How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 13)
Discussion
Digga said:
Coolbananas said:
I'd love the EU to tell you the UK sod off now - it needs to learn that the EU does not need the UK nearly as much as it thinks it does. 
Sure you would. it won't happen though, because that is simply not the case.Hopefully, that's the likely outcome. If not, both sides will end up with too many things they don't want, and that would be just stupid
soupdragon1 said:
Digga said:
Coolbananas said:
I'd love the EU to tell you the UK sod off now - it needs to learn that the EU does not need the UK nearly as much as it thinks it does.
Sure you would. it won't happen though, because that is simply not the case.Hopefully, that's the likely outcome. If not, both sides will end up with too many things they don't want, and that would be just stupid
SpeckledJim said:
Coolbananas said:
janesmith1950 said:
I think the Europeans have got bigger problems than negotiating with us.
They can't even agree on a new budget, with the northern countries wanting to reduce their exposure to the shortfall our leaving has created and the southern ones demanding they still get their cash whatever.
It's all going to fall apart because it's a silly idea to mesh together tightly such differently performing nations.
No, you are projecting without understanding the processes of what is normal negotiation within the EU. They can't even agree on a new budget, with the northern countries wanting to reduce their exposure to the shortfall our leaving has created and the southern ones demanding they still get their cash whatever.
It's all going to fall apart because it's a silly idea to mesh together tightly such differently performing nations.
Do you think such haggles are unprecedented? Of course its always going to be challenge, but only quitters and those with limited ambition give up. Of course each member will want to protect its own interests as far as possible, this is to be expected. This isn't like going to Sainsbury's and accepting the prices as they are, this is a high level barter for the best deal with each country arguing its case in light of a new arrangement. In the end, an amicable solution will be found but this is a process that has to be followed. It also has nothing to do with you in the UK now, you wanted to leave, you have, so off you go and find something else to whinge about.
I'd love the EU to tell you the UK sod off now - it needs to learn that the EU does not need the UK nearly as much as it thinks it does.
They've a clear motivation to show the remaining member nations how awful life is on the outside, so if you're right and they don't need us, then they're better to just let us sink.
So why haven't they done it? Why the negotiating?
(As per, don't listen to what people say. Just watch what they do.)
There’s so much wrong with that statement I wouldn’t know where to start other than
Forget trade and banking for the moment it needs the U.K. for security and intelligence. The hole left by the loss of the UK’s assets in those two areas would be impossible to fill
It’s time for the grown up’s to talk
Childish Politicians with the above attitude you desire need to step aside
The EU will continue to wriggle and fight like a bunch of Ferrets in a sack but the hole left by cutting off the U.K. completely will be akin to hitting the self destruct button
Digga said:
soupdragon1 said:
Digga said:
Coolbananas said:
I'd love the EU to tell you the UK sod off now - it needs to learn that the EU does not need the UK nearly as much as it thinks it does.
Sure you would. it won't happen though, because that is simply not the case.Hopefully, that's the likely outcome. If not, both sides will end up with too many things they don't want, and that would be just stupid
Its having a good negotiating team thats key and from a UK point of view, opening up new opportunities as much as possible while protecting what we have as much as possible. Its a fine balancing act to achieve both.
soupdragon1 said:
Digga said:
soupdragon1 said:
Digga said:
Coolbananas said:
I'd love the EU to tell you the UK sod off now - it needs to learn that the EU does not need the UK nearly as much as it thinks it does.
Sure you would. it won't happen though, because that is simply not the case.Hopefully, that's the likely outcome. If not, both sides will end up with too many things they don't want, and that would be just stupid
Its having a good negotiating team thats key and from a UK point of view, opening up new opportunities as much as possible while protecting what we have as much as possible. Its a fine balancing act to achieve both.
k it up.Digga said:
soupdragon1 said:
Digga said:
soupdragon1 said:
Digga said:
Coolbananas said:
I'd love the EU to tell you the UK sod off now - it needs to learn that the EU does not need the UK nearly as much as it thinks it does.
Sure you would. it won't happen though, because that is simply not the case.Hopefully, that's the likely outcome. If not, both sides will end up with too many things they don't want, and that would be just stupid
Its having a good negotiating team thats key and from a UK point of view, opening up new opportunities as much as possible while protecting what we have as much as possible. Its a fine balancing act to achieve both.
k it up.The best deal occurs when both sides reach a position that both sides feel they can live with. Up until now that position has not been reached between the UK and EU.
if a rash of common sense breaks out, on both sides of the channel, perhaps it might be?
Interesting times lay ahead.
Indeed Pan.
The difficulty comes when the EU backs itself into a corner with public absolute demands which then not only requires strong negotiations to overcome to a mutually agreeable solution, but also the EU institutions figuring out how they're going to spin it to save face (such as the shift in their long held and 'final' WA position)
The difficulty comes when the EU backs itself into a corner with public absolute demands which then not only requires strong negotiations to overcome to a mutually agreeable solution, but also the EU institutions figuring out how they're going to spin it to save face (such as the shift in their long held and 'final' WA position)
Sway said:
Indeed Pan.
The difficulty comes when the EU backs itself into a corner with public absolute demands which then not only requires strong negotiations to overcome to a mutually agreeable solution, but also the EU institutions figuring out how they're going to spin it to save face (such as the shift in their long held and 'final' WA position)
Or the UK does.The difficulty comes when the EU backs itself into a corner with public absolute demands which then not only requires strong negotiations to overcome to a mutually agreeable solution, but also the EU institutions figuring out how they're going to spin it to save face (such as the shift in their long held and 'final' WA position)
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Sway said:
Indeed Pan.
The difficulty comes when the EU backs itself into a corner with public absolute demands which then not only requires strong negotiations to overcome to a mutually agreeable solution, but also the EU institutions figuring out how they're going to spin it to save face (such as the shift in their long held and 'final' WA position)
Or the UK does.The difficulty comes when the EU backs itself into a corner with public absolute demands which then not only requires strong negotiations to overcome to a mutually agreeable solution, but also the EU institutions figuring out how they're going to spin it to save face (such as the shift in their long held and 'final' WA position)
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Sway said:
The UK hasn't backed itself into any corners, other than not signing over things no nation ever has willingly... That seems a pretty reasonable red line.
You don't think that stating we will walk away with nothing if not done by the end of 2020 involves a corner?We know with no deadline, nothing happens.
Sway said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Sway said:
Indeed Pan.
The difficulty comes when the EU backs itself into a corner with public absolute demands which then not only requires strong negotiations to overcome to a mutually agreeable solution, but also the EU institutions figuring out how they're going to spin it to save face (such as the shift in their long held and 'final' WA position)
Or the UK does.The difficulty comes when the EU backs itself into a corner with public absolute demands which then not only requires strong negotiations to overcome to a mutually agreeable solution, but also the EU institutions figuring out how they're going to spin it to save face (such as the shift in their long held and 'final' WA position)
UK 100% right then?
zero understanding of compromise
ironic given the greyness applied to Sabinsky
SpeckledJim said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Sway said:
The UK hasn't backed itself into any corners, other than not signing over things no nation ever has willingly... That seems a pretty reasonable red line.
You don't think that stating we will walk away with nothing if not done by the end of 2020 involves a corner?We know with no deadline, nothing happens.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Vanden Saab said:
Which would make the UK position an intention not a commitment too... See how easy that was...
This is an interesting paragraph:
73. Within the context of the overall economic partnership the Parties should establish a new
fisheries agreement on, inter alia, access to waters and quota shares.
Borghetto said:
Coolbananas said:
I'd love the EU to tell you the UK sod off now - it needs to learn that the EU does not need the UK nearly as much as it thinks it does.
I'm glad you packed your bags and pissed off to Portugal - what a loss to the UK, lucky old Portugal having you in their midst.Do we really want successful people leaving?
Vanden Saab said:
A new agreement does it say, not a continuation of the current one?
It's more the fact that the UK government has already accepted that the EU will have access to UK waters in some form.Not to say that is necessarily a bad thing in the negotiations, as the EU clearly want it so the UK can hopefully use that to its advantage.
A few upset fisherman won't worry anyone.
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