Coronavirus - Is this the killer flu that will wipe us out?
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I don’t think it can be contained.
Seems 98% or so survive, and that elderly or already less healthy are most likely to die.
Question - of the 98% who survive, what amount needed hospital treatment (ventilators, etc).
Because if we all get it there won’t be enough hospital places for everyone.
Seems 98% or so survive, and that elderly or already less healthy are most likely to die.
Question - of the 98% who survive, what amount needed hospital treatment (ventilators, etc).
Because if we all get it there won’t be enough hospital places for everyone.
RTB said:
The indirect consequences will probably do more harm than the virus I agree.
I'm also concerned for elderly relatives, my dad is in his 80s with a number of co-morbidities, my mum is an ex-smoker in her 70s. Both are in the risk group for severe complications, but they're in a risk group for severe complications from a whole range of other things we can't do anything about as well.
I'm not as worried as I was, not because I think the risk has lessened but because it was proving to be a completely pointless exercise. Just like breathlessly reporting every new case that pops up around the world is a pointless exercise, it doesn't add anything, doesn't inform any decision, it just pulls on the panic strings a little bit more.
Presumably, some people like the thrill of an unfolding crisis.
I think some people are more interested in unfolding world events than others.I'm also concerned for elderly relatives, my dad is in his 80s with a number of co-morbidities, my mum is an ex-smoker in her 70s. Both are in the risk group for severe complications, but they're in a risk group for severe complications from a whole range of other things we can't do anything about as well.
I'm not as worried as I was, not because I think the risk has lessened but because it was proving to be a completely pointless exercise. Just like breathlessly reporting every new case that pops up around the world is a pointless exercise, it doesn't add anything, doesn't inform any decision, it just pulls on the panic strings a little bit more.
Presumably, some people like the thrill of an unfolding crisis.
I think there's some value in knowing about the first case in a new country (eg mainland Spain, Austria, Switzerland) and then knowing if a particular country is showing signs of significant spread (eg. Iran, Italy).
But yes, there then comes a point when I think there isn't really much value in knowing about every single new case or death in a country that already has a significant number of each.
My dad has COPD and I feel like there are some things I can try and do about this virus:
a) I talk to him about it and make sure he is aware of the risk it poses and the need to be particularly careful with hand washing etc etc
b) If/when significant spread starts becoming apparent here, I can make a personal judgement on when I feel it would be best to refrain from seeing him for a while (in case I were asymptomatically or presymptomatically infected)
RTB said:
nffcforever said:
I'm concerned about the direct consequences of virus not so much for myself, but more so for elderly relatives, and just for those groups of people more generally who may be more at risk.
I'm probably more concerned about the indirect consequences right now.
Just like breathlessly reporting every new case that pops up around the world is a pointless exercise.I'm probably more concerned about the indirect consequences right now.
Some people etc
Maybe, but again it's very informative.
Some here seem to be taking the Micheal (not you), assume they're single/lack offspring and parents long gone (have zero friends).
Ref ICU; local hospital has 10 beds, population around 120k in this area, watched a family member slowly die in one of those said units last year, all units were full, best of luck.
Edited by superkartracer on Tuesday 25th February 16:08
cptsideways said:
WindyCommon said:
What steps do you believe should have been taken?
Not taking school loads of kids through mass transport hubs on holiday for a start. Air travel should only be essential and even then taking strict precautions. I don't know if anyone else has noticed how almost all the international cases are linked via air travel. For the Italians to say they don't know how the random cases are linked is just stupid. Doctor goes on holiday, gets bug, goes home, goes to work bingo hospital cases pop up.
The UK current policy is go out get infected, pass it on, then when you get back get a check only if symptoms develop, if you can be arsed. Meanwhile passing it on without a doubt.
We know a good percentage of those who go on and develop it but tested negative initaily but positive later!
I'd like to think my local health region have enough trained staff, beds and even temp facilities in place ready and waiting. We know this won't be the case!
Yes this would be restrictive & even destructive to business but the genie is out now and we're going to be stuffed good and proper later, rather than sooner but milder.
I see little difference between Wuhan and what might happen in say the East end of London or Birmingham. The Chinese system has the ability to contain it using Draconian measures, something that simply won't happen here.
But most people just carry on, not because they are necessarily selfish, it’s mostly because they have absolutely f
k all idea about anything going on in the world, whether it be politics, the economy, terrorism, global pandemics etc. There’s literally millions who could not tell you what political party the “leader of the free world” represents, they could not tell you the name of the chancellor, they’re fking utterly clueless about anything outside their own circle. So that’s why they just carry on regardless because they are “regardless”. They expect the govt and the airport or travel agent to tell them what they need to know and give them what they need. They won’t even consider taking the most basic of steps to try to protect themselves or their loved ones. It doesn’t enter their brains. They just think if something bad happens, someone else will sort it out for them.
I remember an interview with some UK people in Tunisia about 6 months after the beach shootings. They were asking them did they feel safe, and they started replying yeah, fine, don’t go out in the dark and only carry cards etc.....interviewer says, no, I don’t mean theft, I mean following the shootings and murders in June last year.......they didn’t have a f
king clue! Utter muppets. And sadly the world is full of these sort of people. red_slr said:
Dr John saying takes at least 2 weeks from infection for complications to develop so many of the cases in Italy will have been infected for over 2 weeks.
Dr John also worried about the virus getting into prisons and hospitals. Obviously the latter being a serious problem.
You mean since about a week after they declared a state of emergency there due to Coronavirus.........Dr John also worried about the virus getting into prisons and hospitals. Obviously the latter being a serious problem.
V6 Pushfit said:
Err no. If anything it shows how seriously this has to be taken and how important it is that no one wanders off to the shops feeling ill because they're that 'ard.
In regard to the numbers themselves they're what they are, sorry. If you want to discuss please do, and if you want to have a go about there being 24 hours in a day or that there's sodium in seawater I'm sure there are forums elsewhere.
Just as well then that the people who actually have to decide what happens seem to use a smidge more common sense than simply using the cfr numbers as they come up 'because they are what they are' and moronically believing those figures because the country would have been utterly paralysed if the government had taken your cfr at 30% at the time.In regard to the numbers themselves they're what they are, sorry. If you want to discuss please do, and if you want to have a go about there being 24 hours in a day or that there's sodium in seawater I'm sure there are forums elsewhere.
This directly effects my ability to work or want to go to work I'm freelance, I would normally take 10 flights a year round Europe and a few for leisure. I'm currently choosing not to & it will directly effect my ability to earn income, ski trips to Europe via flights canned etc.
I hate airports anyway so I'm glad to some degree 😁
I too am more concerned about the knock on effects, though I've been saying for ages something will trigger the next big house price crash, the next great depression etc. This is it folks! If your work involves global business prepare to be stuffed, that shiny new house on 90 percent mortgage and that cheap PCP is going to start looking like something many can't afford when the redundancies kick in. Luckily fuel will be cheap though for those with a V8 😁
I hate airports anyway so I'm glad to some degree 😁
I too am more concerned about the knock on effects, though I've been saying for ages something will trigger the next big house price crash, the next great depression etc. This is it folks! If your work involves global business prepare to be stuffed, that shiny new house on 90 percent mortgage and that cheap PCP is going to start looking like something many can't afford when the redundancies kick in. Luckily fuel will be cheap though for those with a V8 😁
The hygiene side is the worrying bit. Hospital near me I wouldn't dare use its facilities (ie toilets) unless desperate. People today don't seem to consider washing hands as important, gawd knows why?
Was in what I thought was a decent restaurant recently and my mrs had gone into the loo. She points out young woman who'd gone in at same time who came out with three kids - no washing of hands - any of 'em!
On same subject, wonder what this Extinction Rebellion thicko photographed last week does for a living?
Probably she doesn't work - one can live in hope!
Then again, hospital receptionist, dental receptionist, fast food chain?
Was in what I thought was a decent restaurant recently and my mrs had gone into the loo. She points out young woman who'd gone in at same time who came out with three kids - no washing of hands - any of 'em!
On same subject, wonder what this Extinction Rebellion thicko photographed last week does for a living?
Probably she doesn't work - one can live in hope!
Then again, hospital receptionist, dental receptionist, fast food chain?
Leithen said:
red_slr said:
Gregmitchell said:
UK data is very late...
still nothing?Today is the 25th?
"As of 24 February, a total of 6,536 people have been tested in the UK, of which 6,527 were confirmed negative and 9 positive. These figures do not include the 4 confirmed cases from the Diamond Princess cruise ship who arrived in the UK and received test results from Japan. These will be included once we receive the UK tests for these patients."
TheJimi said:
Leithen said:
red_slr said:
Gregmitchell said:
UK data is very late...
still nothing?Today is the 25th?
"As of 24 February, a total of 6,536 people have been tested in the UK, of which 6,527 were confirmed negative and 9 positive. These figures do not include the 4 confirmed cases from the Diamond Princess cruise ship who arrived in the UK and received test results from Japan. These will be included once we receive the UK tests for these patients."
eharding said:
The change log for that document states that it was updated today, but only the advice to travellers - log entries generally indicate a change to the numbers, with additional log entries if other parts have changed.
Published 24 January 2020 Last updated 25 February 2020
25 February 2020
Updated advice for returning travellers.
24 February 2020
Updated test result figures.
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