Cameron fires Aidan Burley for hiring Nazi uniform,

[thinfourth2]

Du1point8 said:

Cleaner than white doesn't mean not making arse of self dancing or having a few drinks.

It means keep out of the papers from doing anything stupid and make sure you have nothing that can come back to haunt you from your past.

But making an arse of your self dancing or having a few drinks is media gold

Can you imagine you had photographs of Cameron as a student puking in the street while clutching an inflatable sheep

They would be worth thousands to the press.

It would be a media storm


People who be calling for his resignation

its bonkers and pathetic

[shed driver]

thinfourth2 said:

He hadn't dressed up as a Nazi

He stood next to someone dressed up as a Nazi

True, he wasn't dressed as a Nazi, he was merely stood next to someone who was dressed as a Nazi. However, he was the one who thought it would be a good idea, maybe even funny, to hire the uniform. To my mind that shows either a staggering lack of judgement or a crass inability to consider the feelings of others. Either one of these should be worthy of censure. The fact he spent a week making a half hearted explanation to his boss has ensured that CMD has to act decisivley. Maybe if Burley had any decency he would have resigned.

SD

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Mr GrimNasty said:

Risible. How far do you stop going back in history before people stop taking offence - which war/dictator/atrocity would you draw a line at? Political correctness doesn't just infect the UK. If people take offence that is THEIR problem, not someone at a FANCY DRESS PARTY HAVING A LAUGH. That context IS the pertinent point. Political correctness/thought control is all about people taking offence to exercise power over other people, even when in honesty, no offence was intended or felt.

This.

[catso]

heebeegeetee said:

I think there are a couple of groups of people the company of whom I could not stand.

Are you Nigel Powers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ882QYzr-M

[MX7]

JensenA said:

MX7 said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

Ludicrous, sacking someone for it is oppression, not freedom!

The Tories were free to do whatever they liked. They sacked him.

You can wear a Nazi suit, but don't expect to think that some people won't think you're a cock for doing it.

If, sometime in the future, you ever attend a party where people are in fancy dress, and one of them happens to be wearing an SS Uniform. I hope you will realise just how much of a frigging cock you are.

I don't understand. Is that an ad hom, or am I missing the relevance?

It doesn't even make sense.

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thinfourth2 said:

No a huge error of judgement is invading a country and killing hundreds of thousands of people

A huge error of judgement os borrowing billions of pounds and destroying the jobs of thousands of folk

A huge error of judgement is announcing you are selling all the countries gold at a market low

This is a case of someone stood next to a bloke in a silly costume

This is a case of someone stood next to a bloke who happened to think that hiring a SS Nazi uniform and egging on his pal to wear it in a public place was OK. Also it was OK for his pal to use the Nazi salute and shout Nazi obscenities.
Our Government cannot crack down on yobbism in Towns and Cities and allow its own M.Ps to behave like this fellow has, even by association.

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crankedup said:

This is a case of someone stood next to a bloke who happened to think that hiring a SS Nazi uniform and egging on his pal to wear it in a public place was OK. Also it was OK for his pal to use the Nazi salute and shout Nazi obscenities.
Our Government cannot crack down on yobbism in Towns and Cities and allow its own M.Ps to behave like this fellow has, even by association.

Okay could you provide me with a list of non offensive costumes that can be worn at a fancy dress party


Pirate = Offensive to people with one eye, people with a parrot fetish, people with missing legs and people with speach defects

Caveman = Offensive to people from birmingham

Black and white minstral = Offensive to almost everyone

Zombie = Offensive to the undead (though this could also be birmingham)

Rab C nesbit = Offensive to scottish people

Clown = Offensive to manic depressives


Any suggestions of what an MP can dress up as without outraging the liberal press

Somehow i think this is the only option that wouldn't offend you

[Munter]

It's about time all Nazi uniforms were issued with a card pointing out that some people might be offended and you really should think about hiring something different. Like a French Knight, a Viking, or cow boy.

[thinfourth2]

Munter said:

It's about time all Nazi uniforms were issued with a card pointing out that some people might be offended and you really should think about hiring something different. Like a French Knight, a Viking, or cow boy.

french knight = Offensive to fench people and hamsters

Viking = Offensive to large parts of europe where they went raping and pillaging

Cow boy = Offensive to american indians

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thinfourth2 said:

french knight = Offensive to fench people and hamsters

Viking = Offensive to large parts of europe where they went raping and pillaging

Cow boy = Offensive to american indians

None of which are illegal in France, unlike wearing a replica SS uniform. I think that we are entitled to expect better from a member of HM Government.


'The stag party turned up at a crowded restaurant in a ski resort with one man dressed in an SS uniform. The group chanted "Hitler, Hitler, Hitler" and made toasts to the Third Reich.

Mr Burley, MP for Cannock Chase, has since apologised for the "inappropriate behaviour" that took place at the party in France and claims he "deeply regretted" what happened.

But is it illegal to dress as or impersonate a Nazi? It certainly is in France.

According to article R 645-1 of the French Penal Code, it is forbidden either to wear or to display in public any uniform, insignia or emblem reminding of those worn by organisations or persons responsible for crimes against humanity, except in the context of historic presentation.

In relation to the stag party, a French police spokesman said: "Anti-Semitic and pro-Nazi crimes are taken extremely seriously in France. Anyone suspected of breaking the law in this respect can and will be prosecuted."'

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thinfourth2 said:

Okay could you provide me with a list of non offensive costumes that can be worn at a fancy dress party


Pirate = Offensive to people with one eye, people with a parrot fetish, people with missing legs and people with speach defects

Caveman = Offensive to people from birmingham

Black and white minstral = Offensive to almost everyone

Zombie = Offensive to the undead (though this could also be birmingham)

Rab C nesbit = Offensive to scottish people

Clown = Offensive to manic depressives


Any suggestions of what an MP can dress up as without outraging the liberal press

Somehow i think this is the only option that wouldn't offend you

Divided opinion, some things just have to be accepted in life. Common sense alone dictates that in this case a serving M.P. has crossed the line and left his brains and morals at home, hopefully he may learn a lesson in life from his dismissal.

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thinfourth2 said:

Okay could you provide me with a list of non offensive costumes that can be worn at a fancy dress party

You seem like a libertarian, yet you also need a list provided for you to know what is acceptable?

I think you are missing the point. You are blurring 'offensive' and 'acceptable'. What happened wasn't offensive to me, but when you are trying to appeal to the widest possible audience, and you have people like BOR who are dim enough to think that there's any similarity between the Conservative and the NSDAP, it is important that you have no association with the Nazis, even if it's meant in jest.

Burley comes across as an insensitive, champagne swilling Hooray Henry, and I think that any party, especially in these times, would like to be distanced from people like that.

I'm sure that you understand the value of PR, and how a picture like this will be used to detrimental effect if Cameron ignored it.

[MX7]

French launch criminal investigation into Tory MP Aidan Burley over Nazi-themed stag night

Nothing to do with the EU veto I guess...

[cardigankid]

Loads of people have committed crimes against humanity, the Romans, the Huns, the Mongols, the Russians, the Turks, the Croats, the Serbs. Just for starters.

I wouldn't do it myself, but I would like someone to explain why wearing an SS uniform at a fancy dress party is wrong. I do not think that you can place PC boundaries on humour. What about dressing up as Hitler (like the guy from the 70's rock group)? It's funny, why not? The Nazis aren't on their way back, and if they were, laughing at them is a great deal more effective than making their uniforms illegal.

[paddyhasneeds]

cardigankid said:

I wouldn't do it myself, but I would like someone to explain why wearing an SS uniform at a fancy dress party is wrong. I do not think that you can place PC boundaries on humour. What about dressing up as Hitler (like the guy from the 70's rock group)? It's funny, why not? The Nazis aren't on their way back, and if they were, laughing at them is a great deal more effective than making their uniforms illegal.

I asked a little while back, but I don't think anyone answered - why not dress up as a Klansman?

It's not like they're on their way back and laughing at them is a great deal more.. well you get the idea, I think most of the parallels are similar but I suspect most of the people who say dressing up like a Nazi is OK wouldn't say the same about a Klansman?

[randlemarcus]

Does that mean you can be prosecuted for wearing French uniform from the Algerian occupation?

[ExChrispy Porker]

randlemarcus said:

Does that mean you can be prosecuted for wearing French uniform from the Algerian occupation?

Algerian occupation of where?

[randlemarcus]

ExChrispy Porker said:

Algerian occupation of where?

The French occupation of Algeria, with specific reference to the war of independence. You fule

[cardigankid]

paddyhasneeds said:

cardigankid said:

I wouldn't do it myself, but I would like someone to explain why wearing an SS uniform at a fancy dress party is wrong. I do not think that you can place PC boundaries on humour. What about dressing up as Hitler (like the guy from the 70's rock group)? It's funny, why not? The Nazis aren't on their way back, and if they were, laughing at them is a great deal more effective than making their uniforms illegal.

I asked a little while back, but I don't think anyone answered - why not dress up as a Klansman?

It's not like they're on their way back and laughing at them is a great deal more.. well you get the idea, I think most of the parallels are similar but I suspect most of the people who say dressing up like a Nazi is OK wouldn't say the same about a Klansman?

Klansmen are ludicrous dimwitted rednecks and it would be good for people to dress up as them as long as the great British public didn't mistake them for real Klansmen. THAT is the very real danger of a lack of a sense of humour.

[Du1point8]

paddyhasneeds said:

cardigankid said:

I wouldn't do it myself, but I would like someone to explain why wearing an SS uniform at a fancy dress party is wrong. I do not think that you can place PC boundaries on humour. What about dressing up as Hitler (like the guy from the 70's rock group)? It's funny, why not? The Nazis aren't on their way back, and if they were, laughing at them is a great deal more effective than making their uniforms illegal.

I asked a little while back, but I don't think anyone answered - why not dress up as a Klansman?

It's not like they're on their way back and laughing at them is a great deal more.. well you get the idea, I think most of the parallels are similar but I suspect most of the people who say dressing up like a Nazi is OK wouldn't say the same about a Klansman?

Are you asking why its wrong or why its wrong to do that in a country that has made dressing up as an SS uniformed officer illegal and can't see why its wrong to do it in their country?