Jo Swinson

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Derek Smith said:

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They won't win. They are in the position that the UKIP was when they promised lots and lots of goodies that they could not possibly fund. The libdems are after the balance of power, By not winning a majority, they will not be obliged to deliver.

They are after voters who find themselves ignored by the other two parties. Lucas mentioned 17m voters who voted leave. I believe there was 16m who voted to remain and 13m who didn't vote. There's a lot of slack.

I've said they won't win. I know they won't have to deliver on any promises, hence why I said a wasted vote. Lim Dem followers are being conned here.

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The Lib Dems are getting good coverage (as in widespread cross BBC Channels,
Chukka's speech was on 3 channels at once.

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Chucky Ummmm? wanted a second referendum, now he's with a party whose policy is to deny a second referendum.
He must be in turmoil!

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Lindun said:

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And if you live in a safe seat for one of the Parties? Don’t bother voting if you support a different party?

The Brexit Party won’t win either, so nobody should vote for them either?

As Billy Connolly once said, “Don’t vote for any of them, it just encourages the bds!”

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And if you live in a safe seat for one of the Parties? Don’t bother voting if you support a different party?

The Brexit Party won’t win either, so nobody should vote for them either?

Swinson is alienating some of her own supporters by making it into a one policy party.
She's filling her party with serial chancers too, who are too thick and too wrapped up in their own hubris to realise they'll be wearing the wrong colour rosette come next GE. That's how shallow it is.
No, the Brexit party won't win if BoJo keeps on down the path he's on. Farage came along to force the issue. He's done that and yes perhaps he still has some prodding to do and some tactical positioning to counter the lunatic remain nutters. Once it's over they'll be gone or at most some will be absorbed into Labour or the Tories.

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REALIST123 said:

As Billy Connolly once said, “Don’t vote for any of them, it just encourages the bds!”

Billy has the luxury of fking off somewhere else when the st hits the fan following his lack of engagement.

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Whereas the their parties are just awash with other policies, policies that are genuinely grabbing all the headlines and making Brexit a minor issue. Or maybe not.

Boris is alienating a chunk of his own party too.

As MC Bodge has pointed out already, it’s amazing how this party that doesn’t bother you rouses such ire. Have a look at the amount of insults / ad hominems in your post and you may just see why it’s quite funny reading posts from some of you.

I cringe at what is happening to the Liberal Democrat Party. It's not clear what they are any more. Even Caroline Lucas expresses distaste at their lack of respect for democracy.
A good democracy needs a wise opposition. These lot are not that! I'm not one for dwelling on the past but it's quite sad to think of what the Lib Dems had and lost, by the way of Paddy Ashdown and Charles Kennedy, and to see what they've become.

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Lindun said:

How many times can the same thing be said.

Explain how this would be undemocratic.

The LibDems stand on a manifesto with their number one stated point being they will revoke Article 50 if they are elected as a majority party. They are then elected as a majority party, form the next government and revoke Article 50. Is the GE result somehow undemocratic?

It’s ok, using this logic, if Lib Dems do win, all we need to do is rerun the election before Jo Swinson gets the keys to No 10. They lose because the people got it wrong first time and A50 stays intact.

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I thought it was clear what they are. You even said it in your last post.

All this talk of lack of democracy etc is so far wide of the mark as to be laughable. They stand on a clear main issue; If they win a majority then revoke Article 50. For them to win a majority then they must win a democratic GE. That’s democracy.

It’s also funny that you’re so upset as to what you think they are. Why do you care? I don’t support Labour, I couldn’t give a stuff what they are, I don’t hark back to Harold Wilson, John Smith, because I don’t care. I sort of cared when Blair was in charge though, as I could see they were eminently electable. I wonder how much of your concern is about the LibDems gathering support and votes. Deny it all you like, but the volume of posts on here from Brexiteers is quite telling.

I have absolutely zero belief that the Liberal Democrats will gain enough support to take power and revoke article 50. Is that simple enough for you?

They're making a promise that, as they stand, they know they will not have the chance to keep. They're making themselves into a one policy, extremist protest party after all the wailing about the rise of such entities.
The one policy party at the other end of the spectrum will be gone once this is over and so will this lot.
They didn't need to do this. They could have seen sense and realised there may have been room for them in some kind of coalition that want to offer a second referendum, a referendum that they would have honoured, whichever way it went.
They'll put their all into getting everything for themselves and instead they'll get nothing at all!

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MC Bodge said:

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An amazing frenzy of panic on hear after the Lib Dems state they would revoke A50 if they win a majority at the next GE

This is an utter long shot.

So why do so many feel so threatened by the Lib Dems?

Amusing, isn't it?

This sort of publicity is very valuable.

It would be valuable if they had an ounce of credibility!

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Lindun said:

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I thought it was clear what they are. You even said it in your last post.

All this talk of lack of democracy etc is so far wide of the mark as to be laughable. They stand on a clear main issue; If they win a majority then revoke Article 50. For them to win a majority then they must win a democratic GE. That’s democracy.

It’s also funny that you’re so upset as to what you think they are. Why do you care? I don’t support Labour, I couldn’t give a stuff what they are, I don’t hark back to Harold Wilson, John Smith, because I don’t care. I sort of cared when Blair was in charge though, as I could see they were eminently electable. I wonder how much of your concern is about the LibDems gathering support and votes. Deny it all you like, but the volume of posts on here from Brexiteers is quite telling.

What’s democracy, Loon? Are you sure you’d recognise democracy if you experienced it?

Most of our politicians have lost sight of it, I guess you have also.

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I’ve already said that they won’t win a majority too. However, I firmly believe they will do very well from this approach.

You won’t see me on The Brexit Party thread (I’m assuming there is one) because I don’t think they’ll do anything at the next election. I’m not getting worked up by them though, or seeing the need to dismiss them as if to convince myself.

The Brexit Party has never been anything other than a short-term one policy protest party that can scatter to the wind once this is done with.

The Liberal Democrats have been an integral part of our democracy for a long time, a decent counterbalance or opposition and even kingmakers in recent times.
I lament what they have become. Get that?
I did not want this. We need credible opposition, with the potential to gain power in normal times, not extremist joke parties run by lightweights. This is bad for our democracy, that's why I'm commenting.

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My point stands though. You’re dismissing the opposition as “extremist joke parties”, but how would you describe the Tories currently?

Yes we need credible opposition, but we also need a credible government and the Tories are not providing that and I lament that, especially as I’ve voted for them all my adult life.

The Tory party is now doing what the majority has instructed them to do.
You have to accept at some point that you lost and that they do not have to do what you want.
A Lib Dem member slated today's party policy. He said that the only way to reverse the decision made by the people in a referendum was if the people voted in a referendum to reverse the decision.

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https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/11735137297...

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Lindun said:

No government can bind a future government.

The LibDems have ruled out a second referendum and go straight to revoke Article 50, if they win the next election. They won’t win it. Their compromise for forming a coalition government would be a second referendum IMO.

Governments have promised lots of things over the years and failed to deliver them in many, many cases.

How many of these have been delivered?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39960311

This high profile promise isnt going away.

You have to be mental to compare it to your average manifesto pledge.

Its the biggest political event for generations.

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Chuka and his pals proving how liberal they are “Tony Blair should f**k off and die”

https://twitter.com/georgewparker/status/117372676...


I’ll say this for the Lib Dem’s, as quick as they rise they fall....

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tux said:

Chuka and his pals proving how liberal they are “Tony Blair should f**k off and die”

https://twitter.com/georgewparker/status/117372676...


I’ll say this for the Lib Dem’s, as quick as they rise they fall....

You lie! That was a student politics club for sure. Wasn't it???
Cringe x1000, especially at the Lib-Lab song.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yawn!
I wonder how much is now simply trolling.
There seems to be a gulf between reality and Budgie's statements.



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MC Bodge said:

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You wonder how much of the hysteria on here is really about revoking A50, after all the Lib Dem’s have less than 20 MPs and are no one can see them winning a majority.

Could it be that some men, from a certain era, feel threatened by a strong successful younger woman in Jo Swindon herself? Society has changed but some find it difficult to adapt, hence constant harking back to a bygone time, now long gone. Some on the Brexit threads like to imagine we are “at war” with the EU for example.

Not everybody, but I suspect that there is some truth in the above.

I’d agree with that.

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Lindun said:

Being an MP is nothing like being an employee.

However, maybe you can enlighten me. Boris voted against May’s government and that hurt the Tories, as it prevented her Withdrawal Agreement from succeeding, thus preventing Brexit happening to date. Why is he still in a job, let alone the Leader of said party?

Because the leader of the party at the time - Mrs May didn't instigate a vote for it or be expelled policy. Simple as that really.