Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 2)
Discussion
Frik said:
NoNeed said:
it is not extreme, he has a deal
Being on the far right of this chart is an extreme position. These are all types of Brexit which would be "Leaving the EU". 
chrispmartha said:
techguyone said:
El stovey said:
The conservatives created the brexit mess. Boris has made it worse by losing his majority and backing himself into a corner with his deadlines, hard brexit brinksmanship and letting Cummings talk him into this damaging and confrontational government vs parliament rhetoric.
People love this Boris against the establishment and parliament nonsense but if they stopped to think about WHY Boris can’t do anything at the moment then they’d realise it’s almost entirely his own fault and that which isn’t his fault is the fault of his party.
You're not wrong, mostly. Although Boris's 'majority' was in name only, if those 24 were only going to oppose you then he did the right thing by zapping them.People love this Boris against the establishment and parliament nonsense but if they stopped to think about WHY Boris can’t do anything at the moment then they’d realise it’s almost entirely his own fault and that which isn’t his fault is the fault of his party.
As far as a GE goes, he's got far more going for him than May ever did, for one, he doesn't sound like a Speak and Spell, he won't shy away from interview or those stupid televised debates, he's also an order of magnitude more likeable than May ever was. People like him, which helps immensely, most important of all he won't do a 'May knows best' what he'll do instead will be to surround himself with people that can and are advising him.
I suspect he'll win a GE with room to spare - provided that he'll actually get to have one before 2022. That FTPA has a lot to answer for and I reckon regardless of who wins, it'll be revoked pretty fast.
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Frik said:
NoNeed said:
it is not extreme, he has a deal
JagLover said:
Leavers did what remainers wanted and compromised, but it quickly became apparent that was not sufficient and only a Brexit that crippled the capability of the UK to either negotiate a fair FTA with the EU or trade freely with the rest of the world would do.
If we do end up with a "no deal" Brexit it will be because Remainers made it so.
What compromise? Sacrificing NI to appease the ERG? And what are these nebulous leavers and remainers you are referring to? Is it defined as those that do or do not control the institutions?If we do end up with a "no deal" Brexit it will be because Remainers made it so.
I had brain fade (more so than usual a few pages back) and forgot/couldn’t work out what “WA” meant. Several posters were not only kind enough to remind me it was the abbreviation for “withdrawal agreement” (rather obviously!) but were also good enough not to confirm I’m think as mince, so thanks very much.
I had the BBC news on this morning while waiting for my transport to arrive to take me to hospital. I caught most of both interviews with Diane Abbott and Sajid Javid. I don’t know how the presenters keep their calm when they ask what seems like a relatively simple/straightforward, often binary “yes/no” question, but NEVER get a straight answer from the interviewee.
Actually, I know why, as when I did my initial CID Detectives’ training course several years ago, we did have one session on media training (I can’t for the life of me remember his name, but it was a reasonably well-known BBC reporter who did the training with us, Martin something - possibly “Henson”, or similar - his brother was also a BBC reporter). The purpose of being interviewed isn’t necessarily to answer the questions put by the interviewer, it’s for the interviewee to get across what they want to say. Sometimes the two paths cross and everyone’s happy!
It still annoys me though.
I had the BBC news on this morning while waiting for my transport to arrive to take me to hospital. I caught most of both interviews with Diane Abbott and Sajid Javid. I don’t know how the presenters keep their calm when they ask what seems like a relatively simple/straightforward, often binary “yes/no” question, but NEVER get a straight answer from the interviewee.
Actually, I know why, as when I did my initial CID Detectives’ training course several years ago, we did have one session on media training (I can’t for the life of me remember his name, but it was a reasonably well-known BBC reporter who did the training with us, Martin something - possibly “Henson”, or similar - his brother was also a BBC reporter). The purpose of being interviewed isn’t necessarily to answer the questions put by the interviewer, it’s for the interviewee to get across what they want to say. Sometimes the two paths cross and everyone’s happy!
It still annoys me though.
Dibble said:
I had brain fade (more so than usual a few pages back) and forgot/couldn’t work out what “WA” meant. Several posters were not only kind enough to remind me it was the abbreviation for “withdrawal agreement” (rather obviously!) but were also good enough not to confirm I’m think as mince, so thanks very much.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
The Government has postponed the Budget on 6th November.
I do find it amusing that Boris and the Tories caused this situation, and are now getting increasingly angry that others won't help them out of the mess.
Zombie Parliament is the new buzzword by the looks of it.
No law stopping Boris resigning.
And again it's misdirection to call it a zombie parliament. What we actually have is a zombie government, which is different. Parliament is quite alive and working, and it can carry on with its work, government or not. This is like the "project fear" misdirection - accuse your opponents of your own faults before anyone twigs.I do find it amusing that Boris and the Tories caused this situation, and are now getting increasingly angry that others won't help them out of the mess.
Zombie Parliament is the new buzzword by the looks of it.
No law stopping Boris resigning.
The will of the people elected this parliament for 5 years in 2017. The fact that a non-binding plebiscite from 2016 is being used to try to usurp the real will of the people in electing a sovereign parliament subsequently is the real crime against our democracy being perpetrated here. There is no need for an election and one would likely solve nothing. Parliament should legislate for a referendum on brexit. It may well do that. The government can stay on strike for as long as it likes, I just hope they stop being paid their ministerial salaries, as that's what happens when workers strike in industrial disputes.
ElectricSoup said:
And again it's misdirection to call it a zombie parliament. What we actually have is a zombie government, which is different. Parliament is quite alive and working, and it can carry on with its work, government or not. This is like the "project fear" misdirection - accuse your opponents of your own faults before anyone twigs.
The will of the people elected this parliament for 5 years in 2017. The fact that a non-binding plebiscite from 2016 is being used to try to usurp the real will of the people in electing a sovereign parliament subsequently is the real crime against our democracy being perpetrated here. There is no need for an election and one would likely solve nothing. Parliament should legislate for a referendum on brexit. It may well do that. The government can stay on strike for as long as it likes, I just hope they stop being paid their ministerial salaries, as that's what happens when workers strike in industrial disputes.
The misdirection was by Sajid Javid.The will of the people elected this parliament for 5 years in 2017. The fact that a non-binding plebiscite from 2016 is being used to try to usurp the real will of the people in electing a sovereign parliament subsequently is the real crime against our democracy being perpetrated here. There is no need for an election and one would likely solve nothing. Parliament should legislate for a referendum on brexit. It may well do that. The government can stay on strike for as long as it likes, I just hope they stop being paid their ministerial salaries, as that's what happens when workers strike in industrial disputes.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
ElectricSoup said:
And again it's misdirection to call it a zombie parliament. What we actually have is a zombie government, which is different. Parliament is quite alive and working, and it can carry on with its work, government or not. This is like the "project fear" misdirection - accuse your opponents of your own faults before anyone twigs.
The will of the people elected this parliament for 5 years in 2017. The fact that a non-binding plebiscite from 2016 is being used to try to usurp the real will of the people in electing a sovereign parliament subsequently is the real crime against our democracy being perpetrated here. There is no need for an election and one would likely solve nothing. Parliament should legislate for a referendum on brexit. It may well do that. The government can stay on strike for as long as it likes, I just hope they stop being paid their ministerial salaries, as that's what happens when workers strike in industrial disputes.
The misdirection was by Sajid Javid.The will of the people elected this parliament for 5 years in 2017. The fact that a non-binding plebiscite from 2016 is being used to try to usurp the real will of the people in electing a sovereign parliament subsequently is the real crime against our democracy being perpetrated here. There is no need for an election and one would likely solve nothing. Parliament should legislate for a referendum on brexit. It may well do that. The government can stay on strike for as long as it likes, I just hope they stop being paid their ministerial salaries, as that's what happens when workers strike in industrial disputes.
vonuber said:
JagLover said:
I'm not sure what you expect them to accomplish with a remainer parliament?
The one voted in post referendum? Will of the people and all that?Voted in on false manifestos. No wonder Remainers are so desperate to avoid a fresh GE now their deceit has been discovered.
JagLover said:
vonuber said:
JagLover said:
I'm not sure what you expect them to accomplish with a remainer parliament?
The one voted in post referendum? Will of the people and all that?Voted in on false manifestos. No wonder Remainers are so desperate to avoid a fresh GE now their deceit has been discovered.
JagLover said:
vonuber said:
JagLover said:
I'm not sure what you expect them to accomplish with a remainer parliament?
The one voted in post referendum? Will of the people and all that?Voted in on false manifestos. No wonder Remainers are so desperate to avoid a fresh GE now their deceit has been discovered.
ElectricSoup said:
JagLover said:
vonuber said:
JagLover said:
I'm not sure what you expect them to accomplish with a remainer parliament?
The one voted in post referendum? Will of the people and all that?Voted in on false manifestos. No wonder Remainers are so desperate to avoid a fresh GE now their deceit has been discovered.
amusingduck said:
ElectricSoup said:
JagLover said:
vonuber said:
JagLover said:
I'm not sure what you expect them to accomplish with a remainer parliament?
The one voted in post referendum? Will of the people and all that?Voted in on false manifestos. No wonder Remainers are so desperate to avoid a fresh GE now their deceit has been discovered.
ElectricSoup said:
amusingduck said:
ElectricSoup said:
JagLover said:
vonuber said:
JagLover said:
I'm not sure what you expect them to accomplish with a remainer parliament?
The one voted in post referendum? Will of the people and all that?Voted in on false manifestos. No wonder Remainers are so desperate to avoid a fresh GE now their deceit has been discovered.
ElectricSoup said:
I'm sure I heard someone else say it before Javid's atrocious interview this morning, but yes, I know. I wasn't saying you invented the term.
It seems to be the new buzz word from team Cummings. It is getting a lot today and lot of reporters seem to be repeating on the radio. Not watched any TV but expect this is getting beamed out in social media for effect.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff