20mph speed limits to be imposed to protect cyclists

[IroningMan]

Emergency Services? I think you're reaching somewhat there.

Tractors, caravans, HGVs, all manner of road users have the potential to obstruct others, but none quite so much as private car users, by virtue of sheer weight of numbers.

[Murph7355]

IroningMan said:

Emergency Services? I think you're reaching somewhat there.

Tractors, caravans, HGVs, all manner of road users have the potential to obstruct others, but none quite so much as private car users, by virtue of sheer weight of numbers.

You can come up to my place for a bacon sandwich one Sunday if you like and do a quick assessment of which class of road users are more weighty between 0800 and 1000 on any given Sunday.

You're right though, I was stretching it. Though the point still stands. It's no good trying to constrain just one section of the road using fraternity without also acknowledging the mode of use by all others,and ensuring they act responsibly too.

[anonymous-user]

They do, and as I ride mostly solo, its a pain in the arse when I see them riding three abreast and not giving a st about anyone else because all the drivers who are inconvenienced are angry and then treat all the other cyclists with the same level of contempt as the three abreast club...

there is a little irony to it all though, cyclists riding without due respect for other road users anger drivers wanting to use quiet country roads for a hoon

[Jappo]

Jappo said:

saaby93 said:

Jappo said:

I repeat, if we follow the argument that 60mph is safer than 70, and 50mph is safer than 60, and 20mph is safer then 30, then things can only head in one direction.

Where did that argument come from?

Twisted logic

As in "slower must always be better"

[xjsdriver]

Jappo said:

As in "slower must always be better"

Only when being fellated .....of course, this is just my opinion - other opinions are available.....

[richie99]

Jappo said:

Jappo said:

saaby93 said:

Jappo said:

I repeat, if we follow the argument that 60mph is safer than 70, and 50mph is safer than 60, and 20mph is safer then 30, then things can only head in one direction.

Where did that argument come from?

Twisted logic

As in "slower must always be better"

"Speed kills!" Every fule kno that.

[LongQ]

Eon Musk agrees with me. In the world of autonomous vehicles driving will likely be banned.

http://www.itproportal.com/2015/03/23/tesla-ceo-el...

Presumably cycling on Autonomous Vehicle paving will also be prohibited with cyclists having their own paths and tracks.

That could all be most interesting.

[CoolHands]

So out of 61 countries only two - Sweden and Netherlands - have less road deaths than the UK (on average over the last 3 years). We have 29. The average for all countries is 61.

I wonder what impact 20mph limits on the tfl roads will have on that.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-4656_en...

[Blib]

Richmond Park has a blanket 20mph limit. The road around the edge of the park is used by hundreds of cyclists and motorists. Especially during the weekend. All doing about 20.

It's great, the drivers get to become an integral part of the cyclists' peleton. I get to draught them as they hare along and everything.

[Hoofy]

I don't mind doing it through Bushy Park as I'd rather not scare a deer or 5.

[Timmy40]

richie99 said:

Jappo said:

Jappo said:

saaby93 said:

Jappo said:

I repeat, if we follow the argument that 60mph is safer than 70, and 50mph is safer than 60, and 20mph is safer then 30, then things can only head in one direction.

Where did that argument come from?

Twisted logic

As in "slower must always be better"

"Speed kills!" Every fule kno that.

Yep. And you get those wonderful drivers who believe that because they are driving slowly they can dispense with signalling, using their rear mirrors, stopping at traffic lights etc.

[plasticpig]

pablo said:

They do, and as I ride mostly solo, its a pain in the arse when I see them riding three abreast and not giving a st about anyone else because all the drivers who are inconvenienced are angry and then treat all the other cyclists with the same level of contempt as the three abreast club...

there is a little irony to it all though, cyclists riding without due respect for other road users anger drivers wanting to use quiet country roads for a hoon

Strangely I find cyclists get very irate when motorists hold them up. I do a bit of green green laning and have had all sorts of abuse from mountain bikers because they can't get past and were holding them up.

[IroningMan]

plasticpig said:

Strangely I find cyclists get very irate when motorists hold them up. I do a bit of green green laning and have had all sorts of abuse from mountain bikers because they can't get past and were holding them up.

That's a whole new kettle of worms. Both you and the mountain bikers no doubt get abuse from any ramblers you find...

[Kermit power]

Hoofy said:

I don't mind doing it through Bushy Park as I'd rather not scare a deer or 5.

I was in Bushy Park a month or so ago for a mini rugby tournament. As we left the carpark and made our way back to the main road through the park near the fountain, there was queuing traffic going in both directions.

I had to wait to pull out and turn right, as there was a chap waiting to turn right off the main road into the road I was on. A Transit van going the other way stopped and flashed for him to come across, which he did. A cyclist then promptly rode into his bonnet.

Now, I'm all for motorists looking where they're going and respecting cyclists, but some people really are determined not to help themselves, aren't they!! Just because you can cycle up the left of stationary traffic at 15+ mph, it doesn't mean it's a good idea!!! The guy pulling across had very little chance of seeing the bike through the van, but if it got to an insurance claim, I suspect he would've still been considered at fault.

[Hoofy]

Kermit power said:

Hoofy said:

I don't mind doing it through Bushy Park as I'd rather not scare a deer or 5.

I was in Bushy Park a month or so ago for a mini rugby tournament. As we left the carpark and made our way back to the main road through the park near the fountain, there was queuing traffic going in both directions.

I had to wait to pull out and turn right, as there was a chap waiting to turn right off the main road into the road I was on. A Transit van going the other way stopped and flashed for him to come across, which he did. A cyclist then promptly rode into his bonnet.

Now, I'm all for motorists looking where they're going and respecting cyclists, but some people really are determined not to help themselves, aren't they!! Just because you can cycle up the left of stationary traffic at 15+ mph, it doesn't mean it's a good idea!!! The guy pulling across had very little chance of seeing the bike through the van, but if it got to an insurance claim, I suspect he would've still been considered at fault.

Ouch!

[bigdog3]

Have you tried driving at an indicated 20 through major routes with the new 20mph limit ?

Double deck buses getting very irate just inches from your rear bumper, pizza delivery mopeds with L-plates overtaking late and almost crashing into bollards, Subaru drivers gesticulating angrily before overtaking the wrong side of keep left signs, cyclists overtaking on the right as well the usual left...

Absolute lethal mayhem. It's great fun Can hardly wait for my next visit

[Welshbeef]

Isn't the biggest danger of this idea that the cyclist can and does often travel much faster than that and they undertake not overtake so let's say your turning left indicating and pulling in cyclist keeps going at 30mph plus misses you indicating then T bones the car does a superman over the can into the middle of the junction.

This undertaking nonsense has to stop its lethal.



As other person says buses and trucks hate it when you travel at set speeds IE M25 slip road from M4 to M25 is always 40mph so you do it they are so close to you and flashing I'm mindful of getting one of those LED signs to put in the rear window this road is xmph if you wish to go faster and break the law please overtake.

[mybrainhurts]

bigdog3 said:

Have you tried driving at an indicated 20 through major routes with the new 20mph limit ?

Double deck buses getting very irate just inches from your rear bumper, pizza delivery mopeds with L-plates overtaking late and almost crashing into bollards, Subaru drivers gesticulating angrily before overtaking the wrong side of keep left signs, cyclists overtaking on the right as well the usual left...

Absolute lethal mayhem. It's great fun Can hardly wait for my next visit

Aye, I had the misfortune to drive into central London recently. I was going with the flow until I realised speed cameras were present, then I was holding people up and had to put up with them farting in my general direction.

On the way home, the same 20 areas were devoid of traffic, pedestrians, cyclists, badgers, but I was still required to trundle along at 20.

In my experience, drivers will be doing 20 where it's necessary, even if the limit is not set at 20.

I'm really disappointed with Boris, he used to be a breath of fresh air.

[anonymous-user]

mybrainhurts said:

Aye, I had the misfortune to drive into central London recently. I was going with the flow until I realised speed cameras were present, then I was holding people up and had to put up with them farting in my general direction.

There aren't any speed cameras type-approved for 20mph - are you sure it was a 20 zone? Were the signal cameras or Trafficmaster or something?

[LongQ]

mybrainhurts said:

I'm really disappointed with Boris, he used to be a breath of fresh air.

That's what his people wanted you to think.

As did Bliar's 20 years ago.

How does the saying go ..... "You can fool ......."