The Gender Non-binary debate.
Discussion
8.4L 154 said:
You don't own your children. They will be who they are and a parents job is to love them no matter what they are dealt. You have no right to a son or daughter or to keep them as a son or daughter.
Putting words in my mouth againI never said I owned her but I would grieve if she did transition as rightly so I would have lost a daughter gained a stranger albeit with her memories
Clockwork Cupcake said:
George... please don't work your way through a thread replying to each and every post as you read it. If you'd brought yourself up to date with the thread and then crafted a reply with the full picture, you'd see that I have already apologised for going in all guns blazing.
When have I ever read beyond the post I’m going all gammon over!Seen your apology and now I apologise to you
Sorry
George Smiley said:
Putting words in my mouth again
I never said I owned her but I would grieve if she did transition as rightly so I would have lost a daughter gained a stranger albeit with her memories
I think most people understand that as a parent it can be difficult but "gained a stranger" really?I never said I owned her but I would grieve if she did transition as rightly so I would have lost a daughter gained a stranger albeit with her memories
Christ.
bhstewie said:
George Smiley said:
Putting words in my mouth again
I never said I owned her but I would grieve if she did transition as rightly so I would have lost a daughter gained a stranger albeit with her memories
I think most people understand that as a parent it can be difficult but "gained a stranger" really?I never said I owned her but I would grieve if she did transition as rightly so I would have lost a daughter gained a stranger albeit with her memories
Christ.
Of course it’s a stranger, same person just not the same
bhstewie said:
George Smiley said:
Putting words in my mouth again
I never said I owned her but I would grieve if she did transition as rightly so I would have lost a daughter gained a stranger albeit with her memories
I think most people understand that as a parent it can be difficult but "gained a stranger" really?I never said I owned her but I would grieve if she did transition as rightly so I would have lost a daughter gained a stranger albeit with her memories
Christ.
George Smiley said:
As Philip schofields wife
Of course it’s a stranger, same person just not the same
No they are the same, you just know something more about them. It might change your view of them, it might change their view of themselves once they start sharing (this is common, I think). But the person hasn't actually changed.Of course it’s a stranger, same person just not the same
If Philip Schofield never told anyone he was gay, he would still be gay.
get out of jail free card
https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/27/transgender-shoplif...
Transgender shoplifter spared jail when there is ‘no way to confirm her gender’
Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/27/transgender-shoplif...
https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/27/transgender-shoplif...
Transgender shoplifter spared jail when there is ‘no way to confirm her gender’
Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/27/transgender-shoplif...
gregs656 said:
No they are the same, you just know something more about them. It might change your view of them, it might change their view of themselves once they start sharing (this is common, I think). But the person hasn't actually changed.
If Philip Schofield never told anyone he was gay, he would still be gay.
If she has a new voice, face, physique, penis - are you suggesting any parent would be overjoyed and not see it as a sort of death?If Philip Schofield never told anyone he was gay, he would still be gay.
My view is different to yours, doesn’t make it less valid or mean the feelings I would have would be wrong.
rover 623gsi said:
get out of jail free card
https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/27/transgender-shoplif...
Transgender shoplifter spared jail when there is ‘no way to confirm her gender’
Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/27/transgender-shoplif...
You can’t go round claiming to be one sex without having it confirmed. Send him to a male prisonhttps://metro.co.uk/2020/02/27/transgender-shoplif...
Transgender shoplifter spared jail when there is ‘no way to confirm her gender’
Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/27/transgender-shoplif...
rover 623gsi said:
get out of jail free card
https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/27/transgender-shoplif...
Transgender shoplifter spared jail when there is ‘no way to confirm her gender’
Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/27/transgender-shoplif...
Kind of stupid really, HMPS had a set of guidelines for such a situation which were put in place after several trans women deaths in custody and which would have seen her incarcerated, however due to the Karen White disaster which was the result of and confirmed to be HMPS not following those procedure, but none the less resulted in a media and gender critical frenzy, not to get the procedure followed but to cast them to the scrap heap entirely leaving HMPS with no idea how to proceed in this case. It was kind of inevitable and not the fault of trans people we ended up here.https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/27/transgender-shoplif...
Transgender shoplifter spared jail when there is ‘no way to confirm her gender’
Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/27/transgender-shoplif...
rover 623gsi said:
do you have a view on male rapists being incarcerated in women's prisons?
My view is that under the discarded guidelines a transgender female prisoner with a history/sentence of sexual violence or rape would have been assessed and incarcerated as a high risk female inmate and housed in the same manner as any other high risk female prisoner, likely in a male high risk establishment but under female conditions. Part of the assessment process (for all transgender prisoners) was to determine the transition status of the prisoner to determine 1) if they were genuine, 2) have a medical history and documentation of living in role, 3) their risk to other prisoners, and a finally determination of if they should be transferred/housed in the female estate and where or remain in the male estate.
But that was all thrown in the bin and now courts/hmps haven't got a clue what to do other than strip search genital inspections or send everyone to the male estate which has already been found to be in breach of human rights and led to deaths of inmates.
8.4L 154 said:
documentation of living in role
The stumbling point for me is this - what does that mean exactly in a society where we've been (working on) obliterating gender roles? Does documenting "living in role" risk creating a legal code of what "living as a man" and "living as a woman" actually means - baking stereotypes into the law? And then what if someone goes "I'm still a bloke... I just like <these things that are baked in as "living as a woman" activities>"?wst said:
8.4L 154 said:
documentation of living in role
The stumbling point for me is this - what does that mean exactly in a society where we've been (working on) obliterating gender roles? Does documenting "living in role" risk creating a legal code of what "living as a man" and "living as a woman" actually means - baking stereotypes into the law? And then what if someone goes "I'm still a bloke... I just like <these things that are baked in as "living as a woman" activities>"?Living as a woman = having your cake, eating it, then getting everyone to agree how much bds men are then getting days named after your gender, billions of woman this woman that awards and still expecting to retire earlier and be paid equally whilst ignoring that women do get paid more than men in general and especially at the start of their careers which they then give up on for a few years whilst farting out another baby
wst said:
8.4L 154 said:
documentation of living in role
The stumbling point for me is this - what does that mean exactly in a society where we've been (working on) obliterating gender roles? Does documenting "living in role" risk creating a legal code of what "living as a man" and "living as a woman" actually means - baking stereotypes into the law? And then what if someone goes "I'm still a bloke... I just like <these things that are baked in as "living as a woman" activities>"?Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff