Theresa May

[200Plus Club]

Regardless it took some balls to walk on stage like that... who's balls though I don't know!

[MitchT]

Reminds me of when you're at school and the head teacher tries to do something cool but they don't know how to be cool so it just looks awkward and everyone cringes.

[Mojooo]

T May and B Johnson - the best leaders in the Consertaive party?

What a time to be alive.

[The Dangerous Elk]

Mojooo said:

T May and B Johnson - the best leaders in the Consertaive party?

What a time to be alive.

Vrs

Corbyn & Abbot

Enjoy these times of enlightenment

[Nath911t]

I didn't see her speech yesterday but the BBC has stated this:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45725615

Defending it (Chequers), she warned delegates that pursuing "our own visions of the perfect Brexit" could lead to "no Brexit at all".

[Jonesy23]

Nath911t said:

pursuing "our own visions of the perfect Brexit" could lead to "no Brexit at all".

Certainly pursuing Chequers (her own vision of the perfect Brexit) leads to no meaningful Brexit at all.

[b2hbm]

Nath911t said:

I didn't see her speech yesterday but the BBC has stated this:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45725615

Defending it (Chequers), she warned delegates that pursuing "our own visions of the perfect Brexit" could lead to "no Brexit at all".

That statement was on the R4 news as well last night and seemed rather desperate to me, almost as if she's trying to bully/threaten her party into following her line. Which is rather strange because "our own versions of Brexit" could be equally applied to Chequers given that it appears to have been defined without cabinet consultation and has already been criticised both within and without her own party. Even the EU don't appear to like it.

But in March next year the 2 year period expires and we're no longer members, so Brexit will happen making her statement untrue. Unless of course she decides to attempt to rescind A50, now that would make the next election interesting.

[johnxjsc1985]

Its not a slogan that would normally inspire confidence but "stick with me or we are all fked" seems to have a ring to it for MAY.

[RichB]

Nath911t said:

I didn't see her speech yesterday but the BBC has stated this:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45725615

Crikey, she even gets a warm critique from Laura Kuenssberg

BBC experts' verdicts
Theresa May's performance

"With the complexities of Brexit, the divisions in her party, the calamity of last year's conference speech, the antics of the former foreign secretary, and of course, her own fragilities, Theresa May has struggled to find her voice - and that's got nothing to do with running out of Strepsils.

Well today she found it, and in the words of one of her cabinet colleagues, not a particularly close ally, said "she found her mojo". From the moment she danced on to the stage (who would have thought we'd ever see that), she looked comfortable in her own skin, actually happy to be there."

[p1stonhead]

Still clinging to ‘opportunity’

[ben5575]

Looking at the front pages this morning, there has been a very clear sea change in their coverage of May/the speech.

The total lack of support for BJ is deafening, he really does seem to be whistling in the wind (or rather shouting flaccidly from the sidelines). For a supposedly clever guy, his total lack of political acumen really is staggering. He's shot his bolt whilst there is no support within the party for a change in leadership and used a column in a paper as his soap box, much to the annoyance of all of the other competing tory papers. No wonder they're rounding on him.

Jesus, it makes the prospect of Gove even more real {shudder}.

Whilst I loathe the woman and her principles, my admiration for her continues to grow. She's showing an almost Churchillian level of resolve in the face of the most extreme pressure from within her party, the press and Europe, yet continues to relentlessly move forward towards her own goal (whether you like it or not). There really aren't that many people out there who could do that (obviously PH aside of course).

[anonymous-user]

ben5575 said:

Looking at the front pages this morning, there has been a very clear sea change in their coverage of May/the speech.

The total lack of support for BJ is deafening, he really does seem to be whistling in the wind (or rather shouting flaccidly from the sidelines). For a supposedly clever guy, his total lack of political acumen really is staggering. He's shot his bolt whilst there is no support within the party for a change in leadership and used a column in a paper as his soap box, much to the annoyance of all of the other competing tory papers. No wonder they're rounding on him.

Jesus, it makes the prospect of Gove even more real {shudder}.

Whilst I loathe the woman and her principles, my admiration for her continues to grow. She's showing an almost Churchillian level of resolve in the face of the most extreme pressure from within her party, the press and Europe, yet continues to relentlessly move forward towards her own goal (whether you like it or not). There really aren't that many people out there who could do that (obviously PH aside of course).

Plenty of dheads from history have had that self belief and resolve, it's not always an asset when you need to be open to other more sensible voices.

She is wrong on chequers, its going to end badly for the tories and the country if she doesn't wake up fast or they get rid of her. Neither looks likely based on this week, but you never know with the tories, they can stab their leader in the back in a heartbeat, just look what happened to Thatcher.

[Mothersruin]

The Chequers deal is pointless, not because it's bad for the UK per se, it'll just never be accepted by the EU so it's irrelevant.

As will any other proposal that is beneficial for the U.K.

Why this isn't understood is beyond me.

[Cobnapint]

ben5575 said:

Looking at the front pages this morning, there has been a very clear sea change in their coverage of May/the speech.

The total lack of support for BJ is deafening, he really does seem to be whistling in the wind (or rather shouting flaccidly from the sidelines). For a supposedly clever guy, his total lack of political acumen really is staggering. He's shot his bolt whilst there is no support within the party for a change in leadership and used a column in a paper as his soap box, much to the annoyance of all of the other competing tory papers. No wonder they're rounding on him.

Jesus, it makes the prospect of Gove even more real {shudder}.

Whilst I loathe the woman and her principles, my admiration for her continues to grow. She's showing an almost Churchillian level of resolve in the face of the most extreme pressure from within her party, the press and Europe, yet continues to relentlessly move forward towards her own goal (whether you like it or not). There really aren't that many people out there who could do that (obviously PH aside of course).

You praise May for relentlessly moving towards her own goal but criticise Boris for following his. He didn't 'just' use column inches to get his point across, he stood at the CPC and said it how it was to rapturous applause ffs. And he's got PLENTY of support within the party for a change of leadership too. Plenty.

[simonrockman]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1047496636392464390

[anonymous-user]

Mothersruin said:

The Chequers deal is pointless, not because it's bad for the UK per se, it'll just never be accepted by the EU so it's irrelevant.

As will any other proposal that is beneficial for the U.K.

Why this isn't understood is beyond me.

Chequers is the step that will end with the whole UK remaining in the EU customs union. Thats the real game at play here.

If May signs up to the Irish backstop and we get some bullst wording in the Withdrawal Agreement about the future trade relationship, that's it, game over, and i think she will do just that.

[Cobnapint]

jsf said:

Chequers is the step that will end with the whole UK remaining in the EU customs union. Thats the real game at play here.

If May signs up to the Irish backstop and we get some bullst wording in the Withdrawal Agreement about the future trade relationship, that's it, game over, and i think she will do just that.

And it won't get through parliament and she'll either have to stay on and promise to follow Canada/Norway/hybrid options, or resign the premiership and delay us leaving until the summer (if that's allowed).

[slow_poke]

jsf said:

Mothersruin said:

The Chequers deal is pointless, not because it's bad for the UK per se, it'll just never be accepted by the EU so it's irrelevant.

As will any other proposal that is beneficial for the U.K.

Why this isn't understood is beyond me.

Chequers is the step that will end with the whole UK remaining in the EU customs union. Thats the real game at play here.

If May signs up to the Irish backstop and we get some bullst wording in the Withdrawal Agreement about the future trade relationship, that's it, game over, and i think she will do just that.

She's already signed up to the Irish Backstop.

But in typical Brexitland, nobody on any side - UK, RoI, or Eu, knows what precisely that backstop is going to be or how it is going to operate.

[ben5575]

Cobnapint said:

You praise May for relentlessly moving towards her own goal but criticise Boris for following his. He didn't 'just' use column inches to get his point across, he stood at the CPC and said it how it was to rapturous applause ffs. And he's got PLENTY of support within the party for a change of leadership too. Plenty.

I'm praising her resolve not her policies; the Lady's not for flouncing.

I'm sure there was a poll of tory members in the last week or so that showed that the significant majority did not want a pre Brexit change in Leadership. I can't find it now, so happy to concede that I may well have dreamt it unless somebody comes to my rescue Lot's of people take the time to go and see Taylor Swift and also give her rapturous applause; it's her captive audience afterall. It doesn't mean that everybody likes Taylor Swift.

BJ/JRM/MG etc will not be looking at the front pages of today's Express/Mail etc and thinking, yep, now's the time make a bid. As a casual observer on the outside, there appears to have been a very clear shift in position by the press.

[JeffreyB]

Having witnessed the embarrassing Dancing Queen strutting her stuff, it set me thinking about other ABBA songs that might suit our politicians. How about Boris dancing onto the stage to the refrain of 'The winner takes it all'.

Any others spring to mind?