General Election July 2024
Discussion
James6112 said:
bodhi said:
Gary C said:
Boris's lips are moving
Therefore he's lying.
So he's a politician then? Therefore he's lying.
The Tory client press would like you to think they are, it’s their only desperate defence.
Dont be groomed by them
carlo996 said:
Apart from the hilarious quote, long dead, they are all the same. Because, when you give people power and a certain level of authority and anonymity you'll always find, it corrupts. But, go you.....for trying. It's genuinely endearing.
There are however differences in initial levels of corruption and rates of increase in corruption both in relation to time as well as level of power/authority/anonymity.What's the betting we see Rishi using this story as proof that the numbers of small boats arriving on these shores will start to climb within days of a Labour government being elected?
James6112 said:
They are not all the same.
The Tory client press would like you to think they are, it’s their only desperate defence.
Dont be groomed by them
I've been forced to work with a three MPs in my job, going to meetings and listening to what they say and then watching what they later do. To suggest, as many do, that they are all the same says more about them than MPs. Two of them were not ambitious with regards to rank in their party. The third was destined for higher ground. Two good ones, one of them the best constituency MP I've known, and one absolute deadbeat.The Tory client press would like you to think they are, it’s their only desperate defence.
Dont be groomed by them
To an extent, MPs, and those who aspire to the role, have similar outlooks, such is the requirements of being a politician, but my MP once went up against Johnson on a matter of principle (the MP's rather than the void that was Johnson) knowing that he'd suffer some kind of punishment, although probably not the viciousness of it. He retired and was replaced by a totally transparent Johnson Yes woman who has, for this election, jumped ship to an adjacent constituency because her lack of effort in this one is likely to be rewarded by her being rejected.
All those who suggest MPs are 'all the same' are all, every one, guilty of conceit.
So we are now in the fantasy land of conscription. A policy that everyone thinks that all the old people will love and all the young people will hate.
The old people will love it because they will feel it should have been brought back years ago.
The young people will hate it because its... well conscription.
But here's the kicker. Because if the Conservatives do get in and introduce it, you will have an entire generation who will never, EVER vote them again. And those young people will be around a hell of a lot longer than the old ones.
Doesn't matter, its unworkable tosh anyway. Legal challenges, enforcement, registration, computer systems, medical exemptions, recruiting and vetting extra staff, possible creation on the internet of organised and violent disruption......
The idea of groups of people cleaning up the environment is a great one and I have thought it would be an excellent exercise But then you think....
Legal challenges, enforcement, registration, computer systems, medical exemptions, recruiting and vetting extra staff, possible creation on the internet of organised and violent disruption...... Oh and add on lawsuits for trauma caused by sweeping up old full nappies, rotting food and syringes and this policy has no chance of ever being introduced.
Just f
king fix the armed forces we already have.
Next week! Its lets bring back the death penalty!
The old people will love it because they will feel it should have been brought back years ago.
The young people will hate it because its... well conscription.
But here's the kicker. Because if the Conservatives do get in and introduce it, you will have an entire generation who will never, EVER vote them again. And those young people will be around a hell of a lot longer than the old ones.
Doesn't matter, its unworkable tosh anyway. Legal challenges, enforcement, registration, computer systems, medical exemptions, recruiting and vetting extra staff, possible creation on the internet of organised and violent disruption......
The idea of groups of people cleaning up the environment is a great one and I have thought it would be an excellent exercise But then you think....
Legal challenges, enforcement, registration, computer systems, medical exemptions, recruiting and vetting extra staff, possible creation on the internet of organised and violent disruption...... Oh and add on lawsuits for trauma caused by sweeping up old full nappies, rotting food and syringes and this policy has no chance of ever being introduced.
Just f
king fix the armed forces we already have.Next week! Its lets bring back the death penalty!
dbdb said:
Are the two main parties competing to see who can dream up the most absurd policy? National Service? - That's only marginally less ridiculous than voting at sixteen.
What an awful choice we are faced with. It is dispiriting.
What insane policy have Labour come out with?What an awful choice we are faced with. It is dispiriting.
Voting at 16 is perfectly reasonable.
xeny said:
The human brain on average matures at about 25, so on that basis the age should be raised.
If the argument is when do we start treating people with adult responsibilities/privileges, then does voting need more or less maturity than driving a car?
Or using a smartphone wisely, according to the education select committee. One day after finishing with being 15, sorted!If the argument is when do we start treating people with adult responsibilities/privileges, then does voting need more or less maturity than driving a car?
MiniMan64 said:
dbdb said:
Lowering the voting age to sixteen is base gerrymandering which is why tribal Labour supporters like it. Sixteen year olds have neither the maturity nor the life experience to vote. They are children. Eighteen is right.
They can reproduce, work, pay tax, join the Army…I can't say I have especially strong feelings on it but it makes sense from that perspective.
Also if you can do those things but shouldn't get a vote in how your tax is spent the reverse seems only fair.
We have tests to see if the elderly are still fit to drive perhaps we should consider the same around whether they're still fit to make an informed decision when voting.
dbdb said:
Lowering the voting age to sixteen is base gerrymandering which is why tribal Labour supporters like it. Sixteen year olds have neither the maturity nor the life experience to vote. They are children. Eighteen is right.
The lower the age, the lower the turnout for general elections. 18-24 year old turnout was around 50% in 2019 vs ~75% for 45-50 year olds.Can't imagine many 16 year olds being too invested in polling unless Labour are so concerned they need to scrape up a few school kids to help them next time.
xeny said:
The human brain on average matures at about 25, so on that basis the age should be raised.
If the argument is when do we start treating people with adult responsibilities/privileges, then does voting need more or less maturity than driving a car?
I wonder what the upper age limit should be due to age related brain deterioration?If the argument is when do we start treating people with adult responsibilities/privileges, then does voting need more or less maturity than driving a car?
MiniMan64 said:
dbdb said:
Lowering the voting age to sixteen is base gerrymandering which is why tribal Labour supporters like it. Sixteen year olds have neither the maturity nor the life experience to vote. They are children. Eighteen is right.
They can reproduce, work, pay tax, join the Army…
p1stonhead said:
dbdb said:
Are the two main parties competing to see who can dream up the most absurd policy? National Service? - That's only marginally less ridiculous than voting at sixteen.
What an awful choice we are faced with. It is dispiriting.
What insane policy have Labour come out with?What an awful choice we are faced with. It is dispiriting.
Voting at 16 is perfectly reasonable.
119 said:
MiniMan64 said:
dbdb said:
Lowering the voting age to sixteen is base gerrymandering which is why tribal Labour supporters like it. Sixteen year olds have neither the maturity nor the life experience to vote. They are children. Eighteen is right.
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