRA committed atrocities - like the 1983 Harrods Bomb or this...
Warrington bomb
Three-year-old Johnathan Ball died at the scene. He had been in town with his babysitter, shopping for a Mother's Day card.[1] The second victim, 12-year-old Tim Parry, was gravely wounded. He died on 25 March 1993 when his life support machine was switched off, after tests had found only minimal brain activity.[6] 54 other people were injured, four of them seriously.[5] One of the survivors, 32-year-old Bronwen Vickers, the mother of two young daughters, had to have a leg amputated, and died just over a year later from cancer.
That an absolute reptile like Corbyn can see any justification or legitimacy in the actions of the IRA during this time is to me beyond the pale, they were not noble freedom fighters. He met with them, supported them and refused to condemn them.
What do you call someone who will not condemn these types of atrocity? The word must surely be supporter.
Had he said ooh I dunno - " Whilst I support the principle of a united Ireland, as a committed pacifist I utter condemn these bombings and murders and I call upon the IRA to come to the negotiating table "
Show me THAT quote ....
Edited by Gargamel on Monday 26th March 17:54
LoonyTunes said:
Sway said:
The actual quote is what I put in bold. The context is the bit written straight after the bit in bold...
For clarity, he commemorated those who fought for an independent Ireland. Note, not those that fought for peace, but independence.
At a meeting organised by the republicans during the 87 General election.
If you cannot see that as a direct word showing his support for the IRA's methods, then you are choosing not to see as you are blinded by rhetoric.
Utter rubbish. People have been fighting for an independent Ireland for over a hundred years. British soldiers have killed innocent demonstrators.For clarity, he commemorated those who fought for an independent Ireland. Note, not those that fought for peace, but independence.
At a meeting organised by the republicans during the 87 General election.
If you cannot see that as a direct word showing his support for the IRA's methods, then you are choosing not to see as you are blinded by rhetoric.
You'll find he probably commemorates those who died fighting for American Independence too.
Where's the quote supporting the IRA's methods ie the bombing and killing?
Imagine we're in a court room and you need to supply proof to the judge and jury that he supports these methods.
Next.
Is it true Mr Corbyn, that you said you "were happy to commemorate ALL those who have died fighting for an independent Ireland"?
Yes.
Just to be clear - ALL?
Yes.
Is it true that many of those who died fighting for an independent Ireland did so either during, or after, fighting in a way that specifically targeted innocent civilians?
Well, I suppose that might be the case, but whatabout the innocents the British army killed?
Irrelevant Mr Corbyn. Were some of those killed fighting for an independent Ireland fighting in a way that specifically sought to kill innocents?
Yes.
So, by clearly stating you commemorated all those who died fighting, you do indeed commemorate those who focused on killing innocents, and that by commemorating them you are at least tacitly supporting their methods?
No, of course not
Then why else would you be happy to commemorate them?
...
The prosecution rests.
Gargamel said:
Yes it is.
In saying that he is placing an equivalency to those in terrorist organisations who were killed whilst pursuing a bombing campaign against unarmed civilians, in Warrington, Docklands, Omagh, Bishopsgate, Brighton etc etc
The IRA murdered those people. They were terrorists, there actions should have been condemned at every turn. Never mind attacking Soldiers or the Police. Many people died who had nothing to do with the Law and Rule of Northern Ireland.
At the time the IRA committed atrocities - like the 1983 Harrods Bomb or this...
Warrington bomb
Three-year-old Johnathan Ball died at the scene. He had been in town with his babysitter, shopping for a Mother's Day card.[1] The second victim, 12-year-old Tim Parry, was gravely wounded. He died on 25 March 1993 when his life support machine was switched off, after tests had found only minimal brain activity.[6] 54 other people were injured, four of them seriously.[5] One of the survivors, 32-year-old Bronwen Vickers, the mother of two young daughters, had to have a leg amputated, and died just over a year later from cancer.
That an absolute reptile like Corbyn can see any justification or legitimacy in the actions of the IRA during this time is to me beyond the pale, they were not noble freedom fighters. He met with them, supported them and refused to condemn them.
What do you call someone who will not condemn these types of atrocity? The word must surely be supporter.
Had he said ooh I dunno - " Whilst I support the principle of a united Ireland, as a committed pacifist I utter condemn these bombings and murders and I call upon the IRA to come to the negotiating table "
Show me THAT quote ....
Jesus wept, omitting to say you don't support something doesn't mean that you do support it In saying that he is placing an equivalency to those in terrorist organisations who were killed whilst pursuing a bombing campaign against unarmed civilians, in Warrington, Docklands, Omagh, Bishopsgate, Brighton etc etc
The IRA murdered those people. They were terrorists, there actions should have been condemned at every turn. Never mind attacking Soldiers or the Police. Many people died who had nothing to do with the Law and Rule of Northern Ireland.
At the time the IRA committed atrocities - like the 1983 Harrods Bomb or this...
Warrington bomb
Three-year-old Johnathan Ball died at the scene. He had been in town with his babysitter, shopping for a Mother's Day card.[1] The second victim, 12-year-old Tim Parry, was gravely wounded. He died on 25 March 1993 when his life support machine was switched off, after tests had found only minimal brain activity.[6] 54 other people were injured, four of them seriously.[5] One of the survivors, 32-year-old Bronwen Vickers, the mother of two young daughters, had to have a leg amputated, and died just over a year later from cancer.
That an absolute reptile like Corbyn can see any justification or legitimacy in the actions of the IRA during this time is to me beyond the pale, they were not noble freedom fighters. He met with them, supported them and refused to condemn them.
What do you call someone who will not condemn these types of atrocity? The word must surely be supporter.
Had he said ooh I dunno - " Whilst I support the principle of a united Ireland, as a committed pacifist I utter condemn these bombings and murders and I call upon the IRA to come to the negotiating table "
Show me THAT quote ....
It's a false equivalence. Now, that quote, the one that would prove to any judge or jury that he is what you say he is, can I have it please?
LoonyTunes said:
Russian Troll Bot said:
So if someone said "I'm happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for the Nazi empire", that doesn't mean they supported the Nazis killing civilians?
Let me put this in terms you understand.It has nothing to do with the Nazi's.
I don't know how many times it needs saying but show me the proof of him saying he supports the killing of innocents by bomb or bullet or hates the Jews for being Jews etc.
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