UKIP - The Future - Volume 4
Discussion
Trabi601 said:
Deptford Draylons said:
You were asked to use your brain as to the scale of the problem. You provided one lame example, that doesn't even really fit, as a way to spread the blame around and then of course do your little Islamophobe act.
Lets start to cure the problem by saying which is the bigger problem in the UK by a factor that's off the scale disproportionately. Is it extremist C of E vicars, or extremist preaching and literature in and out of Mosques, as per the example ?
The biggest threat?Lets start to cure the problem by saying which is the bigger problem in the UK by a factor that's off the scale disproportionately. Is it extremist C of E vicars, or extremist preaching and literature in and out of Mosques, as per the example ?
The insular, racist and xenophobic idiots who 'hate' a whole race / religion based on the actions of a few nut jobs. That's exactly what ISIS want to achieve, as it justifies their cause. But there are many who are so blinded by their own rage they cannot see this.
Manchester came together this week - didn't matter what colour, race, religion you were - it was a city united against the minority wanting to disrupt our way of life.
It's a shame a number of the PH racist contingent can't see it the same way.
jjlynn27 said:
Deptford Draylons said:
You were asked to use your brain as to the scale of the problem.
Doubt that anyone will be cruel enough to ask you to use yours.Deptford Draylons said:
You provided one lame example, that doesn't even really fit, as a way to spread the blame around and then of course do your little Islamophobe act.
Lets start to cure the problem by saying which is the bigger problem in the UK by a factor that's off the scale disproportionately. Is it extremist C of E vicars, or extremist preaching and literature in and out of Mosques, as per the example ?
Why are you so intent on derailing this thread? This is the thread to laugh at UKIP's idiocies. Lets start to cure the problem by saying which is the bigger problem in the UK by a factor that's off the scale disproportionately. Is it extremist C of E vicars, or extremist preaching and literature in and out of Mosques, as per the example ?
Plenty of 'I really dislike moslamics' threads around.
Since you willfully missed the several explanations, the point was why it was easy to call out Ukip leaflets and people as fascist and be mainstream TV for it, yet so few can do the same with material being spread around in the Manchester mosque example.
Save yourself the time if you are only going to reply with your now signature reply.
Trabi601 said:
Deptford Draylons said:
You were asked to use your brain as to the scale of the problem. You provided one lame example, that doesn't even really fit, as a way to spread the blame around and then of course do your little Islamophobe act.
Lets start to cure the problem by saying which is the bigger problem in the UK by a factor that's off the scale disproportionately. Is it extremist C of E vicars, or extremist preaching and literature in and out of Mosques, as per the example ?
The biggest threat?Lets start to cure the problem by saying which is the bigger problem in the UK by a factor that's off the scale disproportionately. Is it extremist C of E vicars, or extremist preaching and literature in and out of Mosques, as per the example ?
The insular, racist and xenophobic idiots who 'hate' a whole race / religion based on the actions of a few nut jobs. That's exactly what ISIS want to achieve, as it justifies their cause. But there are many who are so blinded by their own rage they cannot see this.
Manchester came together this week - didn't matter what colour, race, religion you were - it was a city united against the minority wanting to disrupt our way of life.
It's a shame a number of the PH racist contingent can't see it the same way.
Deptford Draylons said:
Yes, it will all be fluffy and lovely in the future if only I would stop asking on PH why a Manchester mosque feels OK with pushing out divisive material and what the scale of the problem is. Dream on and continue to shout racist.
Is this not a thread about ukip? Deptford Draylons said:
Yes, it will all be fluffy and lovely in the future if only I would stop asking on PH why a Manchester mosque feels OK with pushing out divisive material and what the scale of the problem is. Dream on and continue to shout racist.
AIUI the leaflet wasn't printed by, distributed by, or supported by the Mosque. Is that not the case?Disastrous said:
Deptford Draylons said:
Yes, it will all be fluffy and lovely in the future if only I would stop asking on PH why a Manchester mosque feels OK with pushing out divisive material and what the scale of the problem is. Dream on and continue to shout racist.
Is this not a thread about ukip? Deptford Draylons said:
It is. I tried to make a very simple point of why its almost career enhance to label a Ukip leaflet as fascist material ( if it were really the electoral commission would be all over it ) and why next to no one will do the same on material handed out at a mosque, since BV mentioned it and it was on QT last night. Why is that you think ?
I could be mistaken but I think BV mentioned a UKIP leaflet, which would be relevant to a UKIP thread.It was your good self that said "Ah well whatabout. muslim mosque leaflet" (which doesn't seem to be anything to do with the Mosque.....)
Countdown said:
Deptford Draylons said:
Yes, it will all be fluffy and lovely in the future if only I would stop asking on PH why a Manchester mosque feels OK with pushing out divisive material and what the scale of the problem is. Dream on and continue to shout racist.
AIUI the leaflet wasn't printed by, distributed by, or supported by the Mosque. Is that not the case?Countdown said:
Deptford Draylons said:
It is. I tried to make a very simple point of why its almost career enhance to label a Ukip leaflet as fascist material ( if it were really the electoral commission would be all over it ) and why next to no one will do the same on material handed out at a mosque, since BV mentioned it and it was on QT last night. Why is that you think ?
I could be mistaken but I think BV mentioned a UKIP leaflet, which would be relevant to a UKIP thread.It was your good self that said "Ah well whatabout. muslim mosque leaflet" (which doesn't seem to be anything to do with the Mosque.....)
Deptford Draylons said:
Don't know about printed, but if they are putting it out as being available on their premises, they either don't mind/care or doing a piss poor job at keeping such literature out.
But "they" aren't putting it out. From what I've read they're not even aware of it but think somebody may have left a stack of leaflets on their premises. Personally you could argue that they should be checking who is leaving what and binning it if it isn't appropriate, but that's a million miles away from people suggesting that the Mosque are playing an active part or even turning a blind eye to people disseminating hate material. Deptford Draylons said:
If it were one lone example, you might dismiss it. As its part of long history of such material and worse being put out with extremist speakers, I'm thinking its still a problem despite the rhetoric.
What other stuff have they been up to?Deptford Draylons said:
Disastrous said:
Deptford Draylons said:
Yes, it will all be fluffy and lovely in the future if only I would stop asking on PH why a Manchester mosque feels OK with pushing out divisive material and what the scale of the problem is. Dream on and continue to shout racist.
Is this not a thread about ukip? Your leaflet is frightening if an official document and saddening if not.
I don't feel inclined to mock the spelling or crude imagery especially as it seems a lot more malicious.
By all means, start a thread on it and I'll happily condemn it and say it shouldn't have been handed out. I'll condemn the mosque too if it was an official document. I'd like to see it myself though so could you post a link?
In the meantime, we can use this thread to make fun of the kippers and their mad profiles, right?
Deptford Draylons said:
Great contribution as ever. More of your signature ' you're a moron/racist ' that blights every single thread you get involved with.
Since you willfully missed the several explanations, the point was why it was easy to call out Ukip leaflets and people as fascist and be mainstream TV for it, yet so few can do the same with material being spread around in the Manchester mosque example.
Save yourself the time if you are only going to reply with your now signature reply.
So, more of whataboutery. Since you willfully missed the several explanations, the point was why it was easy to call out Ukip leaflets and people as fascist and be mainstream TV for it, yet so few can do the same with material being spread around in the Manchester mosque example.
Save yourself the time if you are only going to reply with your now signature reply.
I don't see anyone calling UKIP fascist. Simple and xenophobic, yes, quite rightly.
Disastrous said:
I don't think that's true. UKIP are comically inept so it's easy to mock them.
Your leaflet is frightening if an official document and saddening if not.
I don't feel inclined to mock the spelling or crude imagery especially as it seems a lot more malicious.
By all means, start a thread on it and I'll happily condemn it and say it shouldn't have been handed out. I'll condemn the mosque too if it was an official document. I'd like to see it myself though so could you post a link?
In the meantime, we can use this thread to make fun of the kippers and their mad profiles, right?
Hmm mad no, timing went out of their hands with brexit referendum, stranded high and dry [like SNP] , still pronouncing sensible UK centric policies unlike Corbyn and to lesser extent May..Your leaflet is frightening if an official document and saddening if not.
I don't feel inclined to mock the spelling or crude imagery especially as it seems a lot more malicious.
By all means, start a thread on it and I'll happily condemn it and say it shouldn't have been handed out. I'll condemn the mosque too if it was an official document. I'd like to see it myself though so could you post a link?
In the meantime, we can use this thread to make fun of the kippers and their mad profiles, right?
jjlynn27 said:
Deptford Draylons said:
Great contribution as ever. More of your signature ' you're a moron/racist ' that blights every single thread you get involved with.
Since you willfully missed the several explanations, the point was why it was easy to call out Ukip leaflets and people as fascist and be mainstream TV for it, yet so few can do the same with material being spread around in the Manchester mosque example.
Save yourself the time if you are only going to reply with your now signature reply.
So, more of whataboutery. Since you willfully missed the several explanations, the point was why it was easy to call out Ukip leaflets and people as fascist and be mainstream TV for it, yet so few can do the same with material being spread around in the Manchester mosque example.
Save yourself the time if you are only going to reply with your now signature reply.
I don't see anyone calling UKIP fascist. Simple and xenophobic, yes, quite rightly.
Disastrous said:
Deptford Draylons said:
Disastrous said:
Deptford Draylons said:
Yes, it will all be fluffy and lovely in the future if only I would stop asking on PH why a Manchester mosque feels OK with pushing out divisive material and what the scale of the problem is. Dream on and continue to shout racist.
Is this not a thread about ukip? Your leaflet is frightening if an official document and saddening if not.
I don't feel inclined to mock the spelling or crude imagery especially as it seems a lot more malicious.
By all means, start a thread on it and I'll happily condemn it and say it shouldn't have been handed out. I'll condemn the mosque too if it was an official document. I'd like to see it myself though so could you post a link?
In the meantime, we can use this thread to make fun of the kippers and their mad profiles, right?
I made a point when BV said there leaflet was a hate sheet and they'd gone full on xenophobe, that it's easy to call their literature such and positively trendy to do so, but since the mosque leaflet in the news that morning, few will do the same of that. I asked why that was and everyone has gone of in all directions to avoid saying.
Countdown said:
Deptford Draylons said:
Don't know about printed, but if they are putting it out as being available on their premises, they either don't mind/care or doing a piss poor job at keeping such literature out.
But "they" aren't putting it out. From what I've read they're not even aware of it but think somebody may have left a stack of leaflets on their premises. Personally you could argue that they should be checking who is leaving what and binning it if it isn't appropriate, but that's a million miles away from people suggesting that the Mosque are playing an active part or even turning a blind eye to people disseminating hate material. Deptford Draylons said:
If it were one lone example, you might dismiss it. As its part of long history of such material and worse being put out with extremist speakers, I'm thinking its still a problem despite the rhetoric.
What other stuff have they been up to?I should have worded that last part more clearly to say it was in general, and not directly towards the Didsbury mosque having a long history.
Deptford Draylons said:
I wasn't talking about the ease of mocking Ukip, I fully agree there !
I made a point when BV said there leaflet was a hate sheet and they'd gone full on xenophobe, that it's easy to call their literature such and positively trendy to do so, but since the mosque leaflet in the news that morning, few will do the same of that. I asked why that was and everyone has gone of in all directions to avoid saying.
Several of us have said we haven't seen the Didsbury leaflet, so can't comment on it. I'd like to know if it claimed to be official, for example. I made a point when BV said there leaflet was a hate sheet and they'd gone full on xenophobe, that it's easy to call their literature such and positively trendy to do so, but since the mosque leaflet in the news that morning, few will do the same of that. I asked why that was and everyone has gone of in all directions to avoid saying.
If you post a copy of it then I'll gladly discuss it. Just like we're discussing the UKIP leaflets we've had the opportunity to see.
techiedave said:
I know just what you mean. I think your one of the more open minded and pragmatic posters on PH. I can see it but it took a while. Give the others time they may see it too. Try and forgive them for being narrow minded they cant help I.
No one can help II did chuckle - that was classic sarcasm right?
B'stard Child said:
techiedave said:
I know just what you mean. I think your one of the more open minded and pragmatic posters on PH. I can see it but it took a while. Give the others time they may see it too. Try and forgive them for being narrow minded they cant help I.
No one can help II did chuckle - that was classic sarcasm right?
I admitted to being a racist as I have some reservations about some Islamic types. Traib has reminded me of that on various threads on various opportunities. That will be inbetween him reporting people to Haymarket. I since found out in the last few days that I am not a racist. This is because a n ex bearded guy explained in great detail about how he is disrespected by some of his fellow bearded neighbours because he chooses to not adhere to the Koran. He married a white girl and they have 2 lovely kids.
Sarcasm aside it was really interesting talking to him. He explained about how in some communities of bearded guys there are dominant forces that expect this and that. But that a lot of his mates just do what they want anyway though not to the extent that he has. According to him I (me ) am not a racist as my views about some of the bearded guys are the same as his.
His words went something like this. its a box of marbles on the face of it they are all marbles but when you look closely you can see there are different colours of marbles then if you look more closely you can see that some of those colours have different shades. The point is I got what he meant anyway.
So as he was a bearded gentleman (hes clean shaven now) I think I will accept his assessment of me over and above Mr Traibs
But I do feel that Mr Traib does a sterling job and should be commended for his efforts he does the 6 hour shift on here then usually hands over. He'll be along later on I imagine
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 27th May 09:04
techiedave said:
B'stard Child said:
techiedave said:
I know just what you mean. I think your one of the more open minded and pragmatic posters on PH. I can see it but it took a while. Give the others time they may see it too. Try and forgive them for being narrow minded they cant help I.
No one can help II did chuckle - that was classic sarcasm right?
I admitted to being a racist as I have some reservations about some Islamic types. Traib has reminded me of that on various threads on various opportunities. That will be inbetween him reporting people to Haymarket. I since found out in the last few days that I am not a racist. This is because a n ex bearded guy explained in great detail about how he is disrespected by some of his fellow bearded neighbours because he chooses to not adhere to the Koran. He married a white girl and they have 2 lovely kids.
Sarcasm aside it was really interesting talking to him. He explained about how in some communities of bearded guys there are dominant forces that expect this and that. But that a lot of his mates just do what they want anyway though not to the extent that he has. According to him I (me ) am not a racist as my views about some of the bearded guys are the same as his.
His words went something like this. its a box of marbles on the face of it they are all marbles but when you look closely you can see there are different colours of marbles then if you look more closely you can see that some of those colours have different shades. The point is I got what he meant anyway.
So as he was a bearded gentleman (hes clean shaven now) I think I will accept his assessment of me over and above Mr Traibs
But I do feel that Mr Traib does a sterling job and should be commended for his efforts he does the 6 hour shift on here then usually hands over. He'll be along later on I imagine
Edited by techiedave on Saturday 27th May 09:04
Now if they want it to be something else - well then I think it would be better if they found another home because I'm not prepared to accept our way of life to change to suit theirs
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