45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3
Discussion
Funkycoldribena said:
So you didnt bump into one of the 63 million then?
Still leaves a lot of people who didnt care enough to vote as well.
Is this a bit like brexit where remainers never met/meet anyone who voted leave?
I've met a few in Atlanta and Arkansas who voted for him. Every single one wouldn't do so again. Some didn't want Clinton so voted for, the others believed his lies about wanting to improve the lot of the average American(their words, not mine)Still leaves a lot of people who didnt care enough to vote as well.
Is this a bit like brexit where remainers never met/meet anyone who voted leave?
Eric Mc said:
Missing points seems to be the preserve of Trumpettes. Is it the blinkers that cause it, I wonder?
so what was the point again? More people didn't vote at all than for the winner in all of US elections.rscott said:
In 2004, 62M voted for the winner, 59M for the loser. Somewhat different to 2016 where the winner had fewer votes than 2nd place...
it also happened before, I don't know if it's right or not but Donald wasn't the one creating the system so why accuse him for it
paulguitar said:
I think the whole USA is being humiliated day in day out by having him as president. But if they re-elect him in 2020, frankly they deserve to be ridiculed and laughed at by the rest of the world.
Well there's an old saying in Tennessee you know, fool me once....https://youtu.be/KjmjqlOPd6A
AreOut said:
Eric Mc said:
Missing points seems to be the preserve of Trumpettes. Is it the blinkers that cause it, I wonder?
so what was the point again? More people didn't vote at all than for the winner in all of US elections.I should have said "blindfold".
paulguitar said:
I spend most of my time stateside and yes, many of them care, very much. They are ashamed and embarrassed by the Trump debacle.
Don't forget only 63 million people voted for Trump, in a country with a population of over 320 million.
I think it's fairer to use, what yanks call, the VEP, voting eligible population, which was 230.6 million.Don't forget only 63 million people voted for Trump, in a country with a population of over 320 million.
Halb said:
paulguitar said:
I spend most of my time stateside and yes, many of them care, very much. They are ashamed and embarrassed by the Trump debacle.
Don't forget only 63 million people voted for Trump, in a country with a population of over 320 million.
I think it's fairer to use, what yanks call, the VEP, voting eligible population, which was 230.6 million.Don't forget only 63 million people voted for Trump, in a country with a population of over 320 million.
rscott said:
It'll also depend on who the Democrats put up against him. He got in partly due to support from (Anyone But Hillary) voters. It can't be one of the same old faces - needs to be a younger, more dynamic candidate with far less baggage.
I agree, needs to be someone dynamic. Obama rather set the standardBlackpuddin said:
Trump put his name up for a second term as soon as he was inaugurated for the first one.
But only so he could immediately continue with his rally's building up 'election funds', which have been used for all sorts of things, such as paying his legal bills and those of his family.I think it need to be someone who isn't from that establishment, not another Clinto/Bush/Obama. I'd like to see Bernie again...but he's too old.
Question is, will the DEms learn why they f
ked it so hard...I'm willing to say...no, they haven't learned one single thing and they'll rerun their nomination process pretty much like they id in 2016.
Question is, will the DEms learn why they f
ked it so hard...I'm willing to say...no, they haven't learned one single thing and they'll rerun their nomination process pretty much like they id in 2016.Serious question:
What do Trump's remaining fans - of which there are several here - get out of still supporting him at this point?
He's achieved virtually nothing he set out to do and speaks like an angry toddler. Are they deliberately ignoring the reality of how he acts and the things he says?
Or does none of that matter because he still represents their last hurrah against a world they see as too politically correct, too liberal and - well - too scary?
What do Trump's remaining fans - of which there are several here - get out of still supporting him at this point?
He's achieved virtually nothing he set out to do and speaks like an angry toddler. Are they deliberately ignoring the reality of how he acts and the things he says?
Or does none of that matter because he still represents their last hurrah against a world they see as too politically correct, too liberal and - well - too scary?
Robertj21a said:
Funkycoldribena said:
So you didnt bump into one of the 63 million then?
Still leaves a lot of people who didnt care enough to vote as well.
Is this a bit like brexit where remainers never met/meet anyone who voted leave?
No, Remainers never met any Leavers because they never travel outside the metropolitan centres (or M25)Still leaves a lot of people who didnt care enough to vote as well.
Is this a bit like brexit where remainers never met/meet anyone who voted leave?
Sorry to go further off topic.......
Same goes for US presidency - trump would not win now. Although I do realise Hillary is despised in a lot of areas of the US...well she must be to vote for someone like Trump!
Met a Trump voter in Los Angeles. A proper petrolhead too, won't go into who but well known.
His stance was that things needed shaking up and Hillary was shady as sin. And genuinely believed Trump could deliver "something".
I'll admit my estimation of him dropped after that conversation. The voters seemed to be sold on Hillary being your typical politician who has been caught out doing misdeeds, which is reasonable given all the press. However, it's still impossible to think that given the campaign and lack of moral quality, awful business practice and generally poor character, that anyone would cast a vote for Trump.
Genuinely baffling to this day.
His stance was that things needed shaking up and Hillary was shady as sin. And genuinely believed Trump could deliver "something".
I'll admit my estimation of him dropped after that conversation. The voters seemed to be sold on Hillary being your typical politician who has been caught out doing misdeeds, which is reasonable given all the press. However, it's still impossible to think that given the campaign and lack of moral quality, awful business practice and generally poor character, that anyone would cast a vote for Trump.
Genuinely baffling to this day.
Justices said:
Met a Trump voter in Los Angeles. A proper petrolhead too, won't go into who but well known.
His stance was that things needed shaking up and Hillary was shady as sin. And genuinely believed Trump could deliver "something".
You'd expect these people to be furious that they've been conned by now.His stance was that things needed shaking up and Hillary was shady as sin. And genuinely believed Trump could deliver "something".
mx5nut said:
Serious question:
What do Trump's remaining fans - of which there are several here - get out of still supporting him at this point?
He's achieved virtually nothing he set out to do and speaks like an angry toddler. Are they deliberately ignoring the reality of how he acts and the things he says?
Or does none of that matter because he still represents their last hurrah against a world they see as too politically correct, too liberal and - well - too scary?
Trumps schtick fits their worldview and to go against Trump might mean having to re-examine their own beliefs and prejudices. What do Trump's remaining fans - of which there are several here - get out of still supporting him at this point?
He's achieved virtually nothing he set out to do and speaks like an angry toddler. Are they deliberately ignoring the reality of how he acts and the things he says?
Or does none of that matter because he still represents their last hurrah against a world they see as too politically correct, too liberal and - well - too scary?
Any evidence that Trump is an idiot / colluded with Russia / abused women is irrelevant - as long as he keeps on spouting the same slogans they're happy.
IMO
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