The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2

[danllama]

Mothersruin said:

..and the vote registration being extended and the youngsters were still the worst group for turnout.

Which was basically why we Leavers were so critical of the extension. Cameron knew damn well they simply weren't engaging.

[danllama]

don4l said:

Well, stop spreading it then.

As an immigrant, I detect no threat from UKIP.

You lefties, on the other hand, are just plain nasty.

Indeed. He's one of the worst on here.

Is it just me or has MarshFartbum gone quiet too?

[FiF]

don4l said:

///ajd said:

Mr_B said:

Cut the crap and answer the point of saying this, "Its not clear whether Farage and his cronies would try and evict any current migrants".

The real issue is the poison atmosphere.

Well, stop spreading it then.

As an immigrant, I detect no threat from UKIP.

You lefties, on the other hand, are just plain nasty.

Much as I hate to even marginally agree with the poison ///ajd continually spreads throughout these threads I can see something of what he's saying. An EU ex 'colleague' expressed that they saw the vote as a personal rejection of them, which was followed by the usual half baked concerns. Fortunately for once, as this is a particular forthright and outspoken, almost shouty, individual, it was possible this time to have a calm sensible discussion, allay those fears, easily backed up by readily available evidence, the end result being a calmer bunny. But one can understand someone expressing those fears to another embittered loser would just end up in a total escalating bhfest, which is essentially what had happened until some common sense blundered along. Any poison atmosphere does seem to be coming from embittered losers though, which I think supports don4l's point.

[handpaper]

Mrr T said:

I am sure I bore many on here with my posts on EU financial services passporting. In the interests of fairness I should up date you on proposed changes. I spend 5 happy hours last week on a presentation on MIFID 2. First time I had looked at it. It proposes changes to the passporting scheme to allow countries outside the EU access to the EU financial services market. Not finalised but the country seeking access must follow EU financial service regulations and have a robust regulator. A country must apply and it's up to the EU to approve the application.

Only problem it's likely 2 years before MIFID 2 is implemented. Then another 2 years to get EU approval on an application.

Honesty appreciated

Given that we are currently fully aligned with EU requirements in this field, and are unlikely to diverge over the net few years, might it not be likely that matters be 'expedited'?

Either way, it looks like the City can lobby (and bribe, blackmail, threaten, etc.) as well outside the UK as inside...

[don4l]

FiF said:

don4l said:

///ajd said:

Mr_B said:

Cut the crap and answer the point of saying this, "Its not clear whether Farage and his cronies would try and evict any current migrants".

The real issue is the poison atmosphere.

Well, stop spreading it then.

As an immigrant, I detect no threat from UKIP.

You lefties, on the other hand, are just plain nasty.

Much as I hate to even marginally agree with the poison ///ajd continually spreads throughout these threads I can see something of what he's saying. An EU ex 'colleague' expressed that they saw the vote as a personal rejection of them, which was followed by the usual half baked concerns. Fortunately for once, as this is a particular forthright and outspoken, almost shouty, individual, it was possible this time to have a calm sensible discussion, allay those fears, easily backed up by readily available evidence, the end result being a calmer bunny. But one can understand someone expressing those fears to another embittered loser would just end up in a total escalating bhfest, which is essentially what had happened until some common sense blundered along. Any poison atmosphere does seem to be coming from embittered losers though, which I think supports don4l's point.

If some of the existing immigrants are feeling uneasy, the the correct thing would be to offer reassurance. The BBC should lead the way.

Instead, they are still spreading fear, which is only making the situation worse than it needs to be.

I have two Polish chaps working for me at the moment. They both seem pretty relaxed.

[turbobloke]

handpaper said:

Mrr T said:

I am sure I bore many on here with my posts on EU financial services passporting. In the interests of fairness I should up date you on proposed changes. I spend 5 happy hours last week on a presentation on MIFID 2. First time I had looked at it. It proposes changes to the passporting scheme to allow countries outside the EU access to the EU financial services market. Not finalised but the country seeking access must follow EU financial service regulations and have a robust regulator. A country must apply and it's up to the EU to approve the application.

Only problem it's likely 2 years before MIFID 2 is implemented. Then another 2 years to get EU approval on an application.

Honesty appreciated

Given that we are currently fully aligned with EU requirements in this field, and are unlikely to diverge over the net few years, might it not be likely that matters be 'expedited'?

My thanks also to Mrr T for the additional information.

It looks even more positive than previously thought. The delayed starting gun for Article 50 is helping.

[Trabi601]

danllama said:

Yes of course many voted based on immigration. SO WHAT? They exercised their right to express an anger at something that affects them. That's not unhealthy in the slightest.

The real issue here is that a lot of people have nothing against EU immigration and free movement of labour, but appeared to think that voting out would stop Muslims coming here.

Many, many people were ill informed and didn't have a clue what they were voting for and are only now waking up to the reality that they voted the wrong way.

[Einion Yrth]

Trabi601 said:

Many, many people were ill informed and didn't have a clue what they were voting for and are only now waking up to the reality that they voted the wrong way.

Put some concrete flesh on this. I've seen a couple of idiots expressing regret for voting leave, I've also seen a couple of people saying that although they voted leave, after seeing the response of the butt-hurt remainders they rather wished they'd voted leave. Meanwhile I'm absolutely certain that I voted the right way and no amount of the media, and you, telling me otherwise is going to change that;-

WHAT POWER HAVE YOU GOT?
WHERE DID YOU GET IT FROM?
IN WHOSE INTERESTS DO YOU EXERCISE IT?
TO WHOM ARE YOU ACCOUNTABLE?
HOW CAN WE GET RID OF YOU?

The EU has no acceptable answer (for me) to any of those questions.

[Robertj21a]

Trabi601 said:

The real issue here is that a lot of people have nothing against EU immigration and free movement of labour, but appeared to think that voting out would stop Muslims coming here.

Many, many people were ill informed and didn't have a clue what they were voting for and are only now waking up to the reality that they voted the wrong way.

How did Muslims suddenly come into the debate ?

I thought many were primarily concerned with the fact that we cannot have any control over the number of future arrivals of EU citizens all the time that we stay a member.

[Mrr T]

don4l said:

If some of the existing immigrants are feeling uneasy, the the correct thing would be to offer reassurance. The BBC should lead the way.

Instead, they are still spreading fear, which is only making the situation worse than it needs to be.

I have two Polish chaps working for me at the moment. They both seem pretty relaxed.

Don I will be honest and say I normally see your posts and expect to disagree. In this case I take my hat off to you and agree 100%. I have several friends and relatives in the same position. Most are fairly relax but ones was very worried. She has 2 children all have been in the UK 5 years the youngest does not even speak her native language anymore. I spoke to her but there where tears. The maddest part of it LP is she has the right to UK citizenship but cannot afford £3k on a nurses salary.

[don4l]

Trabi601 said:

danllama said:

Yes of course many voted based on immigration. SO WHAT? They exercised their right to express an anger at something that affects them. That's not unhealthy in the slightest.

The real issue here is that a lot of people have nothing against EU immigration and free movement of labour, but appeared to think that voting out would stop Muslims coming here.

Many, many people were ill informed and didn't have a clue what they were voting for and are only now waking up to the reality that they voted the wrong way.

For God's sake. Give it a rest.

How on Earth did you manage to drag Muslims into this?

Telling lies is one of the reasons that you lost.

Learn the lesson, and move on.

[Trabi601]

Robertj21a said:

How did Muslims suddenly come into the debate ?

I thought many were primarily concerned with the fact that we cannot have any control over the number of future arrivals of EU citizens all the time that we stay a member.

Plenty of evidence around on the internet - interviews by the media, posts on social media, comments in newspaper comments sections.

A large proportion of people voted entirely on the immigration issue, but voted from a position of hatred stirred up by Farage. They voted based on non-EU immigration, without realising that it is entirely unaffected by this vote.

This result has lurched Britain significantly towards the right and legitimised racism. It's going to be a very bumpy ride.

[Burwood]

Trabi601 said:

Robertj21a said:

How did Muslims suddenly come into the debate ?

I thought many were primarily concerned with the fact that we cannot have any control over the number of future arrivals of EU citizens all the time that we stay a member.

Plenty of evidence around on the internet - interviews by the media, posts on social media, comments in newspaper comments sections.

A large proportion of people voted entirely on the immigration issue, but voted from a position of hatred stirred up by Farage. They voted based on non-EU immigration, without realising that it is entirely unaffected by this vote.

This result has lurched Britain significantly towards the right and legitimised racism. It's going to be a very bumpy ride.

Bumpy ride. I completely disagree with your hysteria.but don't blame you w in the utter ste bbc reporting. Sturgeon to veto Brecht, err powerless stupid woman! Lib deems to offer a new referendum. hi dear is that the best they can to get any votes.

[Trabi601]

Burwood said:

Bumpy ride. I completely disagree with your hysteria.but don't blame you w in the utter ste bbc reporting. Sturgeon to veto Brecht, err powerless stupid woman! Lib deems to offer a new referendum. hi dear is that the best they can to get any votes.

I haven't seen any BBC reporting.

[Sam All]

Martin Schulz - President of the EC - wants UK to apply for an exit from the EU by Tuesday. I do hope Cameron tells the toad to do one.

[Einion Yrth]

Trabi601 said:

Burwood said:

Bumpy ride. I completely disagree with your hysteria.but don't blame you w in the utter ste bbc reporting. Sturgeon to veto Brecht, err powerless stupid woman! Lib deems to offer a new referendum. hi dear is that the best they can to get any votes.

I haven't seen any BBC reporting.

Too busy writing it?

[NerveAgent]

I'm not sure if this is being discussed anywhere in the million Brexit threads but has anyone got any thoughts on what might happen to party politics?

Are the Conservatives going to have to appeal to where the majority of the leave vote came from?
If Labour go pro leave, its going to lose a hell of a lot of it younger/urban voters?
Are Lib Dems going to be where the remain voters head?
What sort of policies are UKIP going to focus on outside of immigration?

Or are we going to see splits/new parties?

[Jockman]

Trabi601 said:

I haven't seen any BBC reporting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244

[Mr GrimNasty]

Trabi601 said:

danllama said:

Yes of course many voted based on immigration. SO WHAT? They exercised their right to express an anger at something that affects them. That's not unhealthy in the slightest.

The real issue here is that a lot of people have nothing against EU immigration and free movement of labour, but appeared to think that voting out would stop Muslims coming here.

Many, many people were ill informed and didn't have a clue what they were voting for and are only now waking up to the reality that they voted the wrong way.

You have posted some absolute tosh over the last few weeks, you've just tunneled out the basement into the sewer this time! Well done.

If you want to see pig ignorant and ill-informed, just look in a mirror.

[Halb]

NerveAgent said:

I'm not sure if this is being discussed anywhere in the million Brexit threads but has anyone got any thoughts on what might happen to party politics?

Are the Conservatives going to have to appeal to where the majority of the leave vote came from?
If Labour go pro leave, its going to lose a hell of a lot of it younger/urban voters?
Are Lib Dems going to be where the remain voters head?
What sort of policies are UKIP going to focus on outside of immigration?

Or are we going to see splits/new parties?

I posited in another thread that maybe a general election might resolve this, but only if the disaffected in those parties have the courage of their convictions, hiding in the Tory/Labour banner even though they stand apart from the membership, it could be a revolution in UK politics, truth at last and a hard boiled egg!

But I doubt we'll see it. We'll just see knives in the back of both Tory and Labour sorts, and the weasels will continue to weasel...paying lip service to core values and just grabbing hat they can

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