Climate protesters block roads
Discussion
sambucket said:
Strangely binary thinking here.
Is it possible to support eating meat less frequently, whilst eating meat occasionally, without being a hypocrite? Or is everything black and white?
But the aim of this lot is zero emissions, isn’t it? In about 5 minutes. Is it possible to support eating meat less frequently, whilst eating meat occasionally, without being a hypocrite? Or is everything black and white?
Or is that just for everybody else? Or is it OK to create emissions if we plant things to offset? (I’ve done my share of that, I think I’ll jet off on holiday now).
Your analogy fails because if they’re only talking about reducing emissions we’ve already done that.
Mind you China hasn’t. Do you think they’ll go there if we tell them?
RobDickinson said:
Nothing is binary.
Its relatively easy to change your lifestyle to drastically drop your impact - which will never be zero but can be sustainable.
Switch to an EV, buy power from a 100% renewable source (use low power home things) , cut down meat/dairy, stop using single use things and recycle, fly less frequently etc etc.
But in addition to that we need legislation and enforcement/tax to push industry and all those flat eathers who wont change, because basically f
k you and the planet.
Thats why it really doesnt matter it princess got dropped off at the protests in a diesel suv, that wasnt their choice and its about removing that option so next time it'll be something better.
its about the impact this will have on your childrens life when the power is with crusty old farts who wont see the biggest impacts.
oh just switch to an EV - no problem with that then, I'll just pull the necessary coinage out from behind my sofa. As an aside have you seen how much environmental damage lithium mining does, not to mention other minerals used in the production (and disposal) of same.Its relatively easy to change your lifestyle to drastically drop your impact - which will never be zero but can be sustainable.
Switch to an EV, buy power from a 100% renewable source (use low power home things) , cut down meat/dairy, stop using single use things and recycle, fly less frequently etc etc.
But in addition to that we need legislation and enforcement/tax to push industry and all those flat eathers who wont change, because basically f
k you and the planet. Thats why it really doesnt matter it princess got dropped off at the protests in a diesel suv, that wasnt their choice and its about removing that option so next time it'll be something better.
its about the impact this will have on your childrens life when the power is with crusty old farts who wont see the biggest impacts.
As for zero carbon in 6 years...... bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha (repeat as necessary)
RobDickinson said:
Nothing is binary.
Its relatively easy to change your lifestyle to drastically drop your impact - which will never be zero but can be sustainable.
Switch to an EV, buy power from a 100% renewable source (use low power home things) , cut down meat/dairy, stop using single use things and recycle, fly less frequently etc etc.
But in addition to that we need legislation and enforcement/tax to push industry and all those flat eathers who wont change, because basically fk you and the planet.
Thats why it really doesnt matter it princess got dropped off at the protests in a diesel suv, that wasnt their choice and its about removing that option so next time it'll be something better.
its about the impact this will have on your childrens life when the power is with crusty old farts who wont see the biggest impacts.
Its relatively easy to change your lifestyle to drastically drop your impact - which will never be zero but can be sustainable.
Switch to an EV, buy power from a 100% renewable source (use low power home things) , cut down meat/dairy, stop using single use things and recycle, fly less frequently etc etc.
But in addition to that we need legislation and enforcement/tax to push industry and all those flat eathers who wont change, because basically f
k you and the planet. Thats why it really doesnt matter it princess got dropped off at the protests in a diesel suv, that wasnt their choice and its about removing that option so next time it'll be something better.
its about the impact this will have on your childrens life when the power is with crusty old farts who wont see the biggest impacts.
At least crusty old farts realise the importance of grammar and the use of punctuation.
Did the apostrophe just disappear off your green planet?
Most of these protestors seem to be the usual crew of work shy fops that attend protests.
No doubt they'll be seasoned with past experience of fracking demonstrations et al
Braided hair, scruffys with fk all else to do other than sit around singing peace songs and generally being an embarrassment to the homo sapien.
The thing is with climate change is that it's just pure conjecture and in my bigoted opinion just something that the earth has gone through many times over its lifespan.
Yes, temperatures appear to be rising when collated over the last century but it's something that will come to pass, nature/life adapts to and things carry on. In the meantime I'm enjoying this lovely weather whilst these lazy scuzfks roll around on the floor making a nuisance of themselves.
No doubt they'll be seasoned with past experience of fracking demonstrations et al
Braided hair, scruffy
s with fk all else to do other than sit around singing peace songs and generally being an embarrassment to the homo sapien.The thing is with climate change is that it's just pure conjecture and in my bigoted opinion just something that the earth has gone through many times over its lifespan.
Yes, temperatures appear to be rising when collated over the last century but it's something that will come to pass, nature/life adapts to and things carry on. In the meantime I'm enjoying this lovely weather whilst these lazy scuzf
ks roll around on the floor making a nuisance of themselves.lord trumpton said:
Most of these protestors seem to be the usual crew of work shy fops that attend protests.
No doubt they'll be seasoned with past experience of fracking demonstrations et al
Braided hair, scruffys with fk all else to do other than sit around singing peace songs and generally being an embarrassment to the homo sapien.
The thing is with climate change is that it's just pure conjecture and in my bigoted opinion just something that the earth has gone through many times over its lifespan.
Yes, temperatures appear to be rising when collated over the last century but it's something that will come to pass, nature/life adapts to and things carry on. In the meantime I'm enjoying this lovely weather whilst these lazy scuzfks roll around on the floor making a nuisance of themselves.
Massive levels of ignorance, despite extensive attempts at educating people like you demonstrates why groups like XR exist – you cause them to exist, to take their message to the Government that it mustn’t be complacent and think everyone is like you. No doubt they'll be seasoned with past experience of fracking demonstrations et al
Braided hair, scruffy
s with fk all else to do other than sit around singing peace songs and generally being an embarrassment to the homo sapien.The thing is with climate change is that it's just pure conjecture and in my bigoted opinion just something that the earth has gone through many times over its lifespan.
Yes, temperatures appear to be rising when collated over the last century but it's something that will come to pass, nature/life adapts to and things carry on. In the meantime I'm enjoying this lovely weather whilst these lazy scuzf
ks roll around on the floor making a nuisance of themselves.Of course the Earth goes through natural climate change cycles, that is obvious. But why is it so difficult for some folks to grasp that humans burning fossil fuels at the incredible rate they have in a very short time, has accelerated the natural cycle – unnaturally.
It is the equivalent of a large asteroid impact or large-scale nuclear war, it creates an event that causes widespread damage to Nature very quickly.
If we didn’t accelerate climate change, Nature would try to adapt to the natural cycle over the much slower time. Now, granted, natural cycles still have casualties from those that could not adapt fast enough, but it is incredibly stupid to accelerate the process such that far greater harm is guaranteed. Far more species extinct. Coral reefs wiped out, fish numbers reduced – human food sources severely impacted. Ocean levels raised to put human settlements at great risk.
Why would you risk having this happen when it can be avoided and time gained for not just us, but Nature generally, to try to adapt naturally? Would a 25 year old wish to accelerate their age to 75 and meet the challenges of that age, health and lack of accumulated resources, advancement in knowledge, experience, or would they rather their normal natural cycle play out?
Climate change is a basic fact and natural process. Human impact by way of accelerating that natural process was a debate started in earnest 30 years or so ago and has been settled as fact too.
Anyone still in denial of this is no better than those who still persist the Earth is flat and History will see them as such.
XR is extreme. But it is borne from a general sense that too much ignorance still exists and therefore more pressure needs to be enacted to change Laws faster. For PH’ers, this could mean the acceleration of laws that see your bums out of the seats of V8 cars much faster than it might otherwise have been by knee-jerk Government reactions, rather than a generally-accepted, Universal methodology towards finding and creating solutions to deal with reduced emissions.
All you Deniers are responsible for XR and their ilk.
By refusing to understand and accept basic concepts, by not buying into a need for change, you give rise to these demonstrations by directly creating a sense of non-urgency where some needs to exist.
RobDickinson said:
Lithium mining is a lot less harmful than oil production and isn't just burned once.
And of course ice car manufacturing is done by pixies using angel dust
You're kinda missing the point here, it's still not environmentally friendly. If these crazies get their way your 'green' car will be nearly as unpopular as my V8.And of course ice car manufacturing is done by pixies using angel dust
lord trumpton said:
Most of these protestors seem to be the usual crew of work shy fops that attend protests.
No doubt they'll be seasoned with past experience of fracking demonstrations et al
Braided hair, scruffys with fk all else to do other than sit around singing peace songs and generally being an embarrassment to the homo sapien.
That' just it. They may well be bang on the money about climate change and what we need to do about it for all I know or care, but their appearance and method is so alienating to Joe Public as to be largely counterproductive. No doubt they'll be seasoned with past experience of fracking demonstrations et al
Braided hair, scruffy
s with fk all else to do other than sit around singing peace songs and generally being an embarrassment to the homo sapien.RobDickinson said:
Focusing on the key issues there...
What like buying a Mazda rx8? One of the most polluting engine formats in recent history, (turbocharged rotary). Did you not care about the planet then? Or did you have your bit of fun and now it's time to virtue signal and tell everybody else they can't do what you did. . sambucket said:
Strangely binary thinking here.
Is it possible to support eating meat less frequently, whilst eating meat occasionally, without being a hypocrite? Or is everything black and white?
She flew from LA to London to protest about the environment. Wouldn't the equivalent example be to protest meat eating by eating your own bodyweight in steak?Is it possible to support eating meat less frequently, whilst eating meat occasionally, without being a hypocrite? Or is everything black and white?
Coolbanana said:
lord trumpton said:
Most of these protestors seem to be the usual crew of work shy fops that attend protests.
No doubt they'll be seasoned with past experience of fracking demonstrations et al
Braided hair, scruffys with fk all else to do other than sit around singing peace songs and generally being an embarrassment to the homo sapien.
The thing is with climate change is that it's just pure conjecture and in my bigoted opinion just something that the earth has gone through many times over its lifespan.
Yes, temperatures appear to be rising when collated over the last century but it's something that will come to pass, nature/life adapts to and things carry on. In the meantime I'm enjoying this lovely weather whilst these lazy scuzfks roll around on the floor making a nuisance of themselves.
Massive levels of ignorance, despite extensive attempts at educating people like you demonstrates why groups like XR exist – you cause them to exist, to take their message to the Government that it mustn’t be complacent and think everyone is like you. No doubt they'll be seasoned with past experience of fracking demonstrations et al
Braided hair, scruffy
s with fk all else to do other than sit around singing peace songs and generally being an embarrassment to the homo sapien.The thing is with climate change is that it's just pure conjecture and in my bigoted opinion just something that the earth has gone through many times over its lifespan.
Yes, temperatures appear to be rising when collated over the last century but it's something that will come to pass, nature/life adapts to and things carry on. In the meantime I'm enjoying this lovely weather whilst these lazy scuzf
ks roll around on the floor making a nuisance of themselves.Of course the Earth goes through natural climate change cycles, that is obvious. But why is it so difficult for some folks to grasp that humans burning fossil fuels at the incredible rate they have in a very short time, has accelerated the natural cycle – unnaturally.
It is the equivalent of a large asteroid impact or large-scale nuclear war, it creates an event that causes widespread damage to Nature very quickly.
If we didn’t accelerate climate change, Nature would try to adapt to the natural cycle over the much slower time. Now, granted, natural cycles still have casualties from those that could not adapt fast enough, but it is incredibly stupid to accelerate the process such that far greater harm is guaranteed. Far more species extinct. Coral reefs wiped out, fish numbers reduced – human food sources severely impacted. Ocean levels raised to put human settlements at great risk.
Why would you risk having this happen when it can be avoided and time gained for not just us, but Nature generally, to try to adapt naturally? Would a 25 year old wish to accelerate their age to 75 and meet the challenges of that age, health and lack of accumulated resources, advancement in knowledge, experience, or would they rather their normal natural cycle play out?
Climate change is a basic fact and natural process. Human impact by way of accelerating that natural process was a debate started in earnest 30 years or so ago and has been settled as fact too.
Anyone still in denial of this is no better than those who still persist the Earth is flat and History will see them as such.
XR is extreme. But it is borne from a general sense that too much ignorance still exists and therefore more pressure needs to be enacted to change Laws faster. For PH’ers, this could mean the acceleration of laws that see your bums out of the seats of V8 cars much faster than it might otherwise have been by knee-jerk Government reactions, rather than a generally-accepted, Universal methodology towards finding and creating solutions to deal with reduced emissions.
All you Deniers are responsible for XR and their ilk.
By refusing to understand and accept basic concepts, by not buying into a need for change, you give rise to these demonstrations by directly creating a sense of non-urgency where some needs to exist.
As stated many times before if anyone wants to see what is causing the damage to the planet, they only have to look in the nearest mirror. But no they complain about the splinter in other`s eyes, whilst continually refusing to see the beam in their own. they do not care about the planet, only the skin disease known as humans which has erupted on its surface. But anything that limits or challenges the idea of allowing humans to breed without limits is replied to with silly words like euthanasia, or culling for those extant on the planet.
Only when the MMGW proponents accept that the problem is not caused by humans, but by having too many humans will anything they have to say on the matter start to carry any validity.
They think that somehow humans can go on increasing their numbers, at their current unprecedented rate, without this affecting the planet as a whole. They are the equivalent of someone worrying about a large fire, but seeing no problem with hundreds of thousands of gallons of petrol being poured on it. The planet is not just for humans. Humans are of course a natural element, What is not natural is that humans are no longer as limited by the factors that naturally limit other species. Why are they not honest and admit they do not care about the planet, only about its ability to support the ever growing, ever consuming, ever emitting colossal human population ( to the detriment of just about every environment, and other species on the planet. the REAL hockey stick graph, if only they had the guts to see it..
Coolbanana said:
lord trumpton said:
Most of these protestors seem to be the usual crew of work shy fops that attend protests.
No doubt they'll be seasoned with past experience of fracking demonstrations et al
Braided hair, scruffys with fk all else to do other than sit around singing peace songs and generally being an embarrassment to the homo sapien.
The thing is with climate change is that it's just pure conjecture and in my bigoted opinion just something that the earth has gone through many times over its lifespan.
Yes, temperatures appear to be rising when collated over the last century but it's something that will come to pass, nature/life adapts to and things carry on. In the meantime I'm enjoying this lovely weather whilst these lazy scuzfks roll around on the floor making a nuisance of themselves.
Massive levels of ignorance, despite extensive attempts at educating people like you demonstrates why groups like XR exist – you cause them to exist, to take their message to the Government that it mustn’t be complacent and think everyone is like you. No doubt they'll be seasoned with past experience of fracking demonstrations et al
Braided hair, scruffy
s with fk all else to do other than sit around singing peace songs and generally being an embarrassment to the homo sapien.The thing is with climate change is that it's just pure conjecture and in my bigoted opinion just something that the earth has gone through many times over its lifespan.
Yes, temperatures appear to be rising when collated over the last century but it's something that will come to pass, nature/life adapts to and things carry on. In the meantime I'm enjoying this lovely weather whilst these lazy scuzf
ks roll around on the floor making a nuisance of themselves.Of course the Earth goes through natural climate change cycles, that is obvious. But why is it so difficult for some folks to grasp that humans burning fossil fuels at the incredible rate they have in a very short time, has accelerated the natural cycle – unnaturally.
It is the equivalent of a large asteroid impact or large-scale nuclear war, it creates an event that causes widespread damage to Nature very quickly.
If we didn’t accelerate climate change, Nature would try to adapt to the natural cycle over the much slower time. Now, granted, natural cycles still have casualties from those that could not adapt fast enough, but it is incredibly stupid to accelerate the process such that far greater harm is guaranteed. Far more species extinct. Coral reefs wiped out, fish numbers reduced – human food sources severely impacted. Ocean levels raised to put human settlements at great risk.
Why would you risk having this happen when it can be avoided and time gained for not just us, but Nature generally, to try to adapt naturally? Would a 25 year old wish to accelerate their age to 75 and meet the challenges of that age, health and lack of accumulated resources, advancement in knowledge, experience, or would they rather their normal natural cycle play out?
Climate change is a basic fact and natural process. Human impact by way of accelerating that natural process was a debate started in earnest 30 years or so ago and has been settled as fact too.
Anyone still in denial of this is no better than those who still persist the Earth is flat and History will see them as such.
XR is extreme. But it is borne from a general sense that too much ignorance still exists and therefore more pressure needs to be enacted to change Laws faster. For PH’ers, this could mean the acceleration of laws that see your bums out of the seats of V8 cars much faster than it might otherwise have been by knee-jerk Government reactions, rather than a generally-accepted, Universal methodology towards finding and creating solutions to deal with reduced emissions.
All you Deniers are responsible for XR and their ilk.
By refusing to understand and accept basic concepts, by not buying into a need for change, you give rise to these demonstrations by directly creating a sense of non-urgency where some needs to exist.
Probably been mentioned before, but don't get mislead as to who these people are and who 'controls' them.
I fear some good intentioned protestors are being 'played'.
XR is part of/supported by RiseUp!
Form RiseUp!'s web site..
Their shared vision apparently needs...
"A revolution, meaning a rapid change in wealth distribution and power structures, preventing rich elite from perpetuating a self-serving ideology. Our democracy, our media, our academia, our think tanks and businesses (organisations whose purpose should be to meet our needs) must serve all people and a healthy ecology."
I fear some good intentioned protestors are being 'played'.
XR is part of/supported by RiseUp!
Form RiseUp!'s web site..
Their shared vision apparently needs...
"A revolution, meaning a rapid change in wealth distribution and power structures, preventing rich elite from perpetuating a self-serving ideology. Our democracy, our media, our academia, our think tanks and businesses (organisations whose purpose should be to meet our needs) must serve all people and a healthy ecology."
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