London should become a city state if there's a hard Brexit

[Bill]

IroningMan said:

So the amusing notion that London might secede from the UK has prompted a Berlin 1947 scenario from the PH Ultras...let's hope that the UK leaving the EU doesn't prompt a similarly congenial response from the EU's negotiators.

Bizarre indeed. London/Scotland can't have their cake, but somehow the UK can.

[judas]

IroningMan said:

So the amusing notion that London might secede from the UK has prompted a Berlin 1947 scenario from the PH Ultras...let's hope that the UK leaving the EU doesn't prompt a similarly congenial response from the EU's negotiators.

A thoroughly absurd suggestion elicits an equally absurd response - who'da thunk it?

[IroningMan]

judas said:

IroningMan said:

So the amusing notion that London might secede from the UK has prompted a Berlin 1947 scenario from the PH Ultras...let's hope that the UK leaving the EU doesn't prompt a similarly congenial response from the EU's negotiators.

A thoroughly absurd suggestion elicits an equally absurd response - who'da thunk it?

Precisely...

[anonymous-user]

SystemParanoia said:

jjlynn27 said:

SystemParanoia said:

Heathrow.. no use, the rUK's typhoons will maintain a no fly zone.
Trains.. rUK cut the tracks
Roads.. rUK blocks them with tanks and military
Thames.. Diverted permanently upstream
Internet.. satellite is your only option
Utilities.. Lines cut and capped

rUK carries on as normal.. all london nonsense shifts to birmingham/Cov and we get to watch you all slowly die.

Bit drastic that?

As for 'all london nonsense shifts to birmingham/Cow' you are having a laugh, aren't you?

Yeah... we'll just wait for the londoners to die off ( wont take long ), then move back in with a fresh lot that tow the line and behave

Your plan will work really well. Until you run out of money (six weeks?) and revert to an agrarian peasant existence.

If you're one of the lucky ones, you'll live close enough to the London border wall to rummage through the refuse we chuck out for you.

But there will be no Jennifer Lawrence with a bow and arrow to save you this time!

[paulrockliffe]

IroningMan said:

judas said:

IroningMan said:

So the amusing notion that London might secede from the UK has prompted a Berlin 1947 scenario from the PH Ultras...let's hope that the UK leaving the EU doesn't prompt a similarly congenial response from the EU's negotiators.

A thoroughly absurd suggestion elicits an equally absurd response - who'da thunk it?

Precisely...

Of course the responses are equally as absurd as the suggestion. If you read back through the above you'll see that no one is suggesting this is a good idea or that extreme responses are desirable.

But what's the point of the thread if you can't discuss the hypothetical?

It's hardly Berlin 1947 to think that the response from the rUK to London's 'leaving' would be 'extreme' The whole situation would be extreme.

Even in the least extreme response rUK would place a value on London's use of the rUK to carry on being London that would be based on the value of that access to London. I don't think that's a controversial or 'extreme' idea is it?

Parallel's with the UK leaving the EU are hardly the same; if the UK was surrounded by the EU and couldn't trade outside the EU without the EU's say-so then I'd certainly expect the future deal to reflect that and it would have been a major factor in the vote. But none of that is the case.

[SystemParanoia]

Greg66 said:

there will be no Jennifer Lawrence

this makes me sad

[Norfolkit]

Murph7355 said:

SKP555 said:

Funny how people who thought the UK was too small to survive on it's own suddenly think small parts of it are big enough to survive on their own.

I'm sure living in an independent London under the socialist collective run by Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbbot will be a great success. 45 of London's 73 MP's are Labour, the rest of the country keeps you safe from the loony left.

[oyster]

Rovinghawk said:

article said:

why can’t we have a well-overdue debate about London becoming more autonomous and independent from the rest of the country?

Before it becomes independent from rUK, can it feed itself? Provide its own power? Provide its own water?
The arrogance of little Londoners is impressive.

The UK as a whole can't do that. We import way more food than we produce. Same for power.

Besides which, without London's tax contribution how would the rest of the UK survive?



PS. I'm not in London before you shoot me.

[MrBrightSi]

Im only a "Little englander" from the midlands, but do people in the Capital really have head so far up arse?

I don't rave about my little section of sherwood forest to myself, even if it is peaceful and close to nature, yeah a bit run down but overall to me it pisses all over the city.

What i don't understand is how self inflated living in some urban sprawl is and that those who don't live in some horrible hipster city that claims its somehow multicultural but the best of London we get up here is the young lad's obsession with inner city gang crime, grime and drugs. Must be great going to the trendy bars in such an urban hell hole.

[SystemParanoia]

London 3 hours after my little siege starts

[jjlynn27]

MrBrightSi said:

Im only a "Little englander" from the midlands, but do people in the Capital really have head so far up arse?

I don't rave about my little section of sherwood forest to myself, even if it is peaceful and close to nature, yeah a bit run down but overall to me it pisses all over the city.

What i don't understand is how self inflated living in some urban sprawl is and that those who don't live in some horrible hipster city that claims its somehow multicultural but the best of London we get up here is the young lad's obsession with inner city gang crime, grime and drugs. Must be great going to the trendy bars in such an urban hell hole.

Never been to London, have you? If you get that chip off your shoulder you'd realise that London is fantastic. Like any other place it has a fair share of its problems, but to call it 'urban hell hole' is downright stupid.

[Murph7355]

MrBrightSi said:

Im only a "Little englander" from the midlands, but do people in the Capital really have head so far up arse?

I don't rave about my little section of sherwood forest to myself, even if it is peaceful and close to nature, yeah a bit run down but overall to me it pisses all over the city.

What i don't understand is how self inflated living in some urban sprawl is and that those who don't live in some horrible hipster city that claims its somehow multicultural but the best of London we get up here is the young lad's obsession with inner city gang crime, grime and drugs. Must be great going to the trendy bars in such an urban hell hole.

London is very successful and we shouldn't denude that. It manages this on the back of the people it imports - from the provinces and abroad.

If it were left to cope with the indigenous (Jawknee, Ken Livingstone, Diane Abbott, David Lammy etc) the capital would never have settled there through an accident of geography and would have been a couple of hundred miles North. Such is life - the rest of the country needs to support London in this way to avoid it becoming a sinkhole of inbred morons.

[johnfm]

JawKnee said:

johnfm said:

JawKnee said:

MrBrightSi said:

JawKnee said:

I already live in the EU thanks and have done my whole life.

Right, so you dont live in the capital?

Why are you getting involved then, it's not your home, you're an EU citizen now and i hope they keep you.

Eh? I'm London born and bred. London is my home. London is in the EU...

London , being a city in the UK, is in Europe. The UK is currently still in the EU, but will be out of the EU in a couple of years. London will still be in Europe, but won't be in the EU.

Which bit don't you understand?

What are you talking about? How does that equal "right, so you don't live in the capital?"

You are conflating the continent of Europe with the EU. Dimwit.

[Otispunkmeyer]

MrBrightSi said:

Im only a "Little englander" from the midlands, but do people in the Capital really have head so far up arse?

I don't rave about my little section of sherwood forest to myself, even if it is peaceful and close to nature, yeah a bit run down but overall to me it pisses all over the city.

What i don't understand is how self inflated living in some urban sprawl is and that those who don't live in some horrible hipster city that claims its somehow multicultural but the best of London we get up here is the young lad's obsession with inner city gang crime, grime and drugs. Must be great going to the trendy bars in such an urban hell hole.

I don't mind London for a visit. Some great things to see and do. Some grim bits, some nice bits, some bits full of people who don't live on planet earth. But on the whole, no real appeal (though oddly, I like HK and NYC, equally busy and yet, not really a problem, but they seem to cope with masses of people much better).

I'd have given myself a brain aneurysm by now trying to drive or travel to work down there and I'd be flat broke after paying all my money for a cupboard under the stairs. Friend of mine pays a small fortune for a train season pass. Never gets a seat, spends the day working, travelling, sleeping. Thats it. No time for anything else. All to pay a mortgage on a modest house with a ridiculous price.

Floats peoples boats. Not mine. No skin off my nose though.

[okgo]

Its probably a good thing it doesn't appeal to everyone otherwise those that want to be among it would have more people to compete with for the jobs.

[Camoradi]

Best of luck London. Hope it works out for you.



PS: We've got all the decent driving roads and race tracks

[sidicks]

Camoradi said:

Best of luck London. Hope it works out for you.



PS: We've got all the decent driving roads and race tracks

Fair point, but there are a fewer recent joiners who apparently have no interest in driving and have seemingly joined a car forum simply to post about Brexit!

[MrBrightSi]

jjlynn27 said:

Never been to London, have you? If you get that chip off your shoulder you'd realise that London is fantastic. Like any other place it has a fair share of its problems, but to call it 'urban hell hole' is downright stupid.

No no, i've been, you've got great museums and what have you and yeah it is a big part of this country, but someone needs to have an opposing view to London being all sunshine and roses, maybe some of us people in England love it for being a green and verdant land, not just one overgrown urban sprawl.

[okgo]

sidicks said:

Fair point, but there are a fewer recent joiners who apparently have no interest in driving and have seemingly joined a car forum simply to post about Brexit!

Arguably this is much more than a car forum now.

I barely read any of the car content.

[okgo]

MrBrightSi said:

No no, i've been, you've got great museums and what have you and yeah it is a big part of this country, but someone needs to have an opposing view to London being all sunshine and roses, maybe some of us people in England love it for being a green and verdant land, not just one overgrown urban sprawl.

There are plenty of lovely parts that are even quite green. Just have to know where to look. Suppose you didn't wander too far from Euston eh?