Another cyclist dies in London
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On another note, loving this: http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/dutc...
We need to bear this in mind whenever our politicians are lecturing us on air quality, ask 'em to justify their f
king stupid cavalcades. Thinking of John Prescott's remark about his wife's hair, that time back, meaning his two Jags had to transport her 200 yards.
I truly believe the air quality issue will lead to far fewer ICE engines and far more bicycles in urban areas, but I'm looking forward to see how much our leaders will 'lead' on this issue. Not holding my er, breath, that's for sure.
We need to bear this in mind whenever our politicians are lecturing us on air quality, ask 'em to justify their f
king stupid cavalcades. Thinking of John Prescott's remark about his wife's hair, that time back, meaning his two Jags had to transport her 200 yards.I truly believe the air quality issue will lead to far fewer ICE engines and far more bicycles in urban areas, but I'm looking forward to see how much our leaders will 'lead' on this issue. Not holding my er, breath, that's for sure.
will_ said:
It would be amazing if the police were able to stop and fine all the drivers breaking the law - there are 1,000,000 uninsured drivers alone.
How many uninsured riders? 
Could have done with some of that on my 18th Birthday when one of them put a deep scratch all the way along my car door with their pedal as I was sat turning right. There was no room to go up the inside, but they tried anyway. Almost 30 years on and it still happens!
heebeegeetee said:
I'm not sure it is fine, and I do question the wisdom of these road schemes. With drivers like ceebeebies1965 wishing such people to be run over, Stickyfinger happy to admit he polices the roads according to his Myway Code
No I don't...I comply with the law/Police advice and keep/give 1.5meters distance between my car and cyclists whenever I am in a moving car and allow space inside when stationary as long as there is space for M/Bikes filtering on the outside. As you have told us it is they is are the most in danger on the roads. (NOT Cars or Cyclists)Heeebee please stop telling lies
Stickyfinger said:
No I don't...I comply with the law/Police advice and keep/give 1.5meters distance between my car and cyclists whenever I am in a moving car and allow space inside when stationary as long as there is space for M/Bikes filtering on the outside. As you have told us it is they is are the most in danger on the roads. (NOT Cars or Cyclists)
Heeebee please stop telling lies
Show us where the police have advised you "keep/give 1.5meters distance between my car and cyclists whenever I am in a moving car" and "allow space inside when stationary as long as there is space for M/Bikes filtering on the outside.".Heeebee please stop telling lies
I say they've said no such thing, and that you've made this up.
heebeegeetee said:
Stickyfinger said:
No I don't...I comply with the law/Police advice and keep/give 1.5meters distance between my car and cyclists whenever I am in a moving car and allow space inside when stationary as long as there is space for M/Bikes filtering on the outside. As you have told us it is they is are the most in danger on the roads. (NOT Cars or Cyclists)
Heeebee please stop telling lies
Show us where the police have advised you "keep/give 1.5meters distance between my car and cyclists whenever I am in a moving car" and "allow space inside when stationary as long as there is space for M/Bikes filtering on the outside.".Heeebee please stop telling lies
I say they've said no such thing, and that you've made this up.
And yes, lots of "advice" regarding the "Safe Space" to ensure cyclists safety = 1.5meters.
Just let me know when YOU are frustrated by a constant loop argument
Edited by Stickyfinger on Wednesday 18th October 23:23
heebeegeetee said:
DoubleD said:
If the road is set up for and allows riding against the flow of traffic then yes its fine. If not then its a very stupid thing to do.
I'm not sure it is fine, and I do question the wisdom of these road schemes. With drivers like ceebeebies1965 wishing such people to be run over, Stickyfinger happy to admit he polices the roads according to his Myway Code, drivers like this breaking a woman's spine because he thought she was a bloke http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/09/road-ra... Professor Ian Walker's research showing that drivers will deliberately pass closer (and sometime aggressively) if they don't like what the cyclist is wearing, https://www.psychologicalscience.org/uncategorized...and so on,
I just don't think that British drivers are able to cope with these schemes. If cyclists are able to proceed in both directions, I think the signs saying so need to be billboard sized, before yet another driver takes the law into his hands and injures someone or worse.
Edited by heebeegeetee on Wednesday 18th October 21:54
As we all know everyone makes mistakes.
heebeegeetee said:
No, he's made a statement which he knows to be untrue, which, along with staggering hypocrisy, has been pretty much the basis of all he's had to say on this topic.
Not explaining yourself though, are you? You accuse me of being a fantasist liar (but can't show me an example of this) and then pluck things out of the air. You asked me if drivers break the law. I told you they do. You then said they will be the types complaining about cyclists.
In your world, 31 in a 30 may turn all drivers into cycle hating monsters, but not in mine.
To have an idea of what someone breaking a law must think about cyclists, I would need to have an agenda which forced me to think that way.
You say we all have an idea. You are completely wrong. It's impossibe for you to be correct.
Some would probably call that the work of a fantasist liar.
Stickyfinger said:
I know what they all think......
And yes, lots of "advice" regarding the "Safe Space" to ensure cyclists safety = 1.5meters.
Just let me know when YOU are frustrated by a constant loop argument
Why not just answer the questions?And yes, lots of "advice" regarding the "Safe Space" to ensure cyclists safety = 1.5meters.
Just let me know when YOU are frustrated by a constant loop argument
Edited by Stickyfinger on Wednesday 18th October 23:23
Show us where the police have advised you "keep/give 1.5meters distance between my car and cyclists whenever I am in a moving car" and "allow space inside when stationary as long as there is space for M/Bikes filtering on the outside.".
heebeegeetee said:
Why not just answer the questions?
Show us where the police have advised you "keep/give 1.5meters distance between my car and cyclists whenever I am in a moving car" and "allow space inside when stationary as long as there is space for M/Bikes filtering on the outside.".
I have in the other thread...........Show us where the police have advised you "keep/give 1.5meters distance between my car and cyclists whenever I am in a moving car" and "allow space inside when stationary as long as there is space for M/Bikes filtering on the outside.".
heebeegeetee said:
Stickyfinger said:
I have in the other thread...........
No you haven't. Stop ducking it, just answer the question please.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37384899
But of course heebeebloodygeetee is never wrong so he'll argue some inane point until people get sick of him and stop replying, leaving him to think he's "won" something, which is the only thing keeping his neck from a noose at night. Could be wrong though
Edited by IanH755 on Thursday 19th October 02:46
The lea Bridge Road in London comes under Waltham Forest council who are spending loads on cycle lanes and road 'improvements'
The bottom part has lost its dedicated bus lane and has been reduced to 1 lane and a dedicated cycle lane and separate foot path.
I walk along the bottom part daily and from what i have seen perhaps 1 in 10 use the cycle lane.
In fact on one bit they have also marked a cycle lane on the main carraigeway. Which means the cyclists have even more road space at the expense of car and bus traffic.
http://www.enjoywalthamforest.co.uk/lea-bridge-roa...
http://www.enjoywalthamforest.co.uk/lea-bridge-roa...
I find it really annoying when driving as the traffic is much worse due to the constant stop start of the buses. Then you have cycles trying to squeeze past when they have a unused cycle lane feet away.
It all comes to a halt at the river lea as the neighboring council are not spending money on cycle schemes like their neighbour.
The bottom part has lost its dedicated bus lane and has been reduced to 1 lane and a dedicated cycle lane and separate foot path.
I walk along the bottom part daily and from what i have seen perhaps 1 in 10 use the cycle lane.
In fact on one bit they have also marked a cycle lane on the main carraigeway. Which means the cyclists have even more road space at the expense of car and bus traffic.
http://www.enjoywalthamforest.co.uk/lea-bridge-roa...
http://www.enjoywalthamforest.co.uk/lea-bridge-roa...
I find it really annoying when driving as the traffic is much worse due to the constant stop start of the buses. Then you have cycles trying to squeeze past when they have a unused cycle lane feet away.
It all comes to a halt at the river lea as the neighboring council are not spending money on cycle schemes like their neighbour.
IanH755 said:
heebeegeetee said:
Stickyfinger said:
I have in the other thread...........
No you haven't. Stop ducking it, just answer the question please.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37384899
But of course heebeebloodygeetee is never wrong so he'll argue some inane point until people get sick of him and stop replying, leaving him to think he's "won" something, which is the only thing keeping his neck from a noose at night. Could be wrong though
Edited by IanH755 on Thursday 19th October 02:46
That's because, contrary to what a certain lot on PH think, the police are sensible and reckon that no motorcyclist is moronic enough to be overtaking a vehicle when that vehicle is also overtaking and leaving good space to a cyclist.
Thinking back, I have seen that, once, where was it, London, anyone surprised? Equally it's often the case where slower moving traffic is being passed on both sides, oh but that's filtering excuse.
Anyway carry on the arguing folks.
You smell.
No you smell.
Your mum smells.
IanH755 said:
https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2017/01/lon...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37384899
But of course heebeebloodygeetee is never wrong so he'll argue some inane point until people get sick of him and stop replying, leaving him to think he's "won" something, which is the only thing keeping his neck from a noose at night. Could be wrong though
And as expected, both articles are clearly about motorists committing close passes. Despite some very sloppy journalism, granted, both articles state this almost immediately. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37384899
But of course heebeebloodygeetee is never wrong so he'll argue some inane point until people get sick of him and stop replying, leaving him to think he's "won" something, which is the only thing keeping his neck from a noose at night. Could be wrong though
Edited by IanH755 on Thursday 19th October 02:46
People might be able to quote sloppy journalists but they won't be able to quote the police saying anything like Stickyfinger is making up - and certainly not about bloody motorcycles .
I tell you what heebeebloodygeetee doesn't do, he doesn't make stuff up (and nor does he police the roads).
I'm sorry to bang on this regard, but what are we supposed to do? The other side of the debate just seems to have almost nothing to offer apart from fiction and fantasy, starting of course with the mythical "road tax" and "cyclists break laws" and all the rest of that garbage.
I think Stickyfinger is lying, and that's all there is to it. I'm sorry people don't like my saying so, and I'd much prefer a proper debate, but its difficult to move beyond this because that's all that's happening here. Stickyfinger is making statements which he knows to be untrue, to justify his bad behaviour towards cyclists.
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