45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 7)
Discussion
Byker28i said:
Obstruction proven?
trump had a copy of Boltons manuscript since the end of December. trump and team trump including McConnel have known for almost a month that Bolton described first-hand how Trump personally ordered aid withheld from Ukraine pending investigations into the Bidens! No wonder McConnell tried to rush impeachment through without witnesses
That slow drip of more and more evidence is turning into a flood
The letter shows that the White House owed Bolton an answer within 30 days, which is this week. I wonder if that deadline, and a belief they could keep him quiet until then, was driving the push on impeachment timing.
30 working days I think.trump had a copy of Boltons manuscript since the end of December. trump and team trump including McConnel have known for almost a month that Bolton described first-hand how Trump personally ordered aid withheld from Ukraine pending investigations into the Bidens! No wonder McConnell tried to rush impeachment through without witnesses
That slow drip of more and more evidence is turning into a flood
The letter shows that the White House owed Bolton an answer within 30 days, which is this week. I wonder if that deadline, and a belief they could keep him quiet until then, was driving the push on impeachment timing.
Edited by Byker28i on Monday 27th January 06:16
It could be that The WH suggested that due to security concerns they wouldn't pass it until after the election. JB might just be showing his cards in order to ensure there is no delay....
Challo said:
Durzel said:
It's just f
king nuts that there is naked ambition and self-preservation at the heart of this, wilfully obstructing justice and the removal of a clearly unhinged President.
I know it's obvious that anyone, or at least most people, who get into office do everything they can do to cling onto power once they get in there, but surely even the Republicans must think that Pence would be a saner bet for them.
It's depressing to think about this circus knowing that nothing is going to happen simply because it's in the best interests of all of the individuals who have the power to maintain the status quo. He might be an unstable cretin, but he's their unstable cretin, and the alternative - a Democrat is an outcome none of them can bear to consider, even if it means sacrificing every moral fibre they have.
I know there is thought that you need to appear to your base, but that only gets you so far and you need to get the swing voters to sign and get you into power. They seem to be so far alienating a number of potential voters by following trump off a cliff. king nuts that there is naked ambition and self-preservation at the heart of this, wilfully obstructing justice and the removal of a clearly unhinged President.I know it's obvious that anyone, or at least most people, who get into office do everything they can do to cling onto power once they get in there, but surely even the Republicans must think that Pence would be a saner bet for them.
It's depressing to think about this circus knowing that nothing is going to happen simply because it's in the best interests of all of the individuals who have the power to maintain the status quo. He might be an unstable cretin, but he's their unstable cretin, and the alternative - a Democrat is an outcome none of them can bear to consider, even if it means sacrificing every moral fibre they have.
Edited by Blackpuddin on Monday 27th January 14:28
Byker28i said:
Digger said:
Can someone link to that tweet? It’s a fake?
This one? Where he seems to implicate violence against Schiff? We know Maga supporters have taken violent action after trumps words before. He has increasingly violent rhetoric,https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1221422...
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Shifty Adam Schiff is a CORRUPT POLITICIAN, and probably a very sick man. He has not paid the price, yet, for what he has done to our Country!
5:20 AM - 26 Jan 2020
Fit's in well with saying "TAKE HER OUT" about a US Ambassador...
Blackpuddin said:
Challo said:
Durzel said:
It's just fking nuts that there is naked ambition and self-preservation at the heart of this, wilfully obstructing justice and the removal of a clearly unhinged President.
I know it's obvious that anyone, or at least most people, who get into office do everything they can do to cling onto power once they get in there, but surely even the Republicans must think that Pence would be a saner bet for them.
It's depressing to think about this circus knowing that nothing is going to happen simply because it's in the best interests of all of the individuals who have the power to maintain the status quo. He might be an unstable cretin, but he's their unstable cretin, and the alternative - a Democrat is an outcome none of them can bear to consider, even if it means sacrificing every moral fibre they have.
I know there is thought that you need to appear to your base, but that only gets you so far and you need to get the swing voters to sign and get you into power. They seem to be so far alienating a number of potential voters by following trump off a cliff. king nuts that there is naked ambition and self-preservation at the heart of this, wilfully obstructing justice and the removal of a clearly unhinged President.I know it's obvious that anyone, or at least most people, who get into office do everything they can do to cling onto power once they get in there, but surely even the Republicans must think that Pence would be a saner bet for them.
It's depressing to think about this circus knowing that nothing is going to happen simply because it's in the best interests of all of the individuals who have the power to maintain the status quo. He might be an unstable cretin, but he's their unstable cretin, and the alternative - a Democrat is an outcome none of them can bear to consider, even if it means sacrificing every moral fibre they have.
Edited by Blackpuddin on Monday 27th January 14:28
The Rep senators lining up behind him though - they're different. WIth a few exceptions they've decided, with a clear conscious, to line up behind him no matter what he says or does. It is more important to them that he carries on, so that they can stay in power, than it is to have any moral conviction at all. It's scary how naked this ambition is. I know we get it over here too, but it seems even more insane over there - to the point where actual "fair" hearings are wilfully compromised in every way possible.
Durzel said:
Blackpuddin said:
Challo said:
Durzel said:
It's just fking nuts that there is naked ambition and self-preservation at the heart of this, wilfully obstructing justice and the removal of a clearly unhinged President.
I know it's obvious that anyone, or at least most people, who get into office do everything they can do to cling onto power once they get in there, but surely even the Republicans must think that Pence would be a saner bet for them.
It's depressing to think about this circus knowing that nothing is going to happen simply because it's in the best interests of all of the individuals who have the power to maintain the status quo. He might be an unstable cretin, but he's their unstable cretin, and the alternative - a Democrat is an outcome none of them can bear to consider, even if it means sacrificing every moral fibre they have.
I know there is thought that you need to appear to your base, but that only gets you so far and you need to get the swing voters to sign and get you into power. They seem to be so far alienating a number of potential voters by following trump off a cliff. king nuts that there is naked ambition and self-preservation at the heart of this, wilfully obstructing justice and the removal of a clearly unhinged President.I know it's obvious that anyone, or at least most people, who get into office do everything they can do to cling onto power once they get in there, but surely even the Republicans must think that Pence would be a saner bet for them.
It's depressing to think about this circus knowing that nothing is going to happen simply because it's in the best interests of all of the individuals who have the power to maintain the status quo. He might be an unstable cretin, but he's their unstable cretin, and the alternative - a Democrat is an outcome none of them can bear to consider, even if it means sacrificing every moral fibre they have.
Edited by Blackpuddin on Monday 27th January 14:28
The Rep senators lining up behind him though - they're different. WIth a few exceptions they've decided, with a clear conscious, to line up behind him no matter what he says or does. It is more important to them that he carries on, so that they can stay in power, than it is to have any moral conviction at all. It's scary how naked this ambition is. I know we get it over here too, but it seems even more insane over there - to the point where actual "fair" hearings are wilfully compromised in every way possible.
Spx said:
They've got a point.Before he ran for president all Trump meant to me was that the TV needed turned off.
The sad thing is that 'drain the swamp' and 'end the forever wars' were (and still are) things that people want to see. They were policies not being offered by any other candidate.
Even by the time he got elected I think for many people including myself it hadn't sunk in quite how much of an awful human being he was.
paulguitar said:
Carl_Manchester said:
Spx said:
John Boltons book available on Amazon March 17 2020.
Getting fired by Trump makes for good copy. Slow said:
paulguitar said:
Carl_Manchester said:
Spx said:
John Boltons book available on Amazon March 17 2020.
Getting fired by Trump makes for good copy. Even if any or all of that was true, which in many cases is questionable, it would be pretty depressing to think that an average voter would be so self-obsessed that they would not care at all that their representative in front of the world is transparently a crook as well as a cretin.
As someone who’s partner is American, I can tell you many have higher standards.
The question was to Carl, aside from that.
Slow said:
It doesnt really matter though does it. Your average American is paying less tax, earns more, house is worth more and has a job so what trump does which might not be "correct" makes little difference to their lives as long as they wake up every day and continue to have a good life.
..and by the time Trump's multiple fk-ups actually come home to roost, someone else will be in power, so at that time the various parties will be squabbling over whose fault it is that the average American is paying more tax, earning less, with no job, a depreciating house and no power to run their air conditioners.paulguitar said:
Carl_Manchester said:
Spx said:
John Boltons book available on Amazon March 17 2020.
Getting fired by Trump makes for good copy. In terms of him delivering what he said he would he is doing far better than the previous three British governments did with delivering their manifesto.
Some people are just not willing to accept the democratic process anymore, no matter how ‘good’ or ‘bad’ a sitting president is.
I just see much of the wailing as background noise hiding this truth. If Biden wins the next election i will probably support him, like i supported Obama.
In the interim, Trump is proving many people wrong by delivering the goods.
Carl_Manchester said:
In terms of him delivering what he said he would he is doing far better than the previous three British governments did with delivering their manifesto.
In the interim, Trump is proving many people wrong by delivering the goods.
Outline the promises he made that he has delivered on?In the interim, Trump is proving many people wrong by delivering the goods.
Carl_Manchester said:
You have to measure politicians with an historical lense, Trump is no Bill Clinton but out of all those who ran he was the best candidate. If the candidate wins you need to back him and get behind him with the knowledge that presidents come and go.
In terms of him delivering what he said he would he is doing far better than the previous three British governments did with delivering their manifesto.
Some people are just not willing to accept the democratic process anymore, no matter how ‘good’ or ‘bad’ a sitting president is.
I just see much of the wailing as background noise hiding this truth. If Biden wins the next election i will probably support him, like i supported Obama.
In the interim, Trump is proving many people wrong by delivering the goods.
I'm awlays astonished by Trump supported sounding completely definitive and yet, without fail, not actually providing a shred of evidence or objective proof!In terms of him delivering what he said he would he is doing far better than the previous three British governments did with delivering their manifesto.
Some people are just not willing to accept the democratic process anymore, no matter how ‘good’ or ‘bad’ a sitting president is.
I just see much of the wailing as background noise hiding this truth. If Biden wins the next election i will probably support him, like i supported Obama.
In the interim, Trump is proving many people wrong by delivering the goods.
What has trump delivered?
Carl_Manchester said:
Some people are just not willing to accept the democratic process anymore, no matter how ‘good’ or ‘bad’ a sitting president is.
You mean senators unwilling to permit witnesses in the "trial" of the president?I agree, they are completely subverting the process.
I keep hearing all these talking head GOP morons crapping on about "let the voters decide in November"... ah, no - that is ONE PART of the democratic process not the be all and end all.
Impeachment is there for a reason.
Presidents aren't unimpeachable in the last year of their term or within some unspecified time horizon before an election.
Slow said:
paulguitar said:
Carl_Manchester said:
Spx said:
John Boltons book available on Amazon March 17 2020.
Getting fired by Trump makes for good copy. Of course, if you're in manufacturing, farming, or trying to buy something affected by trumps tariffs then you're seriously out of pocket...
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