Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 2)
Discussion
El stovey said:
The conservatives created the brexit mess. Boris has made it worse by losing his majority and backing himself into a corner with his deadlines, hard brexit brinksmanship and letting Cummings talk him into this damaging and confrontational government vs parliament rhetoric.
People love this Boris against the establishment and parliament nonsense but if they stopped to think about WHY Boris can’t do anything at the moment then they’d realise it’s almost entirely his own fault and that which isn’t his fault is the fault of his party.
He had a majority of minus 1 before he withdrew the whip from the rebels, with the DUP. People love this Boris against the establishment and parliament nonsense but if they stopped to think about WHY Boris can’t do anything at the moment then they’d realise it’s almost entirely his own fault and that which isn’t his fault is the fault of his party.
Given that the DUP couldn't be onboard with his deal, he would then have had a majority of minus 21 after he came back from the EU with a deal.
Clearly a recipe for stable government if he had only chosen to be more conciliatory toward those trying to stop Brexit.
JagLover said:
El stovey said:
The conservatives created the brexit mess. Boris has made it worse by losing his majority and backing himself into a corner with his deadlines, hard brexit brinksmanship and letting Cummings talk him into this damaging and confrontational government vs parliament rhetoric.
People love this Boris against the establishment and parliament nonsense but if they stopped to think about WHY Boris can’t do anything at the moment then they’d realise it’s almost entirely his own fault and that which isn’t his fault is the fault of his party.
He had a majority of minus 1 before he withdrew the whip from the rebels, with the DUP. People love this Boris against the establishment and parliament nonsense but if they stopped to think about WHY Boris can’t do anything at the moment then they’d realise it’s almost entirely his own fault and that which isn’t his fault is the fault of his party.
Given that the DUP couldn't be onboard with his deal, he would then have had a majority of minus 21 after he came back from the EU with a deal.
Clearly a recipe for stable government if he had only chosen to be more conciliatory toward those trying to stop Brexit.
DMN said:
The People voted for this Parliament in 2017 under the Fixed Term Parliament Act. We knew what we were voting for: This Parliament until 2022, and not a day sooner. Why is the Brexity wing of the Conservative Party so keen to deny the will of the people?
Brexit adverts.Has been cancelled by the government.
What a f
king shambles.. that’s £100 million down the drain could have been spent in Tamworth.JagLover said:
Leavers did what remainers wanted and compromised, but it quickly became apparent that was not sufficient and only a Brexit that crippled the capability of the UK to either negotiate a fair FTA with the EU or trade freely with the rest of the world would do.
If we do end up with a "no deal" Brexit it will be because Remainers made it so.
I haven't read the Boris deal, but isn't that what May's deal was, with Boris' being the same but with an improved fudge for NI in the event of talks breaking down during the WA?If we do end up with a "no deal" Brexit it will be because Remainers made it so.
May's deal was shot down by leavers and remainers alike, including Boris & Mogg.
JagLover said:
I also think however that Cummings knows what he is doing and until proved otherwise he may well have a better plan of action.
Leavers have been saying that for months.What proof do you need to think they are winging it and being outplayed by the opposition (and even some of their own party)?
NoNeed said:
it is not extreme, he has a deal
JagLover said:
Leavers did what remainers wanted and compromised, but it quickly became apparent that was not sufficient and only a Brexit that crippled the capability of the UK to either negotiate a fair FTA with the EU or trade freely with the rest of the world would do.
If we do end up with a "no deal" Brexit it will be because Remainers made it so.
What compromise? Sacrificing NI to appease the ERG? And what are these nebulous leavers and remainers you are referring to? Is it defined as those that do or do not control the institutions?If we do end up with a "no deal" Brexit it will be because Remainers made it so.
The EU are saying they want to know if the election is going ahead before deciding on the length of the extension. Labour are saying they want to know the length of the extension before agreeing to an election. You could not make this stuff up. What fun it would be if the EU just said NO.
El stovey said:
The conservatives created the brexit mess. Boris has made it worse by losing his majority and backing himself into a corner with his deadlines, hard brexit brinksmanship and letting Cummings talk him into this damaging and confrontational government vs parliament rhetoric.
People love this Boris against the establishment and parliament nonsense but if they stopped to think about WHY Boris can’t do anything at the moment then they’d realise it’s almost entirely his own fault and that which isn’t his fault is the fault of his party.
You're not wrong, mostly. Although Boris's 'majority' was in name only, if those 24 were only going to oppose you then he did the right thing by zapping them.People love this Boris against the establishment and parliament nonsense but if they stopped to think about WHY Boris can’t do anything at the moment then they’d realise it’s almost entirely his own fault and that which isn’t his fault is the fault of his party.
As far as a GE goes, he's got far more going for him than May ever did, for one, he doesn't sound like a Speak and Spell, he won't shy away from interview or those stupid televised debates, he's also an order of magnitude more likeable than May ever was. People like him, which helps immensely, most important of all he won't do a 'May knows best' what he'll do instead will be to surround himself with people that can and are advising him.
I suspect he'll win a GE with room to spare - provided that he'll actually get to have one before 2022. That FTPA has a lot to answer for and I reckon regardless of who wins, it'll be revoked pretty fast.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
booboise blueboys said:
Brexit adverts.
Has been cancelled by the government.
What a fking shambles.. that’s £100 million down the drain could have been spent in Tamworth.
Is that was they cost?Has been cancelled by the government.
What a f
king shambles.. that’s £100 million down the drain could have been spent in Tamworth.w
ker Boris and his wking ego ...
Another scenario, IF we do leave on the 31st and there were no adverts, advice on what to do etc, would you not get people saying how irresponsible the government are about there was no notice/ advice etc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
A can’t win situation really, a bit like the subject!
Stay in Bed Instead said:
JagLover said:
I also think however that Cummings knows what he is doing and until proved otherwise he may well have a better plan of action.
Leavers have been saying that for months.What proof do you need to think they are winging it and being outplayed by the opposition (and even some of their own party)?
Stay in Bed Instead said:
booboise blueboys said:
Brexit adverts.
Has been cancelled by the government.
What a fking shambles.. that’s £100 million down the drain could have been spent in Tamworth.
Is that was they cost?Has been cancelled by the government.
What a f
king shambles.. that’s £100 million down the drain could have been spent in Tamworth.w
ker Boris and his wking ego ...
Google how much the uncertainty costs us per week, all thanks to the saboteurs in parliament
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Stay in Bed Instead said:
JagLover said:
I also think however that Cummings knows what he is doing and until proved otherwise he may well have a better plan of action.
Leavers have been saying that for months.What proof do you need to think they are winging it and being outplayed by the opposition (and even some of their own party)?
Boris and Cummings have apparently been pulling a blinder since the start, at some point fans have to face the facts that we still haven’t left and Boris is a PM powerless to do anything. Despite this, every new failed ploy becomes part of their plan and long game.
Hopefully after the 31st Boris and Cummings might move away from this the people vs parliament rubbish they’re promoting, because it isn’t going anywhere for them and it’s making any cross party agreement on anything impossible.
techguyone said:
El stovey said:
The conservatives created the brexit mess. Boris has made it worse by losing his majority and backing himself into a corner with his deadlines, hard brexit brinksmanship and letting Cummings talk him into this damaging and confrontational government vs parliament rhetoric.
People love this Boris against the establishment and parliament nonsense but if they stopped to think about WHY Boris can’t do anything at the moment then they’d realise it’s almost entirely his own fault and that which isn’t his fault is the fault of his party.
You're not wrong, mostly. Although Boris's 'majority' was in name only, if those 24 were only going to oppose you then he did the right thing by zapping them.People love this Boris against the establishment and parliament nonsense but if they stopped to think about WHY Boris can’t do anything at the moment then they’d realise it’s almost entirely his own fault and that which isn’t his fault is the fault of his party.
As far as a GE goes, he's got far more going for him than May ever did, for one, he doesn't sound like a Speak and Spell, he won't shy away from interview or those stupid televised debates, he's also an order of magnitude more likeable than May ever was. People like him, which helps immensely, most important of all he won't do a 'May knows best' what he'll do instead will be to surround himself with people that can and are advising him.
I suspect he'll win a GE with room to spare - provided that he'll actually get to have one before 2022. That FTPA has a lot to answer for and I reckon regardless of who wins, it'll be revoked pretty fast.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/24/b...
El stovey said:
More like confirmation bias.
Boris and Cummings have apparently been pulling a blinder since the start, at some point fans have to face the facts that we still haven’t left and Boris is a PM powerless to do anything. Despite this, every new failed ploy becomes part of their plan and long game.
Hopefully after the 31st Boris and Cummings might move away from this the people vs parliament rubbish they’re promoting, because it isn’t going anywhere for them and it’s making any cross party agreement on anything impossible.
I'm not sure what you expect them to accomplish with a remainer parliament?. They came back with a WA that was acceptable to most people, a task that was within their power and accomplished. Boris and Cummings have apparently been pulling a blinder since the start, at some point fans have to face the facts that we still haven’t left and Boris is a PM powerless to do anything. Despite this, every new failed ploy becomes part of their plan and long game.
Hopefully after the 31st Boris and Cummings might move away from this the people vs parliament rubbish they’re promoting, because it isn’t going anywhere for them and it’s making any cross party agreement on anything impossible.
To say that they are powerless otherwise as if a criticism of them is pointless. They didn't fight the 2017 GE and they didn't select the, at least three dozen, Tory candidates in that election who had no intention of honouring the manifesto they stood on.
We likely wont leave with the current parliament in place and little point humouring them if it messes up the GE to come.
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