How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 13)
Discussion
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Brooking tries to be a rational remain supporter and achieves it 90% of the time, but does resort to petty sniping for the other 10%. As for SIBIS's hypocrisy, that frequently achieves new heights.
It's almost as if the mods pick and choose which rules they choose to enforce!
- Trolling and arguing for argument’s sake is not acceptable.
Broken frequently by DeepEnd, NickGnome, Helicopter123 and numerous others!
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NickGnome's obsession with other people and their family is disconcerting!
Brooking tries to be a rational remain supporter and achieves it 90% of the time, but does resort to petty sniping for the other 10%. As for SIBIS's hypocrisy, that frequently achieves new heights.
It's almost as if the mods pick and choose which rules they choose to enforce!
Edited by Dee_Pend2 on Saturday 22 February 15:10
Dee_Pend2 said:
It's almost as if the mods pick and choose which rules they choose to enforce!
Alternatively, they're reactive rather than proactive.Doesn't make sense either, are we to believe that the backslapping, dogpiling, echo chamber loving brexiteers aren't reporting the "usual suspects" enough to deport them from their safe space?
Dee_Pend2 said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
And you name isn't I suppose.
I can't see that my username breaks any rules.Mind you Alfie Catweasle seems to be getting away with it so maybe it isn’t ?
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 22 February 15:31
El stovey said:
Crackie said:
DeepEnd said:
Crackie said:
DeepEnd said:
let them enjoy the sweet taste of what they think is “some foreigners suffering”.
Projecting about foreigners again DeepEnd 
Some bloke uses “they and them” (probably to avoid the same reaction) and now you get all frothy because he’s not being specific enough?
DeepEnd said:
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Of course, it’s only about €3m/week less per EU nation. Buttons in the scheme of things.
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You rationalise this way a lot. Of course, it’s only about €3m/week less per EU nation. Buttons in the scheme of things.
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And yet the Dutch are adamant they're not paying any more, I dou t the Germans will be too keen (etc), the net recipients seem keen not to receive any less...
Peanuts in the overall scheme of things. But many member states seem to have a serious nut allergy, and the EU has no epi' pen.
I will take no more joy from proceedings on this topic than the EU took at our machinations. It will simply be interesting watching it pan out.
DeepEnd said:
But let them enjoy the sweet taste of what they think is “some foreigners suffering”. It could be their only brexit benefit (even though it is illusionary).
What a disgusting and deliberately aggravating ignorant post.You truly are scraping the bottom of the barrel with this crap, proof indeed that you’re not in any way invested in the topic, rather that you would continually try to deliberately derail things with this offensive bile.
Shameful.
166 MM Barchetta said:
DeepEnd said:
But let them enjoy the sweet taste of what they think is “some foreigners suffering”. It could be their only brexit benefit (even though it is illusionary).
What a disgusting and deliberately aggravating ignorant post.You truly are scraping the bottom of the barrel with this crap, proof indeed that you’re not in any way invested in the topic, rather that you would continually try to deliberately derail things with this offensive bile.
Shameful.
166 MM Barchetta said:
DeepEnd said:
But let them enjoy the sweet taste of what they think is “some foreigners suffering”. It could be their only brexit benefit (even though it is illusionary).
What a disgusting and deliberately aggravating ignorant post.You truly are scraping the bottom of the barrel with this crap, proof indeed that you’re not in any way invested in the topic, rather that you would continually try to deliberately derail things with this offensive bile.
Shameful.
It contains lots of gloating posts by Brexiteers.
Jazzer77 said:
166 MM Barchetta said:
DeepEnd said:
But let them enjoy the sweet taste of what they think is “some foreigners suffering”. It could be their only brexit benefit (even though it is illusionary).
What a disgusting and deliberately aggravating ignorant post.You truly are scraping the bottom of the barrel with this crap, proof indeed that you’re not in any way invested in the topic, rather that you would continually try to deliberately derail things with this offensive bile.
Shameful.
It contains lots of gloating posts by Brexiteers.
I have thanks, and a few previous volumes too, what’s your point?
I can only take from your post that you think this kind of thing is acceptable so long as someone else said similar?
By all means go find and then quote things that are comparable in hate and ignorance by “brexiteers”, maybe post them up and stoke things a little more.
The thing is the matter of “brexit” and “remain” is over, we’ve left and yet here we are with posters raking up hate as some sort of justification of their bitter outlook.
This topic is meant to be about the negotiations, and since the end of January I’d say it now has much more relevance and should be more focused and interesting but we still have utter idiots posting hate, bile and other stupid trolling nonsense about “believing enough” etc.
The post I highlighted is simply the pinnacle of the posters continuous campaign of trolling, divisive hate mongering and deliberate baiting in order to disrupt a subject they clearly have no actual knowledge or interest in.
I do have an interest in it, I’m fascinated by people’s views and hopes.
I voted remain, I’m handing over my business to my son and we trade into the EU as well as the rest of the world, we have employees and clients to think about and I read opinions and views with interest.
Deepends contribution is frankly pathetic and offensive, magnified more so as we have actually left so his hate and bile is exposed further.
Back to the chat about the subject please........
166 MM Barchetta said:
I have thanks, and a few previous volumes too, what’s your point?
I can only take from your post that you think this kind of thing is acceptable so long as someone else said similar?
By all means go find and then quote things that are comparable in hate and ignorance by “brexiteers”, maybe post them up and stoke things a little more.
The thing is the matter of “brexit” and “remain” is over, we’ve left and yet here we are with posters raking up hate as some sort of justification of their bitter outlook.
This topic is meant to be about the negotiations, and since the end of January I’d say it now has much more relevance and should be more focused and interesting but we still have utter idiots posting hate, bile and other stupid trolling nonsense about “believing enough” etc.
The post I highlighted is simply the pinnacle of the posters continuous campaign of trolling, divisive hate mongering and deliberate baiting in order to disrupt a subject they clearly have no actual knowledge or interest in.
I do have an interest in it, I’m fascinated by people’s views and hopes.
I voted remain, I’m handing over my business to my son and we trade into the EU as well as the rest of the world, we have employees and clients to think about and I read opinions and views with interest.
Deepends contribution is frankly pathetic and offensive, magnified more so as we have actually left so his hate and bile is exposed further.
Back to the chat about the subject please........
I can only take from your post that you think this kind of thing is acceptable so long as someone else said similar?
By all means go find and then quote things that are comparable in hate and ignorance by “brexiteers”, maybe post them up and stoke things a little more.
The thing is the matter of “brexit” and “remain” is over, we’ve left and yet here we are with posters raking up hate as some sort of justification of their bitter outlook.
This topic is meant to be about the negotiations, and since the end of January I’d say it now has much more relevance and should be more focused and interesting but we still have utter idiots posting hate, bile and other stupid trolling nonsense about “believing enough” etc.
The post I highlighted is simply the pinnacle of the posters continuous campaign of trolling, divisive hate mongering and deliberate baiting in order to disrupt a subject they clearly have no actual knowledge or interest in.
I do have an interest in it, I’m fascinated by people’s views and hopes.
I voted remain, I’m handing over my business to my son and we trade into the EU as well as the rest of the world, we have employees and clients to think about and I read opinions and views with interest.
Deepends contribution is frankly pathetic and offensive, magnified more so as we have actually left so his hate and bile is exposed further.
Back to the chat about the subject please........
stongle said:
Brooking10 said:
It’s a question of whether one believes in mitigation or contagion.
There are some who believe that Brexit affords mitigation in the event of a Euro banking collapse.
There are others, me included, who believe our economic fortunes as far as any potential banking crisis are concerned are intertwined as a result of history and geography as opposed to membership.
Its both though.There are some who believe that Brexit affords mitigation in the event of a Euro banking collapse.
There are others, me included, who believe our economic fortunes as far as any potential banking crisis are concerned are intertwined as a result of history and geography as opposed to membership.
Mitigation - well known the ESMA / ECB and EC cannot coordinate in a crisis. They cannot pull circuit breakers, they have overly centralised risks - whilst engaging into a race to the bottom of capital and loss protection buffers (you want me to explain how EUREX and Deutsche Boerse became complicit in Cum Ex trading support, banana skins everywhere).
Any crisis leads to Contagion, that we are not immune. We may be out of the EURO - the fallout we are not. They cannot contain the liabilities so an EU wide bail in is a high enough probability event (or Italy on a grander scale). At the very least they end up with a fiscal headache - none can support. Those budget discussions that collapsed yesterday would look like Puffin Club trying to decide on Blue or Pink Fairy Cakes. If there is any form of crisis, we are going to get decades of economic policy laid bare. Using leverage / debt to counter for poor wage inflation (as is written everywhere), coupled with zero growth, zero inflation, savings timebomb and green initiatives - really isn't a conundrum anyone wants to or should be testing. These factors are not independent, they are largely interlinked.
The fallout is so painful, it totally alters the political construct and aims - probably into a fully federal state. That ain't ever going to fly here. You know it.
Being out-with the EU is, in my opinion, of practically zero use as a point of real-world mitigation in the event of a Euro currency collapse.
I absolutely agree with you that political intervention is going to be required to drive fiscal policy/stability and it has the potential to be on an unprecedented scale. My gut is that will be when countries really put themselves first and the EU second BUT the Euro will not vanish amidst a glorious return to Deutschmarks, Francs, Guilders, Lira et al. It's going to be a hell of balancing act. In some ways I'm glad that that the UK won't have to be at that table but nonetheless it really, really needs to keep a watchful eye on what the table ends up ordering because there are going to be ramifications.
Either way, the idea I believe I see suggested by some that we are storing up immunity in event of a crisis "because Brexit" is, once again in my opinion, fatuous.
In some cases depending on the correspondent such views come from varying positions of naivety, ignorance and indeed a touch, in some really dim quarters, of schadenfreude.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 22 February 19:59
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