Tories the future (part1)
Discussion
True but we are where we are. Now how to move forward. The public perception is that if we increase the pay the expenses system will still stay.
An expenses and allowances system t get that within the rules allows one to claim thousands of pounds simply in relation to the costs of getting the kids to school.
The public see this, and the MP who said he couldn't manage on a ministerial salary whilst living in a listed building cwhich had been bought on the back of capital gains on property financed by the taxpayer and that's going to be a difficult one to sell.
Then they see revelations about non MPs, for example Treasury officials in benefit of a non contributory final salary pension that is costing the taxpayers 50% of the salary, look at their own arrangements and wonder.
People feel that resolving this will just increase the degree to which people are out of touch.
Maybe it's right to sort it properly once and for all, but the mood at the moment isn't going to support it.
An expenses and allowances system t get that within the rules allows one to claim thousands of pounds simply in relation to the costs of getting the kids to school.
The public see this, and the MP who said he couldn't manage on a ministerial salary whilst living in a listed building cwhich had been bought on the back of capital gains on property financed by the taxpayer and that's going to be a difficult one to sell.
Then they see revelations about non MPs, for example Treasury officials in benefit of a non contributory final salary pension that is costing the taxpayers 50% of the salary, look at their own arrangements and wonder.
People feel that resolving this will just increase the degree to which people are out of touch.
Maybe it's right to sort it properly once and for all, but the mood at the moment isn't going to support it.
FiF said:
True but we are where we are. Now how to move forward. The public perception is that if we increase the pay the expenses system will still stay.
An expenses and allowances system t get that within the rules allows one to claim thousands of pounds simply in relation to the costs of getting the kids to school.
The public see this, and the MP who said he couldn't manage on a ministerial salary whilst living in a listed building cwhich had been bought on the back of capital gains on property financed by the taxpayer and that's going to be a difficult one to sell.
Then they see revelations about non MPs, for example Treasury officials in benefit of a non contributory final salary pension that is costing the taxpayers 50% of the salary, look at their own arrangements and wonder.
People feel that resolving this will just increase the degree to which people are out of touch.
Maybe it's right to sort it properly once and for all, but the mood at the moment isn't going to support it.
I think that your last point is bang on the money and, of course, any change would need a tightening up of rules on post ministerial employment and an introduction of a 'conventional' expenses systemAn expenses and allowances system t get that within the rules allows one to claim thousands of pounds simply in relation to the costs of getting the kids to school.
The public see this, and the MP who said he couldn't manage on a ministerial salary whilst living in a listed building cwhich had been bought on the back of capital gains on property financed by the taxpayer and that's going to be a difficult one to sell.
Then they see revelations about non MPs, for example Treasury officials in benefit of a non contributory final salary pension that is costing the taxpayers 50% of the salary, look at their own arrangements and wonder.
People feel that resolving this will just increase the degree to which people are out of touch.
Maybe it's right to sort it properly once and for all, but the mood at the moment isn't going to support it.
ClaphamGT3 said:
I think that your last point is bang on the money and, of course, any change would need a tightening up of rules on post ministerial employment and an introduction of a 'conventional' expenses system
That's basically my view too. A conventional expenses system would be easy to sort. The post ministerial employment somewhat more difficult. It would be possible to make it so tight that life back out on the streets became quite difficult and society in general lost the resource of capable peoplet with a certain knowledge and insight. That's a tricky one to balance. cameron must be doing something right:
France has risked a major diplomatic row with the UK after a senior government figure likened David Cameron to far-Right leader Marine Le Pen, saying his handling of a row over whether Britain should pay a £1.7 billion bill was “nationalistic” and “Byzantine”.
The French figure, who is close to President Francois Hollande, said that the Prime Minister had displayed “no European solidarity” when he hit out against the budget bill demanded by the EU because of the success of Britain’s economy.
France has risked a major diplomatic row with the UK after a senior government figure likened David Cameron to far-Right leader Marine Le Pen, saying his handling of a row over whether Britain should pay a £1.7 billion bill was “nationalistic” and “Byzantine”.
The French figure, who is close to President Francois Hollande, said that the Prime Minister had displayed “no European solidarity” when he hit out against the budget bill demanded by the EU because of the success of Britain’s economy.
turbobloke said:
“no European solidarity”
True, the EU is crumbly.
and the prick wrongly said 'Byzantine' which the French (together with the Belgies and Luxemburgers) are very familiar withTrue, the EU is crumbly.
Of, relating to, or characterized by intrigue; scheming or devious: "a fine hand for Byzantine deals and cozy arrangements"
b. Highly complicated; intricate and involved:
'#CameronMustGo' - No1 Trend on Twitter uk with 180k+ tweets so far.
https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=%23Cam...
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/24/ca...
https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=%23Cam...
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/24/ca...
Esseesse said:
toppstuff said:
I have never really understood all the vitriol and spittle hurled at CMD. Did he sleep with your mum or something?
Blair clone, not a conservative etc etcWhat's not Consewrvative about that?
I wonder if Cameron really wants to win a majority next year. If he wins outright he has no excuse not to implement his manifesto promises which won't be the case in a coalition. Also for Cameron the Lib Dems are probably easier to deal with than his own backbenchers are.
Edited by BlackLabel on Monday 24th November 13:56
BlackLabel said:
I wonder if Cameron really wants to win a majority next year. If he wins outright he has no excuse not to implement his manifesto promises which won't be the case in a coalition. Also for Cameron the Lib Dems are probably easier to deal with than his own backbenchers are.
I can't see it now but a few months back Peter Hitchens gave his opinion that Cameron probably would rather not winning outright in 2015 because to do so would mean being held to his manifesto.Edited by BlackLabel on Monday 24th November 13:56
Esseesse said:
BlackLabel said:
I wonder if Cameron really wants to win a majority next year. If he wins outright he has no excuse not to implement his manifesto promises which won't be the case in a coalition. Also for Cameron the Lib Dems are probably easier to deal with than his own backbenchers are.
I can't see it now but a few months back Peter Hitchens gave his opinion that Cameron probably would rather not winning outright in 2015 because to do so would mean being held to his manifesto.Edited by BlackLabel on Monday 24th November 13:56
toppstuff said:
dandarez said:
Tories the future?
With CMD that's simple.
There isn't one!
I have never really understood all the vitriol and spittle hurled at CMD. Did he sleep with your mum or something?With CMD that's simple.
There isn't one!
Why would he sleep with my mum? She died of cancer in 1981 aged 56.
Did he sleep with 'something' is even more retarded.
Regardless, what I said is correct.
With him at the helm the Tories have no future.
Wait and see.
dandarez said:
toppstuff said:
dandarez said:
Tories the future?
With CMD that's simple.
There isn't one!
I have never really understood all the vitriol and spittle hurled at CMD. Did he sleep with your mum or something?With CMD that's simple.
There isn't one!
Why would he sleep with my mum? She died of cancer in 1981 aged 56.
Did he sleep with 'something' is even more retarded.
Regardless, what I said is correct.
With him at the helm the Tories have no future.
Wait and see.
Why is CMD so bad for the Tories?
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff