Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"
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I suspect after 8 years without any concrete or convincing evidence, this is going to become another Mary Celeste. Plenty of plausible explanations, but nothing definitive.
You pick your preferred explanation, and debate the other options. The families of the missing are unlikely to get closure, sadly.
You pick your preferred explanation, and debate the other options. The families of the missing are unlikely to get closure, sadly.
eldar said:
I suspect after 8 years without any concrete or convincing evidence, this is going to become another Mary Celeste. Plenty of plausible explanations, but nothing definitive.
You pick your preferred explanation, and debate the other options. The families of the missing are unlikely to get closure, sadly.
The whole point of the Mary Celeste is that it was found, but yes, nobody will know for sure.You pick your preferred explanation, and debate the other options. The families of the missing are unlikely to get closure, sadly.
Mike Chillit has posted evidence about where it is. He suggests that the aircraft has been found and the scans of the seabed where it is have been doctored to remove the evidence. What he doesn’t say is although the inference appears to be that it’s to save the loss of face of having looked in the wrong place.
More info https://www.mikechillit.org/
More info https://www.mikechillit.org/
Chrisgr31 said:
Mike Chillit has posted evidence about where it is. He suggests that the aircraft has been found and the scans of the seabed where it is have been doctored to remove the evidence. What he doesn’t say is although the inference appears to be that it’s to save the loss of face of having looked in the wrong place.
More info https://www.mikechillit.org/
Does he sell tin foil?More info https://www.mikechillit.org/
So many assumptions in that post and the whole thing reads like someone who's become obsessed with finding something that's not there - And its not the plane he's looking for.
200bhp said:
Chrisgr31 said:
Mike Chillit has posted evidence about where it is. He suggests that the aircraft has been found and the scans of the seabed where it is have been doctored to remove the evidence. What he doesn’t say is although the inference appears to be that it’s to save the loss of face of having looked in the wrong place.
More info https://www.mikechillit.org/
Does he sell tin foil?More info https://www.mikechillit.org/
So many assumptions in that post and the whole thing reads like someone who's become obsessed with finding something that's not there - And its not the plane he's looking for.
If found they have a comms kill switch and then would go quiet until it was confirmed or denied.
He explained that there were so many people on the boats that if found there was no way info wouldn't leak out post confirmation.
So to say it's been found and hidden is bulls
t.More parts found, possibly with some more clues as to what happened.
MH370: Landing gear lowered before doomed flight crashed ‘suggesting criminal intent’
MH370: Landing gear lowered before doomed flight crashed ‘suggesting criminal intent’
Edited by dvs_dave on Tuesday 13th December 03:39
dvs_dave said:
More parts found, possibly with some more clues as to what happened.
MH370: Landing gear lowered before doomed flight crashed ‘suggesting criminal intent’
I’m sure there is more to the report that what is in that news story, but to suggest the gear was down because they found part of the gear doors is pushing it a bit isn’t it, especially as we know the plane is in many thousands of piecesMH370: Landing gear lowered before doomed flight crashed ‘suggesting criminal intent’
Edited by dvs_dave on Tuesday 13th December 03:39
Unless they find a landing gear lock which is engaged or perhaps the actual landing gear lever in the down position (both of which are highly unlikely to be found) I would be very sceptical about this as the force of the impact could easily break the aircraft into parts like this.
Even if the door showed signs of impact its not enough, IMVHO, to say the gear was down.
Also this piece is tiny the gear doors on a 777 are massive.
It must be a fragment, which to me just points to high speed crash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4bTPq6qNTs
Even if the door showed signs of impact its not enough, IMVHO, to say the gear was down.
Also this piece is tiny the gear doors on a 777 are massive.
It must be a fragment, which to me just points to high speed crash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4bTPq6qNTs
dvs_dave said:
More parts found, possibly with some more clues as to what happened.
MH370: Landing gear lowered before doomed flight crashed ‘suggesting criminal intent’
That bit of wreckage hasnt been in the sea?MH370: Landing gear lowered before doomed flight crashed ‘suggesting criminal intent’
Edited by dvs_dave on Tuesday 13th December 03:39
dvs_dave said:
More parts found, possibly with some more clues as to what happened.
MH370: Landing gear lowered before doomed flight crashed ‘suggesting criminal intent’
What a piss-poor article.MH370: Landing gear lowered before doomed flight crashed ‘suggesting criminal intent’
Edited by dvs_dave on Tuesday 13th December 03:39
"The washed up landing gear door has most likely been penetrated from the inside by the Boeing 777’s engines disintegrating on impact"
That just doesn't make sense.
"Lowering the landing gear would have caused the jet to flood and sink faster once in the water"
Even though the landing gear wells are separate from the passenger cabin.
Halmyre said:
dvs_dave said:
More parts found, possibly with some more clues as to what happened.
MH370: Landing gear lowered before doomed flight crashed ‘suggesting criminal intent’
What a piss-poor article.MH370: Landing gear lowered before doomed flight crashed ‘suggesting criminal intent’
Edited by dvs_dave on Tuesday 13th December 03:39
"The washed up landing gear door has most likely been penetrated from the inside by the Boeing 777’s engines disintegrating on impact"
That just doesn't make sense.
"Lowering the landing gear would have caused the jet to flood and sink faster once in the water"
Even though the landing gear wells are separate from the passenger cabin.
I took the damage to be penetration from the fan disk disintegrating on impact and hitting the door in the open position. That said, it is rather a stretch.
The sinking fast I could reason as the gear would be damage ion impact with the water and potentially rip holes in the pressure vessel. I am struggling with that one as well.
The sinking fast I could reason as the gear would be damage ion impact with the water and potentially rip holes in the pressure vessel. I am struggling with that one as well.
I can't add anything to the more technical posts, but I have a question from a more practical point of view: in such situation, why would the pilot lower the landing gear?
If all on board were unconscious, for whatever reason, then the plane would have ditched in the normal flight configuration. That's what most believe to be the case, so gear was up.
If someone in the cockpit was conscious and wanted to kill everyone on board, a high speed impact in the sea was all that was needed. Lowering the landing gear wouldn't make any difference and I don't believe that someone who's about to commit suicide would lower it just to puzzle the investigators...
If someone in the cockpit was conscious and wanted to try to land on water, then the last thing he'd done is lowering the landing gear.
If all on board were unconscious, for whatever reason, then the plane would have ditched in the normal flight configuration. That's what most believe to be the case, so gear was up.
If someone in the cockpit was conscious and wanted to kill everyone on board, a high speed impact in the sea was all that was needed. Lowering the landing gear wouldn't make any difference and I don't believe that someone who's about to commit suicide would lower it just to puzzle the investigators...
If someone in the cockpit was conscious and wanted to try to land on water, then the last thing he'd done is lowering the landing gear.
AlexIT said:
I can't add anything to the more technical posts, but I have a question from a more practical point of view: in such situation, why would the pilot lower the landing gear?
If all on board were unconscious, for whatever reason, then the plane would have ditched in the normal flight configuration. That's what most believe to be the case, so gear was up.
If someone in the cockpit was conscious and wanted to kill everyone on board, a high speed impact in the sea was all that was needed. Lowering the landing gear wouldn't make any difference and I don't believe that someone who's about to commit suicide would lower it just to puzzle the investigators...
If someone in the cockpit was conscious and wanted to try to land on water, then the last thing he'd done is lowering the landing gear.
You’re mistaking ‘common normal sense’ with thoughts of suicide. Those that commit suicide aren’t the types that generally threaten to jump off a bridge, and make it known they are going to do it and then get talked out of it … They just jump. If all on board were unconscious, for whatever reason, then the plane would have ditched in the normal flight configuration. That's what most believe to be the case, so gear was up.
If someone in the cockpit was conscious and wanted to kill everyone on board, a high speed impact in the sea was all that was needed. Lowering the landing gear wouldn't make any difference and I don't believe that someone who's about to commit suicide would lower it just to puzzle the investigators...
If someone in the cockpit was conscious and wanted to try to land on water, then the last thing he'd done is lowering the landing gear.
In that pilots head for all we know, lowering the wheels was his thought process of bringing it to an end safely,
even though it never could.
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