Discussion
wisbech said:
Ironic that a process started (the referendum) to deal with internal Conservative party politics looks like it might end up breaking them
And, unfortunately, taking our country through unnecessary difficulties in the process.Why could they not just have had a big row and split/collapsed on their own?
amusingduck said:
MC Bodge said:
Why could they not just have had a big row and split/collapsed on their own?
Do you think that would have ended the country's anti-EU sentiment?It certainly wasn't a topic of conversation, even for my "reactionary, little England, man in the street, state of the nation swingometer" Father in Law.
Muslims and the islamification of the UK were more his concern than Eastern Europeans, (along with disliking Labour and liking the Royals/Diana, but not Price Charles). Living as he does in an affluent Cheshire village.
The referendum allowed him to (Daily) Express himself and "sovereignty" appealed to him and his love of Royalty, along with fears of "immigrants" (ie. muslims).
He told me that for him it was about "gut feel", not facts.
MC Bodge said:
I don't belive that many people were that bothered about leaving the EU prior to the referendum build up.
Evidence suggest otherwise, which is why we had the referendum in the first place.MC Bodge said:
It certainly wasn't a topic of conversation, even for my "reactionary, little England, man in the street, state of the nation swingometer" Father in Law.
Muslims and the islamification of the UK were more his concern than Eastern Europeans, (along with disliking Labour and liking the Royals/Diana, but not Price Charles). Living as he does in an affluent Cheshire village.
The referendum allowed him to (Daily) Express himself and "sovereignty" appealed to him and his love of Royalty, along with fears of "immigrants" (ie. muslims).
He told me that for him it was about "gut feel", not facts.
Anecodates are amusing but unhelpful.Muslims and the islamification of the UK were more his concern than Eastern Europeans, (along with disliking Labour and liking the Royals/Diana, but not Price Charles). Living as he does in an affluent Cheshire village.
The referendum allowed him to (Daily) Express himself and "sovereignty" appealed to him and his love of Royalty, along with fears of "immigrants" (ie. muslims).
He told me that for him it was about "gut feel", not facts.
Edited by sidicks on Friday 12th October 07:42
MC Bodge said:
amusingduck said:
MC Bodge said:
Why could they not just have had a big row and split/collapsed on their own?
Do you think that would have ended the country's anti-EU sentiment?It certainly wasn't a topic of conversation, even for my "reactionary, little England, man in the street, state of the nation swingometer" Father in Law.
Muslims and the islamification of the UK were more his concern than Eastern Europeans, (along with disliking Labour and liking the Royals/Diana, but not Price Charles). Living as he does in an affluent Cheshire village.
The referendum allowed him to (Daily) Express himself and "sovereignty" appealed to him and his love of Royalty, along with fears of "immigrants" (ie. muslims).
He told me that for him it was about "gut feel", not facts.
Nip it in the bud now before the public's growing desire to leave the EU tips the balance in their favour.
It was already too late.
sidicks said:
Jockman said:
I suppose for some it depends on where you live and your experience of immigration.
Having said that, 17.4 million people was a surprise to me.
I think it depends on multiple factors, not just your experience of immigration.Having said that, 17.4 million people was a surprise to me.
That’s not to say that all brexit voters had immigration as their primary driver.
Jockman said:
sidicks said:
Jockman said:
I suppose for some it depends on where you live and your experience of immigration.
Having said that, 17.4 million people was a surprise to me.
I think it depends on multiple factors, not just your experience of immigration.Having said that, 17.4 million people was a surprise to me.
That’s not to say that all brexit voters had immigration as their primary driver.
Nearly half (49%) of leave voters said the biggest single reason for wanting to leave the EU was “the principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK”.
One third (33%) said the main reason was that leaving “offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders.”
amusingduck said:
It wasn't even the most popular reason for wanting to Leave
Nearly half (49%) of leave voters said the biggest single reason for wanting to leave the EU was “the principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK”.
One third (33%) said the main reason was that leaving “offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders.”
Outside of communities affected by immigration that 49% would have been much higher. Inside those same communities the 33% would have been higher. Nearly half (49%) of leave voters said the biggest single reason for wanting to leave the EU was “the principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK”.
One third (33%) said the main reason was that leaving “offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders.”
Jockman said:
MC Bodge said:
I don't belive that many people were that bothered about leaving the EU prior to the referendum build up. .
I suppose for some it depends on where you live and your experience of immigration. Having said that, 17.4 million people was a surprise to me.
MC Bodge said:
I don't belive that many people were that bothered about leaving the EU prior to the referendum build up.
It certainly wasn't a topic of conversation, even for my "reactionary, little England, man in the street, state of the nation swingometer" Father in Law.
Muslims and the islamification of the UK were more his concern than Eastern Europeans, (along with disliking Labour and liking the Royals/Diana, but not Price Charles). Living as he does in an affluent Cheshire village.
The referendum allowed him to (Daily) Express himself and "sovereignty" appealed to him and his love of Royalty, along with fears of "immigrants" (ie. muslims).
He told me that for him it was about "gut feel", not facts.
It certainly wasn't a topic of conversation, even for my "reactionary, little England, man in the street, state of the nation swingometer" Father in Law.
Muslims and the islamification of the UK were more his concern than Eastern Europeans, (along with disliking Labour and liking the Royals/Diana, but not Price Charles). Living as he does in an affluent Cheshire village.
The referendum allowed him to (Daily) Express himself and "sovereignty" appealed to him and his love of Royalty, along with fears of "immigrants" (ie. muslims).
He told me that for him it was about "gut feel", not facts.
MC Bodge said:
My aforementioned Father in Law did occasionally mention some (usually) nonsense about EU rules forcing us to do something/health and safety/political correctness, but it wasn't a strongly held belief that we should leave. He hadn't thought that far ahead.
Anyone would think your anecdotes about your wife's Father are trying to tell a story, anymore little gems about a Father in Law you clearly have nothing other than contempt for? Or do you enjoy a pint down the pub together every Sunday before the roast dinner?
MC Bodge said:
amusingduck said:
MC Bodge said:
Why could they not just have had a big row and split/collapsed on their own?
Do you think that would have ended the country's anti-EU sentiment?It certainly wasn't a topic of conversation, even for my "reactionary, little England, man in the street, state of the nation swingometer" Father in Law.
Muslims and the islamification of the UK were more his concern than Eastern Europeans, (along with disliking Labour and liking the Royals/Diana, but not Price Charles). Living as he does in an affluent Cheshire village.
The referendum allowed him to (Daily) Express himself and "sovereignty" appealed to him and his love of Royalty, along with fears of "immigrants" (ie. muslims).
He told me that for him it was about "gut feel", not facts.
powerstroke said:
For me I've disliked the EU its rules , petty regulations and set up as long as I've been politicly aware some 35 plus years , winning the referendum was and still joyous, possibly the best political event in my lifetime ,
Haw advance is the dementia, you seem of your rocker ?
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