The EU v UK vaccine tussle
Discussion
deckster said:
CraigyMc said:
CaptainSlow said:
CraigyMc said:
Forgive me, I just discovered that this thread exists.
Has anyone pointed out that the PDF redaction is incomplete?
Der Speigel are running a story on what's printed in the redaction, using the bookmarks present in the PDF. (I think speigel may have an earlier version of the PDF than the one currently on the europa website).
Why have the EU released an non-redacted version of the contract? Did AZ agree to that?Has anyone pointed out that the PDF redaction is incomplete?
Der Speigel are running a story on what's printed in the redaction, using the bookmarks present in the PDF. (I think speigel may have an earlier version of the PDF than the one currently on the europa website).
The FIA then fined McLaren $100 million for the privilege.
CraigyMc said:
Having onshore production is important. Possibly also important to note that the upcoming ones are sometimes EU companies producing in the UK (eg. Valneva of France producing in Scotland).
The Sanofi one is actually Sanofi/GSK. Wonder where that'll be made...
Nowhere, it doesn't work.The Sanofi one is actually Sanofi/GSK. Wonder where that'll be made...
jesusbuiltmycar said:
pquinn said:
Exactly...
guardian said:
The UK has been left off a list of more than 120 countries exempted from tighter export restrictions on vaccines produced in the EU, in the latest twist in the bloc’s row with AstraZeneca over a shortage of doses.
Stella Kyriakides, the EU’s health commissioner, said the bloc was not protecting itself “against any specific country” but that it needed to ensure contracted pharmaceutical companies lived up to their promises.
The new export mechanism obliges all vaccine producers to inform national authorities of any intended exports to countries outside a lengthy list of exemptions, with member states empowered to reject applications if they believe EU supplies would be impacted.
The UK joins Russia and Turkey as countries within the vicinity of the EU that have been left off the exemption list. Further afield, the US and Canada are also not included.
Those who cannot be targeted with export bans include neighbouring countries, such as Switzerland and Norway. Outside of Europe, countries exempted include Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Palestine, Syria, Tunisia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Israel, Moldova and Ukraine.
Stella Kyriakides, the EU’s health commissioner, said the bloc was not protecting itself “against any specific country” but that it needed to ensure contracted pharmaceutical companies lived up to their promises.
The new export mechanism obliges all vaccine producers to inform national authorities of any intended exports to countries outside a lengthy list of exemptions, with member states empowered to reject applications if they believe EU supplies would be impacted.
The UK joins Russia and Turkey as countries within the vicinity of the EU that have been left off the exemption list. Further afield, the US and Canada are also not included.
Those who cannot be targeted with export bans include neighbouring countries, such as Switzerland and Norway. Outside of Europe, countries exempted include Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Palestine, Syria, Tunisia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Israel, Moldova and Ukraine.
768 said:
jsf said:
CraigyMc said:
Having onshore production is important. Possibly also important to note that the upcoming ones are sometimes EU companies producing in the UK (eg. Valneva of France producing in Scotland).
The Sanofi one is actually Sanofi/GSK. Wonder where that'll be made...
Nowhere, it doesn't work.The Sanofi one is actually Sanofi/GSK. Wonder where that'll be made...
CraigyMc said:
jsf said:
If they cut off Israel after all they have agreed with Pfizer, they wouldn't sleep easily for the rest of their lives.
Israel's getting its vaccines from Moderna, who fly them out of Switzerland, which isn't in the EU.CraigyMc said:
jsf said:
CraigyMc said:
jsf said:
If they cut off Israel after all they have agreed with Pfizer, they wouldn't sleep easily for the rest of their lives.
Israel's getting its vaccines from Moderna, who fly them out of Switzerland, which isn't in the EU.
NRS said:
It's really not though. The politicians are speaking s
te and trying to pass the blame onto AZ and the UK (basically the SNP thing of "it's Westminister, not England" but then look at what has been said by officials like I posted a few posts back. There's so many snipes at the UK it's clearly not just blaming AZ).
In reality some people in the EU will be pissed off by it, but not do much apart from rant on some internet forums. Others will believe the message and blame the UK for stealing their vaccines. But when it comes down to it for the most part even people who think the EU are being dicks will ignore it provided they get more vaccines. I think the big problems will happen if they do block the vaccines into the UK and we respond in kind. I believe we'll have a far greater supply of vaccines, so they will lose out on treating people overall, and since they started it then it will be more difficult to blame the UK. Although of course they'll run a campaign to blame the UK. I've already seen people here in Norway say the UK is so far ahead due to paying far more for vaccines and stealing the EU ones etc (plus same for Israel and US).
The EU have taken a supply issue they helped create from a supply issue to a potential international incident in one week. They are both morally and politically bankrupt in the way they have behaved this week.te and trying to pass the blame onto AZ and the UK (basically the SNP thing of "it's Westminister, not England" but then look at what has been said by officials like I posted a few posts back. There's so many snipes at the UK it's clearly not just blaming AZ). In reality some people in the EU will be pissed off by it, but not do much apart from rant on some internet forums. Others will believe the message and blame the UK for stealing their vaccines. But when it comes down to it for the most part even people who think the EU are being dicks will ignore it provided they get more vaccines. I think the big problems will happen if they do block the vaccines into the UK and we respond in kind. I believe we'll have a far greater supply of vaccines, so they will lose out on treating people overall, and since they started it then it will be more difficult to blame the UK. Although of course they'll run a campaign to blame the UK. I've already seen people here in Norway say the UK is so far ahead due to paying far more for vaccines and stealing the EU ones etc (plus same for Israel and US).
Invoking Article 16 after all the s
t they gave the UK over the border in Ireland is spectacular fkwitery.chrispmartha said:
vikingaero said:
NRS said:
I would agree. Many of the posters on here are basically happy to use it as a anti-EU bashing stick
I think a distinction should be made. Most of us love European nations and the Europeans themselves. What we hate are the hugely excessive European Commission and their sleazy toad lying politicians. We have enough toads in our own Parliament.Whoozit said:
jsf said:
The EU have taken a supply issue they helped create from a supply issue to a potential international incident in one week. They are both morally and politically bankrupt in the way they have behaved this week.
Invoking Article 16 after all the st they gave the UK over the border in Ireland is spectacular fkwitery.
I found this LSE article useful to give context to article 16. Particularly the paragraphs starting "Article 16 is one of the last provisions of the Protocol. This is because, in many respects, it exists as a last resort...."Invoking Article 16 after all the s
t they gave the UK over the border in Ireland is spectacular fkwitery.and "In the first instance, if there are problems with the implementation of the Protocol they are to be raised in the Specialised Committee and decisions then taken by the Joint Committee. "
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2021/01/14/arti...
"Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove has spoken to European Commission Vice President Maros Sefcovic to express the UK's "concern over a lack of notification from the EU about its actions in relation to the NI protocol", said a Downing Street spokesman.
Mr Gove said the UK would be "carefully considering next steps".
An Irish government spokesman said Taoiseach (prime minister) Micheal Martin was currently in discussions with European Commission President Ursula Von Der Leyen to express Dublin's concerns."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-558...
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Yes I'll give you that one I guess.
It's just unfortunate that I think some of the people taking justified pot shots at the EU over this have perhaps lost sight that the people who suffer as a result of their sthousery over vaccine procurement aren't the EU it's ordinary citizens.
Maybe just a little too much glee.
Zero glee from me, the EU's handling of this is a total disaster for my business, customers, friends and family.It's just unfortunate that I think some of the people taking justified pot shots at the EU over this have perhaps lost sight that the people who suffer as a result of their s
thousery over vaccine procurement aren't the EU it's ordinary citizens.Maybe just a little too much glee.
It's a disgrace, I find it utterly bizarre to see posters defending them.
ghost83 said:
So why will happe. Now if they’re putting a block on exports even of the pfizer vaccine? Is there other Pfizer facilities? What happens to the people that have had their first dose of Pfizer if they can’t get any more
We are into untested areas of science with a lot of worried very old people and nurses who are providing the care and vaccines being one dose Pfizer inoculated patients, feeling the brunt of the extra stress that will bring.Nickgnome said:
catweasle said:
Nickgnome said:
768 said:
Yep. C'eest la vie.
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maffski said:
NRS said:
I've already seen people here in Norway say the UK is so far ahead due to paying far more for vaccines and stealing the EU ones etc (plus same for Israel and US).
They're kind of right (especially for Israel), it's not that we paid to 'steal' the supply, rather that we agreed to pay to get the deal signed quickly. Without the deal being signed the factories couldn't start and suppliers couldn't be contracted.chrispmartha said:
jsf said:
chrispmartha said:
Who is defending them on this? (The vaccine situation?)
Plenty, looking for clauses in contracts to transfer the pressure onto AZ.As efforts go it is quite an impressive demonstration of throwing all your toys out of the pram, most likely futile whereas a bit of understanding, flexibility and being nice would have achieved a lot more.
I think the EU are behaving so badly hoping that the UK Gov will put pressure on AZ to be flexible and help out a bit while the UK Gov hopes giving an inch doesn't extend to a mile.
I have no idea who is right regarding the contract but suspect AZ know exactly what their commitments are but it might be a case of win the battle, lose the war in this situation.
I think the EU are behaving so badly hoping that the UK Gov will put pressure on AZ to be flexible and help out a bit while the UK Gov hopes giving an inch doesn't extend to a mile.
I have no idea who is right regarding the contract but suspect AZ know exactly what their commitments are but it might be a case of win the battle, lose the war in this situation.
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