Coronavirus - Is this the killer flu that will wipe us out?

[Maxf]

Jim on the hill said:

It does seem on this thread alot of people fancy a month off and are happy for the military, emergency services, power suppliers, water suppliers and I would hazard a guess broadband and Netflix people to keep going to work.

Of course they should all still get paid or not have to pay the mortgage. I wonder if they would be happy for their tenants to not pay rent for the month?

They are also generally fairly ok with only old people (60+ is where is starts getting sketchy) or people with 'existing health issues' (diabetes etc) to die.

[RTB]

p1stonhead said:

Even more baffling as to why a tiny region of Italy has loads then and London, Newyork, Paris etc have ZERO?!

As I've said before it's either widespread and difficult to detect or its serious. I can't see how it can be both widespread and serious as that would make it easy to detect.

I wish they (WHO) would back up their statements with a summary of the evidence they have. Essentially they have said that something they can't detect doesn't exist. I'm sure that's not the case, but a reasonable amount of detail to back up why they think that is the case would be nice.

[Maxf]

RTB said:

As I've said before it's either widespread and difficult to detect or its serious. I can't see how it can be both widespread and serious as that would make it easy to detect.

I wish they (WHO) would back up their statements with a summary of the evidence they have. Essentially they have said that something they can't detect doesn't exist. I'm sure that's not the case, but a reasonable amount of detail to back up why they think that is the case would be nice.

The live briefing by Bruce Aylward (team leader for the WHO in China) said that one China province had tested 350,000 people and only found 0.04% (IIRC) positive. It's really fascinating and well worth a watch - the scale of China's response is amazing in terms of the hospitals and equipment.

Edited by Maxf on Tuesday 25th February 17:40

[anonymous-user]

Ridgemont said:

V6 Pushfit said:

Leithen said:

Bad news from WHO presser - no evidence of lots of undetected mild cases

Maybe most important (and bad) news: Aylward says mission found no evidence of lots of undetected mild #covid19 cases. That would mean percentage of severe cases and percentage of deaths we’re seeing now is real. Not what anyone wanted to hear

Oh st

In some ways there could be some good news from this - that isolation may work (curve flattening) and that the exponential rise isnt happening with the veracity originally expected.

I think there’s a lot of scepticism about the statements around no evidence of undetected cases. The comments on the twitter thread from various professionals query how the WHO can state that without a lot more confidence on the China situation.

WHO seem like a shower of ste. Cursory advice and misrepresentation, and have they declared a pandemic yet? Nope nothing to see here.

[Jim on the hill]

V6 Pushfit said:

Ridgemont said:

V6 Pushfit said:

Leithen said:

Bad news from WHO presser - no evidence of lots of undetected mild cases

Maybe most important (and bad) news: Aylward says mission found no evidence of lots of undetected mild #covid19 cases. That would mean percentage of severe cases and percentage of deaths we’re seeing now is real. Not what anyone wanted to hear

Oh st

In some ways there could be some good news from this - that isolation may work (curve flattening) and that the exponential rise isnt happening with the veracity originally expected.

I think there’s a lot of scepticism about the statements around no evidence of undetected cases. The comments on the twitter thread from various professionals query how the WHO can state that without a lot more confidence on the China situation.

WHO seem like a shower of ste. Cursory advice and misrepresentation, and have they declared a pandemic yet? Nope nothing to see here.

The WHO state worldwide before Pandemic status

https://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/frequentl...

Whilst I would say it's worldwide possibly they are waiting to see cases on every continent?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/location...

I do think declaring a Pandemic in the UK will not help us. This thread demonstrates people will not cancel their holidays unless they absolutely have no choice.

[W12GT]

V6 Pushfit said:

WHO seem like a shower of ste. Cursory advice and misrepresentation, and have they declared a pandemic yet? Nope nothing to see here.

I was involved in a discussion about this very point today. The consensus was that it is highly probable that the WHO will end up with a massive shake down/re-badging as a result of their poor advice and the fact they hampered this from the start.

[citizensm1th]

Go take a look on the where are you going skiing thread, fking idiots

[p1stonhead]

citizensm1th said:

Go take a look on the where are you going skiing thread, fking idiots

Bit harsh. Not everyone is panicking yet. Our own government says risk to the public is low

People want to enjoy their small amounts of time off.

[emperorburger]

Nobody ever seems to die on these threads.

[Exige77]

Who will be the first PHer to get the virus ?

We can get a first hand account

Maybe one of us has had it already and it was only a sniffle ?

[anonymous-user]

p1stonhead said:

citizensm1th said:

Go take a look on the where are you going skiing thread, fking idiots

Bit harsh. Not everyone is panicking yet. Our own government says risk to the public is low

People want to enjoy their small amounts of time off.

It would be their social death to miss a weeks skiing.

[Crumpet]

Anyone started ‘prepping’? Obviously that picture of the Austrian fella earlier was on the extreme end, but my £150 weekly shop today turned into £500 of stocking up on essentials. It’s not that I’ve been cleaning Asda out of Spam and noodles, but I reckon I could manage a month without leaving the house.

It’s all normal stuff so it’ll get used whatever happens but I felt that a) if I have to self-quarantine we’ll be fairly self sufficient, and b) if there’s a mad panic buying spree I’ll have already done it!

I realise it sounds a bit mental (and genuinely I’m not that concerned) but I don’t see any harm in having the cupboards fully stocked.

[Narcisus]

V6 Pushfit said:

p1stonhead said:

citizensm1th said:

Go take a look on the where are you going skiing thread, fking idiots

Bit harsh. Not everyone is panicking yet. Our own government says risk to the public is low

People want to enjoy their small amounts of time off.

It would be their social death to miss a weeks skiing.

Why dont you pop onto the thread and invite them to join your discussion ?

[citizensm1th]

p1stonhead said:

Bit harsh. Not everyone is panicking yet. Our own government says risk to the public is low

People want to enjoy their small amounts of time off.

That dry cold air that virus's love will open up the lungs just enough to let it get good and deep inside to wreak its havoc

[eharding]

p1stonhead said:

People want to enjoy their small amounts of time off.

Some of them will be getting more time off than they had bargained for.

[p1stonhead]

citizensm1th said:

p1stonhead said:

Bit harsh. Not everyone is panicking yet. Our own government says risk to the public is low

People want to enjoy their small amounts of time off.

That dry cold air that virus's love will open up the lungs just enough to let it get good and deep inside to wreak its havoc

I certainly wouldn’t cancel a weeks skiing right now if I was about to go

[citizensm1th]

p1stonhead said:

citizensm1th said:

p1stonhead said:

Bit harsh. Not everyone is panicking yet. Our own government says risk to the public is low

People want to enjoy their small amounts of time off.

That dry cold air that virus's love will open up the lungs just enough to let it get good and deep inside to wreak its havoc

I certainly wouldn’t cancel a weeks skiing right now if I was about to go

You might want to bank on it being a 3 week trip though if it all goes tits up and the chalet maid that one member of the party is bonking gives you more than a happy ending

[FourWheelDrift]

Exige77 said:

Who will be the first PHer to get the virus ?

I coughed this morning and died, but I got better.

[Jonesy23]

Crumpet said:

Anyone started ‘prepping’? Obviously that picture of the Austrian fella earlier was on the extreme end, but my £150 weekly shop today turned into £500 of stocking up on essentials. It’s not that I’ve been cleaning Asda out of Spam and noodles, but I reckon I could manage a month without leaving the house.

It’s all normal stuff so it’ll get used whatever happens but I felt that a) if I have to self-quarantine we’ll be fairly self sufficient, and b) if there’s a mad panic buying spree I’ll have already done it!

I realise it sounds a bit mental (and genuinely I’m not that concerned) but I don’t see any harm in having the cupboards fully stocked.

There's an argument that it's sensible to be at the head of the queue in any panic, because if you leave it too late you'll be stuck without regardless of whether the panic itself is sensible or not. See the current supply situation with masks and hand sanitiser.

It wouldn't take much to have a sudden rush on the shops, so adding a bit extra ahead of time is a sensible move even if that might make the problem self fulfilling.

Full prepper is a bit much but a buffer doesn't hurt, especially with reminders of what could happen getting closer to home.

[p1stonhead]

Jonesy23 said:

Crumpet said:

Anyone started ‘prepping’? Obviously that picture of the Austrian fella earlier was on the extreme end, but my £150 weekly shop today turned into £500 of stocking up on essentials. It’s not that I’ve been cleaning Asda out of Spam and noodles, but I reckon I could manage a month without leaving the house.

It’s all normal stuff so it’ll get used whatever happens but I felt that a) if I have to self-quarantine we’ll be fairly self sufficient, and b) if there’s a mad panic buying spree I’ll have already done it!

I realise it sounds a bit mental (and genuinely I’m not that concerned) but I don’t see any harm in having the cupboards fully stocked.

There's an argument that it's sensible to be at the head of the queue in any panic, because if you leave it too late you'll be stuck without regardless of whether the panic itself is sensible or not. See the current supply situation with masks and hand sanitiser.

It wouldn't take much to have a sudden rush on the shops, so adding a bit extra ahead of time is a sensible move even if that might make the problem self fulfilling.

Full prepper is a bit much but a buffer doesn't hurt, especially with reminders of what could happen getting closer to home.

If it’s stuff that’ll last there’s no harm I guess as it’ll come off the next few months shop anyway.