Theresa May

[anonymous-user]

Tuna said:

Ghibli said:

So all EU citizens and the rest of the world who obtain EU visas will be able to travel to the UK unchecked if they travel through Ireland.

Is that taking control of our borders.

You do know it's possible to distinguish between an EU citizen and someone with an EU visa?

Any thoughts on where these checks will happen if there is no border between NI and the UK.

[davepoth]

Ghibli said:

Any thoughts on where these checks will happen if there is no border between NI and the UK.

In exactly the place they do now for 3rd country immigrants through Ireland. As I mentioned previously, this is an existing system that doesn't need to (and won't) change as a result of Brexit.

[anonymous-user]

davepoth said:

Ghibli said:

Any thoughts on where these checks will happen if there is no border between NI and the UK.

In exactly the place they do now for 3rd country immigrants through Ireland. As I mentioned previously, this is an existing system that doesn't need to (and won't) change as a result of Brexit.

Which border would that be.

[jjlynn27]

don'tbesilly said:

jjlynn27 said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

Surely that can't be correct.

May claimed yesterday no explanation of why Chequer's is unacceptable has been given.

Or could it just be May refusing to hear what she doesn't want to hear?

He didn't say anything in that statement that wasn't publicly known and said before. Completely consistent with everything that they said before. But then, you just need to see the posts like people picking random tweet from the internet and ascribing it to Tusk, with all the bile that follows.

I think you meant the one/two people who got sucked into what many others wrote off as a fabricated tweet, despite the dressing/spin you've applied.

There is no spin. Everything above stands. How many leave voters 'wrote off as a fabricated tweet'? You can do numbers or percentages.

[don'tbesilly]

jjlynn27 said:

don'tbesilly said:

jjlynn27 said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

Surely that can't be correct.

May claimed yesterday no explanation of why Chequer's is unacceptable has been given.

Or could it just be May refusing to hear what she doesn't want to hear?

He didn't say anything in that statement that wasn't publicly known and said before. Completely consistent with everything that they said before. But then, you just need to see the posts like people picking random tweet from the internet and ascribing it to Tusk, with all the bile that follows.

I think you meant the one/two people who got sucked into what many others wrote off as a fabricated tweet, despite the dressing/spin you've applied.

There is no spin. Everything above stands. How many leave voters 'wrote off as a fabricated tweet'? You can do numbers or percentages.

Pop back and have a look, and let me know, there's a poppet, thanks

[Pistom]

MC Bodge said:

I'm still unsure as to what the benefits of this glorious exercise are going to be.

I say let's give it a go for 10 years and see how it goes. Sometimes it's only with hindsight that it's possible to see that the right decision was made.

Everyone knew there would be a few changes to go through which will involve a bit of pain and that's all we're seeing right now.

I think even no deal would now be better than turning around and staying if that was even possible as the resentment and bad feeling that such a situation would create would be even more damaging.

I think I'm going to be a net loser of the exit decision but there is no point worrying about something I'm powerless to do anything about.

[Kccv23highliftcam]

jjlynn27 said:

He didn't say anything in that statement that wasn't publicly known and said before. Completely consistent with everything that they said before. But then, you just need to see the posts like people picking random tweet from the internet and ascribing it to Tusk, with all the bile that follows.

If that is your level of accuracy, then perhaps it just as well you are limited to a car forum....

[jjlynn27]

Kccv23highliftcam said:

jjlynn27 said:

He didn't say anything in that statement that wasn't publicly known and said before. Completely consistent with everything that they said before. But then, you just need to see the posts like people picking random tweet from the internet and ascribing it to Tusk, with all the bile that follows.

If that is your level of accuracy, then perhaps it just as well you are limited to a car forum....

After the abject idiocy of "Tom Watson oh fk wrong Watson" thread, you managed to get conned into believing that a random post was from Tusk. Well done. Even Hans figured out that it was fake.

But enough about that, you were whining about guns and uniforms what was that about?

[Kccv23highliftcam]

jjlynn27 said:

Kccv23highliftcam said:

jjlynn27 said:

He didn't say anything in that statement that wasn't publicly known and said before. Completely consistent with everything that they said before. But then, you just need to see the posts like people picking random tweet from the internet and ascribing it to Tusk, with all the bile that follows.

If that is your level of accuracy, then perhaps it just as well you are limited to a car forum....

After the abject idiocy of "Tom Watson oh fk wrong Watson" thread, you managed to get conned into believing that a random post was from Tusk. Well done. Even Hans figured out that it was fake.

But enough about that, you were whining about guns and uniforms what was that about?

Well yes, I did make a mistake, but one I freely admitted to and well stood up and took the flaming, what there was of it.

You, on the other hand, would have difficulty seeing the trees in a forest.

[saaby93]

What would it cost for the rest of Ireland to leave the EU?

[jjlynn27]

Kccv23highliftcam said:

jjlynn27 said:

Kccv23highliftcam said:

jjlynn27 said:

He didn't say anything in that statement that wasn't publicly known and said before. Completely consistent with everything that they said before. But then, you just need to see the posts like people picking random tweet from the internet and ascribing it to Tusk, with all the bile that follows.

If that is your level of accuracy, then perhaps it just as well you are limited to a car forum....

After the abject idiocy of "Tom Watson oh fk wrong Watson" thread, you managed to get conned into believing that a random post was from Tusk. Well done. Even Hans figured out that it was fake.

But enough about that, you were whining about guns and uniforms what was that about?

Well yes, I did make a mistake, but one I freely admitted to and well stood up and took the flaming, what there was of it.

You, on the other hand, would have difficulty seeing the trees in a forest.

Freely admitted after five people pointed out that Tom is not Mike?

Now, do you understand that that twit didn't come from Tusk or you are still struggling? Forget wood and trees, I didn't get conned by random, rather obviously sarcastic twit. What triggered you about guns and uniforms?

[Tuna]

Ghibli said:

Tuna said:

Ghibli said:

So all EU citizens and the rest of the world who obtain EU visas will be able to travel to the UK unchecked if they travel through Ireland.

Is that taking control of our borders.

You do know it's possible to distinguish between an EU citizen and someone with an EU visa?

Any thoughts on where these checks will happen if there is no border between NI and the UK.

Seriously? If you don't understand how this stuff currently happens, you really can't make any comments on NI, or immigration in the UK. This is basic stuff, yet you think you've got a special insight into Brexit?

[Earthdweller]

Ghibli said:

davepoth said:

Ghibli said:

Any thoughts on where these checks will happen if there is no border between NI and the UK.

In exactly the place they do now for 3rd country immigrants through Ireland. As I mentioned previously, this is an existing system that doesn't need to (and won't) change as a result of Brexit.

Which border would that be.

ROI and U.K. are not part of the schengen zone

You have to have a passport to enter either country.. travel between the two is covered by the CTA which dates back to the founding of the free state in 1922

U.K. <> ROI travel is not an EU issue.

Citizens of both have travel and residency rights afforded by the 1922 agreement

Any citizens of other countries cannot enter without ID

Therefore U.K. and ROI effectively police each others external borders and have done since the founding of the free state

Edited by Earthdweller on Saturday 22 September 23:05

[don'tbesilly]

Earthdweller said:

Ghibli said:

davepoth said:

Ghibli said:

Any thoughts on where these checks will happen if there is no border between NI and the UK.

In exactly the place they do now for 3rd country immigrants through Ireland. As I mentioned previously, this is an existing system that doesn't need to (and won't) change as a result of Brexit.

Which border would that be.

ROI and U.K. are not part of the schengen zone

You have to have a passport to enter either country.. travel between the two is covered by the CTA which dates back to the founding of the free state in 1922

U.K. <> ROI travel is not an EU issue.

Citizens of both have travel and residency rights afforded by the 1922 agreement

Any citizens of other countries cannot enter without ID

Therefore U.K. and ROI effectively police each others external borders and have done since the founding of the free state

Edited by Earthdweller on Saturday 22 September 23:05

Ghibli has been told all of the above countless times by nearly as many posters, he's either very forgetful or is winding people up, I suspect the latter.

[Murph7355]

don'tbesilly said:

Ghibli has been told all of the above countless times by nearly as many posters, he's either very forgetful or is winding people up, I suspect the latter.

Moreover the EU don't seem to mention "people" in the "difficulties" around NI.

And on goods, Barnier himself seems to have intimated recently that goods can be checked away from the border. Just as happens with goods from other countries not in the EU (unless we think ALL gods from ALL other countries are checked at physical border posts by men in caps?).

The issue is a non-issue. It's been used as a play and we've allowed it to be so. It's a disgrace on both sides IMO - "concern" about terrorism restarting being used to force a position. Unsavoury.

[V8 Fettler]

Applying logic to May's recent actions, she can only be a closet, hardline no-dealer.

Appears to offer compromise to both sides (Chequers)
Both sides reject the compromise
The only remaining option is WTO with hard borders

[anonymous-user]

Earthdweller said:

ROI and U.K. are not part of the schengen zone

You have to have a passport to enter either country.. travel between the two is covered by the CTA which dates back to the founding of the free state in 1922

U.K. <> ROI travel is not an EU issue.

Citizens of both have travel and residency rights afforded by the 1922 agreement

Any citizens of other countries cannot enter without ID

Therefore U.K. and ROI effectively police each others external borders and have done since the founding of the free state

Edited by Earthdweller on Saturday 22 September 23:05

We will be a 3rd country to the EU yet citizens will have access to the UK through the ROI who will have freedom of movement.

Will we be having a border between NI and the Uk. If there is no border, how will people be checked.

The ROI will not be stopping EU citizens or 3rd country citizens who have EU visas. Will an EU visa be valid for use in the UK after we have left.

[anonymous-user]

Tuna said:

Seriously? If you don't understand how this stuff currently happens, you really can't make any comments on NI, or immigration in the UK. This is basic stuff, yet you think you've got a special insight into Brexit?

Seriously, you have been asked the question twice now and you haven't answered.

I'm still laughing at your comments on the Irish border thread.

[saaby93]

V8 Fettler said:

Applying logic to May's recent actions, she can only be a closet, hardline no-dealer.

Appears to offer compromise to both sides (Chequers)
Both sides reject the compromise
The only remaining option is WTO with hard borders

Except for this business of Ireland and UK since 1922 have had just about open borders.
Ireland Denmark and UK joined the EU on 1st Jan 1973
All in or All out?

[Jazzy Jag]

saaby93 said:

What would it cost for the rest of Ireland to leave the EU?

If they are still net beneficiaries from EU membership I can't see them wanting to leave.

What would it cost the UK to convince them to walk away?