IS - We'll buy nuclear weapon within 12 months.

[Timmy40]

Soov535 said:

ISIS may be savages, but they are not stupid. They know that the nanosecond they detonate a nuclear device they will be on the receiving end of a nuclear attack from the West so devastating that nothing will live there except cockroaches for 10,000 years.

ISIS is a death cult. They fully expect the imminent end of the world. They may or may not be stupid but they are extremists who believe an insane doctrine. Provided they get their show down with the 'army of Rome' and all die martyrs they'll be quite happy.

[Hugo a Gogo]

drivetrain said:

This scenario may not be as far-fetched as it seems at first glance.

Perhaps not a full-blown nuke but certainly a 'dirty bomb' with a large amount of conventional explosive combined with radioactive material is a distinct possibility IMO, these nutters would love to set off a device like that in London or New York.

How many shipping containers are delivered to large ports daily? Even a suicide mission with a dirty suitcase bomb is another possible method.

Food for thought.

this 'dirty bomb' business is bks, it's just a psychological weapon

what sort of radioactive material is light and powdery enough to disperse over any kind of area whilst not being melted/burned/destroyed in the explosion, and how much can they get of it, and can they build the bomb and deliver it without dying first?

[Gecko1978]

Hugo a Gogo said:

this 'dirty bomb' business is bks, it's just a psychological weapon

what sort of radioactive material is light and powdery enough to disperse over any kind of area whilst not being melted/burned/destroyed in the explosion, and how much can they get of it, and can they build the bomb and deliver it without dying first?

Not sure of the exact science etc so you may be right or wrong but. Picture this I have a car or a van full of old xray machine stuff. I blow it up radiation spread over a large area. Now the radition maybe so low as to make no difference but the word radiation would terrify people and would you go back to work if they said it glows a bit but not a lot at night...

An then what would we ask our goverment to do as a responce, mushroom cloudes maybe or just a huge bombing campagne. Do we have MOAB type stuff, I am pretty sure they would lead to huge loss of life and flattend cities without need to go nuclear etc.

ISIS want to rule they do not want to be wiped off the face of the earth.

[Timmy40]

Gecko1978 said:

ISIS want to rule they do not want to be wiped off the face of the earth.

They actually do want to be wiped off the face of the earth, along with everybody else. The West just don't seem to be able to accept/grasp this as a concept.

[J4CKO]

I suspect they would probably just end up cooking themselves if they got anything properly radioactive, imagine this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ0P7R9CfCY

With more AK47s going off and Allu Akhbars going on, cant see them being able to recruit able physicists from the west and they have probably killed all their own as they do like a bit of killing for any reason that comes tom mind.

I would imagine they would be keener on chemical type weapons, conventional bombs and good old Airliners, obviously when they can get their hands on them.

However, they hate us, but they have enough on their plates killing everyone on their home turf, to be fair they arent really going to be allowed easy entrance to western countries, especially not with all their kit, our main threat is still home grown radicals and the influence of IS, not IS itself, at least not yet.

I am glad we are on an island, they have mainland Europe to go at before us !

[benjj]

Hugo a Gogo said:

this 'dirty bomb' business is bks, it's just a psychological weapon

what sort of radioactive material is light and powdery enough to disperse over any kind of area whilst not being melted/burned/destroyed in the explosion, and how much can they get of it, and can they build the bomb and deliver it without dying first?

Wow, you've just solved all of the problems of dealing with nuclear waste. Just burn/melt/explode it and it disappears. Great work!

[Gecko1978]

Timmy40 said:

Gecko1978 said:

ISIS want to rule they do not want to be wiped off the face of the earth.

They actually do want to be wiped off the face of the earth, along with everybody else. The West just don't seem to be able to accept/grasp this as a concept.

Genuine question buy why do you think that. In parts of Syria they control they have enforced laws and prayer practice on the population. They have allowed fighters to take wives and slaves etc it's not quite the wipe out everything idea you profess. Seems like medieval Britain burn a few herratics and rest of the mob will fall in line an renounce Rome etc

[Hugo a Gogo]

benjj said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

this 'dirty bomb' business is bks, it's just a psychological weapon

what sort of radioactive material is light and powdery enough to disperse over any kind of area whilst not being melted/burned/destroyed in the explosion, and how much can they get of it, and can they build the bomb and deliver it without dying first?

Wow, you've just solved all of the problems of dealing with nuclear waste. Just burn/melt/explode it and it disappears. Great work!

don't be dim

nuclear waste which is big heavy metal rods, fuel rods is not the kind of fine powder that can be dispersed

[AreOut]

s2art said:

The articles I have read conclude that there is low (but not zero) chance of terrorists obtaining a nuclear device. Surely a bigger threat is the possibility of them obtaining nerve gas or similar from Syrian stocks. Imagine that being released into the Tube at rush hour.

they don't have to obtain it from syrian stocks, if they hire someone who knows a thing or two about chemistry they can make it within Britain

[Timmy40]

Gecko1978 said:

Timmy40 said:

Gecko1978 said:

ISIS want to rule they do not want to be wiped off the face of the earth.

They actually do want to be wiped off the face of the earth, along with everybody else. The West just don't seem to be able to accept/grasp this as a concept.

Genuine question buy why do you think that. In parts of Syria they control they have enforced laws and prayer practice on the population. They have allowed fighters to take wives and slaves etc it's not quite the wipe out everything idea you profess. Seems like medieval Britain burn a few herratics and rest of the mob will fall in line an renounce Rome etc

I won't spend all day typing a huge essay on here, but here's a link to an article that sums up fairly succinctly where ISIS came from, and what they believe.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/0...

[superkartracer]

How do you burn/melt/explode Radiation?????

[Hugo a Gogo]

you don't

the idea of a dirty bomb is spreading radioactive material, not just radiation (because that is just waves of energy, like light, or microwaves, or radio transmissions)

of course you can't burn light, or a radio transmission

[benjj]

Hugo a Gogo said:

don't be dim

nuclear waste which is big heavy metal rods, fuel rods is not the kind of fine powder that can be dispersed

You've got a lot, an awful lot to learn about this subject.

Suffice to say that the powers that be in every western country devotes billions of pounds and millions of man hours per year in assuring the non proliferation of these kinds of things.

It poses one of the most disruptive, dangerous and most likely large scale attacks that our country faces. During the latest campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq a huge proportion of our time and effort was spent seeking out caches of radioactive material - these were being utilised by various groups for two reasons. A) to be weaponised and used on the ground in theatre and B) to be sold to sympathetic causes overseas to be used against allied forces on their home turf. Cobalt in particular was one of the main worries. it still is.

Calling people dim after suggesting what you did just makes you look like an argumentative know-nothing imbecile.

[PBDirector]

benjj said:

Re a dirty bomb, this is probably the most likely and terrifying thing that a country like us faces.

Forget about mushroom clouds and atomised tourists in Trafalgar Sq, they're just not about that.

All you need is some properly radioactive material and something to detonate and spread it over a wide area. If this was done in central London or any other relatively compact capital the results would be economically devastating.

Firstly every worker would have to leave. The risk of contracting some form of cancer would increase several fold. Even if the risk triples there isn't a company on earth who would ask or expect their staff to stay put.

Then there would be the clean up. That would cost billions and take a long time.

Then there would be the cost of people's attitudes. Where would you draw a line? If something went off in the city would you still be happy sitting at your desk in Holborn while the offices over the road at St Paul's are abandoned?

A bomb like this could kill a few people yes, but the economic fallout would be crippling. Set 3 off together in London/Birmingham/Manchester and you could bankrupt the country in a day.

As for the material, go over to Georgia, Ukraine etc and see how much stuff you could buy in a few days. Collect up a number of old xray machines and you're halfway there. This material is all over the place, far easier to get than anything near fissile and pretty much available to the bloke with the deepest pockets.

This ^ x1000. Benjj speaketh the truth.

[superkartracer]

Hugo a Gogo said:

you don't

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster

HTH

[Digga]

superkartracer said:

How do you burn/melt/explode Radiation?????

Wit' fire ya eejit.

[Hugo a Gogo]

benjj said:

Calling people dim after suggesting what you did just makes you look like an argumentative know-nothing imbecile.

whereas your sarcastic "wow, you solved nuclear waste" response makes you king of the internet


again, collecting enough material that can be dispersed, and dispersing it, is not as easy as 'strapping some x-ray machines to a car bomb'

[Hugo a Gogo]

superkartracer said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

you don't

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster

HTH

yeah, that's still not "setting fire to radiation"

[benjj]

Hugo a Gogo said:

whereas your sarcastic "wow, you solved nuclear waste" response makes you king of the internet


again, collecting enough material that can be dispersed, and dispersing it, is not as easy as 'strapping some x-ray machines to a car bomb'

I don't have the interest or patience to discuss this further with you.

[Hugo a Gogo]

you haven't discussed it with me, you just posted a stupid sarcastic comment