Climate change - the POLITICAL debate (Vol 6)

[Lotus 50]

mybrainhurts said:

Thick donkeys can't even hold their HOPE IN ACTION banner the right way round...

Didn't it occur to you that they might be holding it that way around so that people following the demo can read it?

[robinessex]

Lotus 50 said:

mybrainhurts said:

Thick donkeys can't even hold their HOPE IN ACTION banner the right way round...

Didn't it occur to you that they might be holding it that way around so that people following the demo can read it?

Why would anyone follow it?

[Lotus 50]

robinessex said:

Why would anyone follow it?

Well for a start there's the normal Bristol traffic that they're holding up (which was what I was referring too) or people walking behind the demo just going about their normal stuff... you know following as in walking/driving behind someone/something...

[mybrainhurts]

Lotus 50 said:

mybrainhurts said:

Thick donkeys can't even hold their HOPE IN ACTION banner the right way round...

Didn't it occur to you that they might be holding it that way around so that people following the demo can read it?

No...

[Kawasicki]

Again, just read a frightening article from Scientific American...not sure whether to post this here, or on the climate science page. The waiting is over, the climate emergency is here.

Journalism should reflect what science says: the climate emergency is here.

This idea is not a journalistic fancy. We are on solid scientific ground.

you(we) have the biggest environmental emergency to beset the earth in millennia: climate change.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/we-are-...

[robinessex]

Kawasicki said:

Again, just read a frightening article from Scientific American...not sure whether to post this here, or on the climate science page. The waiting is over, the climate emergency is here.

Journalism should reflect what science says: the climate emergency is here.

This idea is not a journalistic fancy. We are on solid scientific ground.

you(we) have the biggest environmental emergency to beset the earth in millennia: climate change.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/we-are-...

And what do they use to illustrate the climate emergency? California fires, which are all started by humans deliberately or accidently. Sod all to do with the climate.

More bks:-

Now consider the following scenarios: A hurricane blasts Florida. A California dam bursts because floods have piled water high up behind it. A sudden, record-setting cold snap cuts power to the entire state of Texas. These are also emergencies that require immediate action. Multiply these situations worldwide, and you have the biggest environmental emergency to beset the earth in millennia: climate change.

[dangerousB]

robinessex said:

Kawasicki said:

Again, just read a frightening article from Scientific American...not sure whether to post this here, or on the climate science page. The waiting is over, the climate emergency is here.

Journalism should reflect what science says: the climate emergency is here.

This idea is not a journalistic fancy. We are on solid scientific ground.

you(we) have the biggest environmental emergency to beset the earth in millennia: climate change.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/we-are-...

And what do they use to illustrate the climate emergency? California fires, which are all started by humans deliberately or accidently. Sod all to do with the climate.

More bks:-

Now consider the following scenarios: A hurricane blasts Florida. A California dam bursts because floods have piled water high up behind it. A sudden, record-setting cold snap cuts power to the entire state of Texas. These are also emergencies that require immediate action. Multiply these situations worldwide, and you have the biggest environmental emergency to beset the earth in millennia: climate change.

I would say this article is more prescient:-

https://abruptearthchanges.com/2019/11/13/i-surviv...

[turbobloke]

dangerousB said:

I would say this article is more prescient:-

https://abruptearthchanges.com/2019/11/13/i-surviv...

Definitely, John "global warming ia beyond catastrophe" Kerry needs to read it, but it'd go in one eye and out the other (and we have only nine years left). What were Prince Charles and Gordon B rown doing with their false prophecies of time left? Kerry must be the real prophet.

Just when we've had a fill of face coverings, we'll be breathing out through limewater and farting in a jar.

[turbobloke]

UNEP: 18 years to save the planet (1982)
UNEP: 10 years to save the planet (1989)
Hansen: Obama has 4 years to save the planet (2009)
Prince Charles: 8 years to save the planet (2011).
Gordon Brown: 50 days to save the planet (2011)
Mary Robinson: 20 years to save the planet (2014)
What went wrong right?
John Kerry: 9 years to save the planet but it's already beyond catastrophe (2021)
AGW predictions : beyond parody.(2021)

[Randy Winkman]

robinessex said:

And what do they use to illustrate the climate emergency? California fires, which are all started by humans deliberately or accidently. Sod all to do with the climate.

More bks:-

Now consider the following scenarios: A hurricane blasts Florida. A California dam bursts because floods have piled water high up behind it. A sudden, record-setting cold snap cuts power to the entire state of Texas. These are also emergencies that require immediate action. Multiply these situations worldwide, and you have the biggest environmental emergency to beset the earth in millennia: climate change.

Wild fires having nothing to do with climate? Where do wild fires happen? Rain forests? The antarctic?

[turbobloke]

What happens when climate voodoo fails politicians who chant the spells, as it always does and always will...kick the can, EU style.

Prince Charles, a political entity for sure, abandoned the 8 year forecast 2 years before his deadline for the planet expired (he didn't believe strongly enough presumably) and set another, 35 years hence. He learns reasonably quickly - if you dislike egg on your chops then nonsense deadlines must be pushed way out so you will either be retired if you need to work or dead if you don't. Arctic summer sea ice disappearance forecasts have been moving that way for decades, all the existing ones, too many to list by now, having failed.

After Obama's 4 year deadline (from Hansen) expired, Hansen gave him another 4 years, coincidentally political again, and clearly evidence that it was complete bill hooks anyway.

Al Gore's 10 year climageddon prophecy in 2006 was updated in 2008, ten more years i.e. same old, and here we are past 2018 and not exactly frying in our own juices.

Each IPCC climate boondoggle in turn has seen the shrill hyperbole escalate, unfortunately their last chance saloon has the longevity of a creaking gate.

Politicians wilfully falling for this hogwash is understandable, it's political expediency; what makes others swallow it on a regular repeat basis is another matter. after all who could possivly be stupid and/or foolish enough to keep believing truly in deadlines of doom that expire faster than a politician's promises.

[robinessex]

Randy Winkman said:

robinessex said:

And what do they use to illustrate the climate emergency? California fires, which are all started by humans deliberately or accidently. Sod all to do with the climate.

More bks:-

Now consider the following scenarios: A hurricane blasts Florida. A California dam bursts because floods have piled water high up behind it. A sudden, record-setting cold snap cuts power to the entire state of Texas. These are also emergencies that require immediate action. Multiply these situations worldwide, and you have the biggest environmental emergency to beset the earth in millennia: climate change.

Wild fires having nothing to do with climate? Where do wild fires happen? Rain forests? The antarctic?

Work it out yourself, but I'm not expecting an answer.

[mko9]

robinessex said:

Randy Winkman said:

robinessex said:

And what do they use to illustrate the climate emergency? California fires, which are all started by humans deliberately or accidently. Sod all to do with the climate.

More bks:-

Now consider the following scenarios: A hurricane blasts Florida. A California dam bursts because floods have piled water high up behind it. A sudden, record-setting cold snap cuts power to the entire state of Texas. These are also emergencies that require immediate action. Multiply these situations worldwide, and you have the biggest environmental emergency to beset the earth in millennia: climate change.

Wild fires having nothing to do with climate? Where do wild fires happen? Rain forests? The antarctic?

Work it out yourself, but I'm not expecting an answer.

They happen in dry places, and are exacerbated by the actions of mankind. California is not dry because of man-made global warming, but it is dry due to climate change. It has been dry for centuries, with periods of extended drought, going back to the end of the last ice age.

[robinessex]

mko9 said:

robinessex said:

Randy Winkman said:

robinessex said:

And what do they use to illustrate the climate emergency? California fires, which are all started by humans deliberately or accidently. Sod all to do with the climate.

More bks:-

Now consider the following scenarios: A hurricane blasts Florida. A California dam bursts because floods have piled water high up behind it. A sudden, record-setting cold snap cuts power to the entire state of Texas. These are also emergencies that require immediate action. Multiply these situations worldwide, and you have the biggest environmental emergency to beset the earth in millennia: climate change.

Wild fires having nothing to do with climate? Where do wild fires happen? Rain forests? The antarctic?

Work it out yourself, but I'm not expecting an answer.

They happen in dry places, and are exacerbated by the actions of mankind. California is not dry because of man-made global warming, but it is dry due to climate change. It has been dry for centuries, with periods of extended drought, going back to the end of the last ice age.

Mumbo jumbo rubbish. Nothing you wrote is fact or provable, just the normal guessing. You've also contradicted yourself. Keep up the good work.

[mybrainhurts]

robinessex said:

mko9 said:

robinessex said:

Randy Winkman said:

robinessex said:

And what do they use to illustrate the climate emergency? California fires, which are all started by humans deliberately or accidently. Sod all to do with the climate.

More bks:-

Now consider the following scenarios: A hurricane blasts Florida. A California dam bursts because floods have piled water high up behind it. A sudden, record-setting cold snap cuts power to the entire state of Texas. These are also emergencies that require immediate action. Multiply these situations worldwide, and you have the biggest environmental emergency to beset the earth in millennia: climate change.

Wild fires having nothing to do with climate? Where do wild fires happen? Rain forests? The antarctic?

Work it out yourself, but I'm not expecting an answer.

They happen in dry places, and are exacerbated by the actions of mankind. California is not dry because of man-made global warming, but it is dry due to climate change. It has been dry for centuries, with periods of extended drought, going back to the end of the last ice age.

Mumbo jumbo rubbish. Nothing you wrote is fact or provable, just the normal guessing. You've also contradicted yourself. Keep up the good work.

https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2020/09/19/wildfires-not-related-to-global-warming/

https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2020/09/19/wil...

[CoolHands]

What word will be used once ‘emergency’ loses its potency?

[Diderot]

CoolHands said:

What word will be used once ‘emergency’ loses its potency?

They'll eventually light upon 'armageddon' as their shibboleth. And we will simply laugh as that will signal they have reached peak hyperbole and peak stupidity. The only route out of that position for the ecomentalists will be a climbdown.

[166 MM Barchetta]

turbobloke said:

UNEP: 18 years to save the planet (1982)
UNEP: 10 years to save the planet (1989)
Hansen: Obama has 4 years to save the planet (2009)
Prince Charles: 8 years to save the planet (2011).
Gordon Brown: 50 days to save the planet (2011)
Mary Robinson: 20 years to save the planet (2014)
What went wrong right?
John Kerry: 9 years to save the planet but it's already beyond catastrophe (2021)
AGW predictions : beyond parody.(2021)

I’m sure, although it was a while ago, that it was John Kerry that gave a very rabble rousing speech that the polar caps would be ice free in winter within 5 years , this was sometime towards the end of the naughties, maybe 2009?
Seem to remember that it very much along the “it’s a catastrophe” lines.
Can I claim compensation over the stress caused by his word of impending doom, or should I just file it in the “petrol will run out in xxxx” file?

......awaits the accusation of climate denier from the lazy hard of thinking regulars.....

[166 MM Barchetta]

Diderot said:

CoolHands said:

What word will be used once ‘emergency’ loses its potency?

They'll eventually light upon 'armageddon' as their shibboleth. And we will simply laugh as that will signal they have reached peak hyperbole and peak stupidity. The only route out of that position for the ecomentalists will be a climbdown.

I’m pretty sure that it’s like consulting, emergency is just the normal job, but if you change it to consultant/ Armageddon you can add a zero to the carbon dollar bill/ grant........

[Randy Winkman]

robinessex said:

mko9 said:

robinessex said:

Randy Winkman said:

robinessex said:

And what do they use to illustrate the climate emergency? California fires, which are all started by humans deliberately or accidently. Sod all to do with the climate.

More bks:-

Now consider the following scenarios: A hurricane blasts Florida. A California dam bursts because floods have piled water high up behind it. A sudden, record-setting cold snap cuts power to the entire state of Texas. These are also emergencies that require immediate action. Multiply these situations worldwide, and you have the biggest environmental emergency to beset the earth in millennia: climate change.

Wild fires having nothing to do with climate? Where do wild fires happen? Rain forests? The antarctic?

Work it out yourself, but I'm not expecting an answer.

They happen in dry places, and are exacerbated by the actions of mankind. California is not dry because of man-made global warming, but it is dry due to climate change. It has been dry for centuries, with periods of extended drought, going back to the end of the last ice age.

Mumbo jumbo rubbish. Nothing you wrote is fact or provable, just the normal guessing. You've also contradicted yourself. Keep up the good work.

Do you think that wild fires are as likely to start and spread in wet places as dry places?