Treasury Minister thinks paying with cash is wrong
Discussion
Sexual Chocolate said:
Gardener: So thats 75.00 Mr Chocolate.
Me: Call it 50 for cash?
Gardener: Hmmm....I can do it for 60.
ME: Great. See you next week.
Immoral or just plain bartering?
Depends if he pays the tax on the ^0 then it is fine. If he doesn't then it is illegal.Me: Call it 50 for cash?
Gardener: Hmmm....I can do it for 60.
ME: Great. See you next week.
Immoral or just plain bartering?
This hasn't been a new thing.
I've had tradesmen and garages regularly offer me a healthy discount off the final bill if I paid cash.
As the customer, why would I possibly want to pay more for something?
My view is that the moral and legal obligation is 100% on the business rather than the customer. It isn't my job to Police the tax affairs of the self employed.
As the customer, why would I possibly want to pay more for something?
My view is that the moral and legal obligation is 100% on the business rather than the customer. It isn't my job to Police the tax affairs of the self employed.
NinjaPower said:
I've had tradesmen and garages regularly offer me a healthy discount off the final bill if I paid cash.
As the customer, why would I possibly want to pay more for something?
My view is that the moral and legal obligation is 100% on the business rather than the customer. It isn't my job to Police the tax affairs of the self employed.
It is completely right, it is nothing to do with the person paying the bill.As the customer, why would I possibly want to pay more for something?
My view is that the moral and legal obligation is 100% on the business rather than the customer. It isn't my job to Police the tax affairs of the self employed.
When I buy a newspaper I am not going to wonder if the newsagents have paid their tax bill this year.
Sexual Chocolate said:
Gardener: So thats 75.00 Mr Chocolate.
Me: Call it 50 for cash?
Gardener: Hmmm....I can do it for 60.
ME: Great. See you next week.
Immoral or just plain bartering?
How many times does it need to be said?Me: Call it 50 for cash?
Gardener: Hmmm....I can do it for 60.
ME: Great. See you next week.
Immoral or just plain bartering?
There is nothing illegal or immoral in paying someone cash.
Cash is legal tender. That is why it exists.
Note the words I used i.e."LEGAL tender".
The illegality occurs when relevant tax is EVADED.
Eric Mc said:
Sexual Chocolate said:
Gardener: So thats 75.00 Mr Chocolate.
Me: Call it 50 for cash?
Gardener: Hmmm....I can do it for 60.
ME: Great. See you next week.
Immoral or just plain bartering?
How many times does it need to be said?Me: Call it 50 for cash?
Gardener: Hmmm....I can do it for 60.
ME: Great. See you next week.
Immoral or just plain bartering?
There is nothing illegal or immoral in paying someone cash.
Cash is legal tender. That is why it exists.
Note the words I used i.e."LEGAL tender".
The illegality occurs when relevant tax is EVADED.
These issues of morality are essentially the result of our superb common law legal system. In this country the law gives men the freedom to act on conscience, the responsibilty to decide to do what is moral and accept the risk of being judged after by a system of common law and precident. In a fully codified system you are ridgidly bound to things you can't do, in the common law system you are given the bare outline of things you can do.
It's absurd for a Tory minister to be arguing the state machine should be better placed to spend and manage peoples personal finances than the individual.
What we are witnessing and have been witnessing for the last 20 years is a movement by a political class to attempt to seize control of our country from the institutional arrangments that have grown up in the 200 years previous.
It's the death of liberalism. The reds appear to be winning, we must fight back and act on our moral judgments.
It's absurd for a Tory minister to be arguing the state machine should be better placed to spend and manage peoples personal finances than the individual.
What we are witnessing and have been witnessing for the last 20 years is a movement by a political class to attempt to seize control of our country from the institutional arrangments that have grown up in the 200 years previous.
It's the death of liberalism. The reds appear to be winning, we must fight back and act on our moral judgments.
Eric Mc said:
How many times does it need to be said?
There is nothing illegal or immoral in paying someone cash.
Cash is legal tender. That is why it exists.
Note the words I used i.e."LEGAL tender".
The illegality occurs when relevant tax is EVADED.
Correct, but what I think is being implied and suggested by government ministers and the like, is that the average consumer is almost encouraging or enabling tax evasion simply by paying cash, which I think is a wholly wrong accusation.There is nothing illegal or immoral in paying someone cash.
Cash is legal tender. That is why it exists.
Note the words I used i.e."LEGAL tender".
The illegality occurs when relevant tax is EVADED.
NinjaPower said:
Eric Mc said:
How many times does it need to be said?
There is nothing illegal or immoral in paying someone cash.
Cash is legal tender. That is why it exists.
Note the words I used i.e."LEGAL tender".
The illegality occurs when relevant tax is EVADED.
Correct, but what I think is being implied and suggested by government ministers and the like, is that the average consumer is almost encouraging or enabling tax evasion simply by paying cash, which I think is a wholly wrong accusation.There is nothing illegal or immoral in paying someone cash.
Cash is legal tender. That is why it exists.
Note the words I used i.e."LEGAL tender".
The illegality occurs when relevant tax is EVADED.
Who on earth would ever want to go into politics?
What a Cock. Its all smoke and mirrors.
The tax system is broken so lets blame the hardworking tradesmen.
What about the celebs who are legally evading millions in tax (with a 45% tax bracket why wouldnt you), the broken working tax credit system that has people stuck working 16hours a week as working anymore would actually make them worse off, some of who are also getting additional hours cash in hand.
And then we have the politicians, taking home a wage, but claiming all living expenses as 'expenses'...
The whole system is corrupt, make it fair and foolproof and then perhaps the government will have less tax avoidance.
The tax system is broken so lets blame the hardworking tradesmen.
What about the celebs who are legally evading millions in tax (with a 45% tax bracket why wouldnt you), the broken working tax credit system that has people stuck working 16hours a week as working anymore would actually make them worse off, some of who are also getting additional hours cash in hand.
And then we have the politicians, taking home a wage, but claiming all living expenses as 'expenses'...
The whole system is corrupt, make it fair and foolproof and then perhaps the government will have less tax avoidance.
Odie said:
What a Cock. Its all smoke and mirrors.
The tax system is broken so let blame the hardworking tradesmen.
What about the celebs who are legally evading millions in tax (with a 45% tax bracket why wouldnt you), the broken working tax credit system that has people stuck working 16hours a week as working anymore would actually make them worse off, some of who are also getting additional hours cash in hand.
And then we have the politicians, taking home a wage, but claiming all living expenses as 'expenses'...
The whole system is corrupt, make it fair and foolproof and then perhaps the government will have less tax avoidance.
The tax system is broken so let blame the hardworking tradesmen.
What about the celebs who are legally evading millions in tax (with a 45% tax bracket why wouldnt you), the broken working tax credit system that has people stuck working 16hours a week as working anymore would actually make them worse off, some of who are also getting additional hours cash in hand.
And then we have the politicians, taking home a wage, but claiming all living expenses as 'expenses'...
The whole system is corrupt, make it fair and foolproof and then perhaps the government will have less tax avoidance.
mattnunn said:
These issues of morality are essentially the result of our superb common law legal system. In this country the law gives men the freedom to act on conscience, the responsibilty to decide to do what is moral and accept the risk of being judged after by a system of common law and precident. In a fully codified system you are ridgidly bound to things you can't do, in the common law system you are given the bare outline of things you can do.
It's absurd for a Tory minister to be arguing the state machine should be better placed to spend and manage peoples personal finances than the individual.
What we are witnessing and have been witnessing for the last 20 years is a movement by a political class to attempt to seize control of our country from the institutional arrangments that have grown up in the 200 years previous.
It's the death of liberalism. The reds appear to be winning, we must fight back and act on our moral judgments.
Good post. The point made in your second paragraph in particular resonates.It's absurd for a Tory minister to be arguing the state machine should be better placed to spend and manage peoples personal finances than the individual.
What we are witnessing and have been witnessing for the last 20 years is a movement by a political class to attempt to seize control of our country from the institutional arrangments that have grown up in the 200 years previous.
It's the death of liberalism. The reds appear to be winning, we must fight back and act on our moral judgments.
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