Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)

[Vanden Saab]

Lindun said:

Johnnytheboy said:

You do sort of think they just aren't very good at this politics stuff sometimes...

I think you’ve got the wrong end of the stick. They’re doing a very good job of frustrating the government.

The memes doing the rounds like the one posted above are pretty funny if you have the ability to distance yourself from it and flip it.

Labour demand an election daily and don’t get it, then an offer is a,de and they reject it. Cue lots of wailing and gnashing of teeth and namecalling. However, if you flip it

Tories have been rejecting daily calls for an election for years, then when they want one they are surprised the opposition says “no thanks, we’re enjoying watching you squirm”.

Labour say they will vote for a GE when the bill passes and then 5 days later after the bill is passed don't....Linden says...Oh look a squirrel......

[vaud]

Lindun said:

vaud said:

I thought the objective of politics was to govern and have power (representing the people) to change for the collective good?

Ha, yeah right. How’s Utopia treating you?

Politics has been a mish mash of namecalling, false bravado and arse covering for decades.

I'm an optimist. There are still some good politicians and parliamentarians out there.

[The Don of Croy]

vaud said:

Time to industrialise it and go back to the concept of prefabrication. It's only the post WW2 stigma attached to prefabs that stops us?

Modern design technologies, visualisation and production line automation would allow a wide variety of homes to be built to much higher tolerances than the current build qualities with customization.

Goldman Sachs recently bought into a system build company chucking up boxes on a site in Chatham. If they're in presumably there's a return to be made?
The quality will need to improve over the early stuff, mind...

[vaud]

The Don of Croy said:

Goldman Sachs recently bought into a system build company chucking up boxes on a site in Chatham. If they're in presumably there's a return to be made?
The quality will need to improve over the early stuff, mind...

It's a logical model. My guess is the big house builders don't want to get into high risk, capital intense factory models. Lots of easily disposed of contractors is easier.

Maybe we need some govt tax breaks for an Elon Musk like disruptor?

[Le Controleur Horizontal]

vaud said:

It's a logical model. My guess is the big house builders don't want to get into high risk, capital intense factory models. Lots of easily disposed of contractors is easier.

Maybe we need some govt tax breaks for an Elon Musk like disruptor?

Corbyn City, Old Windsor Castle Estate circa 2029

[Vanden Saab]

Le Controleur Horizontal said:

vaud said:

It's a logical model. My guess is the big house builders don't want to get into high risk, capital intense factory models. Lots of easily disposed of contractors is easier.

Maybe we need some govt tax breaks for an Elon Musk like disruptor?

Corbyn City, Old Windsor Castle Estate circa 2029

It will happen,

skyline homes said:

After the framework construction, the interior finish, countertops and cabinetry, carpet and another final finish work is completed. Factory-built homes are transported to the site and quickly assembled, ensuring minimal weather exposure. Once the sections of the house are assembled, utilities are connected and a short list of interior finish work is completed. The site will have been prepared while the home was being constructed.

https://www.skylinehomes.com/our-homes/factory-built-vs-site-built-homes

This is in America but the principal is the same

Already the inner frames are constructed off site. It is a reasonably small step to building the whole house in a factory and delivering it to a prepared base. We are talking about proper houses not like the old prefab tower blocks. Economy of scale. almost zero wastage, the removal of several layers of management and the ability to locate factories in areas of low labour costs are other advantages. Give trades the option of working in a warm, clean, dry factory rather than cold, wet, muddy sites scattered around the countryside and many would jump at it...

[kev1974]

A Winner Is You said:

Feel like I'm saying this a lot lately, but the absolute state of the Labour Party right now

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7447063/B...

They all hold hands and sing that same st together at the annual Party Conference as well. Watch out for it in a few weeks' time.

[Blackpuddin]

Today on R4 just asked two Labour MPs (Snell and Smith) who represented Labour view at the moment. Neither of them said Corbyn. Smith said Watson, Snell said er all the MPs who had spoken about stuff recently.
Surprised Watson hasn't mounted a serious challenge for the leadership by now. Can only think he is intimidated by the McDonnell/Momentum faction.

[768]

Le Controleur Horizontal said:

vaud said:

It's a logical model. My guess is the big house builders don't want to get into high risk, capital intense factory models. Lots of easily disposed of contractors is easier.

Maybe we need some govt tax breaks for an Elon Musk like disruptor?

Corbyn City, Old Windsor Castle Estate circa 2029

Doubt it, you won't get luxuries like a roof and windows. Far too opulent for Corbyn City.

Venezuela is the model.

[ORD]

Blackpuddin said:

Today on R4 just asked two Labour MPs (Snell and Smith) who represented Labour view at the moment. Neither of them said Corbyn. Smith said Watson, Snell said er all the MPs who had spoken about stuff recently.
Surprised Watson hasn't mounted a serious challenge for the leadership by now. Can only think he is intimidated by the McDonnell/Momentum faction.

Watson is a lightweight. Ironic that he has written a book about losing weight.

[amusingduck]

Blackpuddin said:

Surprised Watson hasn't mounted a serious challenge for the leadership by now. Can only think he is intimidated by the McDonnell/Momentum faction.

Keeping his head down after the Operation Midland scandal?

[motco]

Blackpuddin said:

Today on R4 just asked two Labour MPs (Snell and Smith) who represented Labour view at the moment. Neither of them said Corbyn. Smith said Watson, Snell said er all the MPs who had spoken about stuff recently.
Surprised Watson hasn't mounted a serious challenge for the leadership by now. Can only think he is intimidated by the McDonnell/Momentum faction.

I suspect he blew it with his almost maniacal tirade against the non-existent Establishment child abusers.

[Blackpuddin]

amusingduck said:

Blackpuddin said:

Surprised Watson hasn't mounted a serious challenge for the leadership by now. Can only think he is intimidated by the McDonnell/Momentum faction.

Keeping his head down after the Operation Midland scandal?

He has been a master of keeping his head down when it suits, but I see he is making a (for him) bold speech today.

[wc98]

vaud said:

Time to industrialise it and go back to the concept of prefabrication. It's only the post WW2 stigma attached to prefabs that stops us?

Modern design technologies, visualisation and production line automation would allow a wide variety of homes to be built to much higher tolerances than the current build qualities with customization.

the fact this didn't happen years ago is ridiculous. especially given some of the utter dross that has been getting thrown up for a long time now.

[vaud]

wc98 said:

the fact this didn't happen years ago is ridiculous. especially given some of the utter dross that has been getting thrown up for a long time now.

Indeed. Plus it creates higher value jobs. Increased safety. Increased quality. Better working conditions (dry factory instead of building site)

Sure, some roles will always need to be onsite, but modernising the production process would dramatically shorten build time.

[Le Controleur Horizontal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH-zpnoNLEU

[kev1974]

"Manifesto for Mayhem". Much of it mentioned before but I was not aware that he (and his puppetmaster McDonnell) wanted to entirely ban zero hours contracts. Why a total ban? A lot of people are happy to work for Uber etc under such arrangements.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7449687/J...

Funny how he made such a noise about Parliament being prorogued, but so doing has given him the time to go to the TUC conference and speak. Very handy. But then I guess we'd already seen that keeping a lengthy summer recess was more important to the MPs than coming back a few weeks early in this very special year and getting on with debating Brexit, so shouldn't be surprised really that conference grandstanding is immediately more important than parliamentary time that they all bleated was being denied.

[vaud]

kev1974 said:

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Funny how he made such a noise about Parliament being prorogued, but so doing has given him the time to go to the TUC conference and speak. Very handy.

To be fair, he speaks there every year (or at least 2015, 16, 17,18)

[dai1983]

wc98 said:

vaud said:

Time to industrialise it and go back to the concept of prefabrication. It's only the post WW2 stigma attached to prefabs that stops us?

Modern design technologies, visualisation and production line automation would allow a wide variety of homes to be built to much higher tolerances than the current build qualities with customization.

the fact this didn't happen years ago is ridiculous. especially given some of the utter dross that has been getting thrown up for a long time now.

The house house I grew up in was prefab concrete sections as ex council built in the 1960s. Once double glazing was added it was toasty as hell in the winter and cool in the one day of summer we had in the Welsh valleys. Pretty sold too with only a lick of paint needed about once a decade.

[anonymous-user]

amusingduck said:

Blackpuddin said:

Surprised Watson hasn't mounted a serious challenge for the leadership by now. Can only think he is intimidated by the McDonnell/Momentum faction.

Keeping his head down after the Operation Midland scandal?

So he should