Brexit or Bregret? poll

[djc206]

RacerMDR said:

i'm uninterested mostly and therefore uneducated in the world of politics.........but I suspect non of them as an individual have much power do they?

I don't like Corbyn for many reasons - and if he got it I'd be pissed off, but how much damage can one looney really do?

It’s not one loon, the shadow chancellor and numerous others are also loons but this is turning into a digression.

[sidicks]

mx5nut said:

The Leavers in NP&E tend to be at the more radicalised end of the spectrum.

For them, any amount of damage to the country is acceptable to fulfil their ideological goals.

The average man on the street... not so much.

You tend to be wrong about everything.

I imagine you aspire to be as informed as ‘the average man in the street’, albeit that is an unrealistic aspiration.

[gooner1]

mx5nut said:

But I was told the economy would collapse overnight, public services would grind to a halt and anyone with a few pounds to their name would be fleeing the country if the will of the people elected him.

Sounds very much like what Remainers were predicting would
occur, in the event a certain referendum didn't go their way.

[mx5nut]

gooner1 said:

mx5nut said:

But I was told the economy would collapse overnight, public services would grind to a halt and anyone with a few pounds to their name would be fleeing the country if the will of the people elected him.

Sounds very much like what Remainers were predicting would
occur, in the event a certain referendum didn't go their way.

When we end up with a Corbyn government because people ignore all the doom and gloom predictions about him and vote for him anyway, the Brexiteers will reap what they've sowed with the "project fear" nonsense.

Again, it's just a shame that they'll drag the rest of us along with them.

[anonymous-user]

mx5nut said:

gooner1 said:

mx5nut said:

But I was told the economy would collapse overnight, public services would grind to a halt and anyone with a few pounds to their name would be fleeing the country if the will of the people elected him.

Sounds very much like what Remainers were predicting would
occur, in the event a certain referendum didn't go their way.

When we end up with a Corbyn government because people ignore all the doom and gloom predictions about him and vote for him anyway, the Brexiteers will reap what they've sowed with the "project fear" nonsense.

Again, it's just a shame that they'll drag the rest of us along with them.

A Corbyn government will likely be driven by voters feeling disenfranchised and ignored by the government and wage stagnation looking for change.

Much like trump and Brexit . The people have spoken etc.

[gooner1]

mx5nut said:

gooner1 said:

mx5nut said:

But I was told the economy would collapse overnight, public services would grind to a halt and anyone with a few pounds to their name would be fleeing the country if the will of the people's elected him.

Sounds very much like what Remainers were predicting would
occur, in the event a certain referendum didn't go their way.

When we end up with a Corbyn government because people ignore all the doom and gloom predictions about him and vote for him anyway, the Brexiteers will reap what they've sowed with the "project fear" nonsense.

Again, it's just a shame that they'll drag the rest of us along with them.

You can't always get what you want, in a Democracy.
No smileys in your reply, are you unwell?

[anonymous-user]

Integroo said:

I'm shocked. I am a European lawyer and a staunch remainer and the general feel amongst my colleagues and contemporaries is that if we had a second referendum tomorrow, remain would walk it. Truly shocked at the number that would vote Brexit despite the shambles that it is and the cost to society and to individuals.

I’ve been truly shocked at the number that would vote Remain despite the shambles that the EU is and its cost to society and individuals. ( which is why the vote went the way it did, of course.)

But then some have a vested interest.

[rdjohn]

Integroo said:

I'm shocked. I am a European lawyer and a staunch remainer and the general feel amongst my colleagues and contemporaries is that if we had a second referendum tomorrow, remain would walk it. Truly shocked at the number that would vote Brexit despite the shambles that it is and the cost to society and to individuals.

But your view is that of every staunch remainer. I think that is the point of this ballot.

While I voted leave, I would have been reasonably happy if Cameron had gone back to the EU to try and get a sensible deal on what he was originally going to ask for in Feb 2016, given the closeness of the result.

However, my view has hardened since France and others within the EU (Brussels) have stated that the UK needs to be seen to be punished. Democracy only seems to be OK for the EU, providing that they are free to operate the protectionism of the single market.

We are all happy to pay for Apple products designed in the US and manufactured in China and the profits returned to offshore locations under WTO terms. Do we need to buy polluting German cars as the price for them buying our financial services? Free trade throughout the world is likely to be good for everyone. Especially for the very poor in Africa. But freedom of movement does not have to be an automatic consequence. Cameron’s original objectives were about the right balance IMHO.

[mx5nut]

rdjohn said:

However, my view has hardened since France and others within the EU (Brussels) have stated that the UK needs to be seen to be punished. Democracy only seems to be OK for the EU, providing that they are free to operate the protectionism of the single market.

Your views have hardened due to the winning side's victim complex?

Odd.

[FiF]

sidicks said:

mx5nut said:

The Leavers in NP&E tend to be at the more radicalised end of the spectrum.

For them, any amount of damage to the country is acceptable to fulfil their ideological goals.

The average man on the street... not so much.

You tend to be wrong about everything.

I imagine you aspire to be as informed as ‘the average man in the street’, albeit that is an unrealistic aspiration.

Tbh I wondered if that post by Mx5 was actually by Yipper using a second account. First two lines were utter rubbish, as wrong as wrong could be, wronger than a stopped clock.

[toon10]

A lot of people are unhappy with the Status Quo which I get. Fishing rights, paying the EU lots of money and various other concerns.

Maybe a lot of remain voters are unhappy too but voted that way because better the devil you know and all that.

It seems to me like a lot of people voted to leave because they are unhappy but…

Did they vote leave because?
a) They genuinely believe our politicians can cope with the distraction from running the country and are capable of getting us better deals/getting the UK in a better position than if we were to stay in the EU?

b) They want everyone to know how annoyed they are at the EU and don’t care how the UK would suffer? Cutting their noses off to spite their faces.

c) Something else.

If it’s a) then fair play, you’ve got more faith in the Government than me but at least I could understand the rationale behind your vote.

[Digga]

I posted this elsewhere on NP&E, but it is a really, really good admission of calling Brexit wrong from economist Niall Fergusson. I think he nails a lot of issues that both sides of the vote can identify with. What it does show, is how difficult a vote it really was. What it does not show is whether either side is right, of course, but it is a very, very good video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r8eDIIo3fw

[98elise]

mx5nut said:

Integroo said:

I'm shocked. I am a European lawyer and a staunch remainer and the general feel amongst my colleagues and contemporaries is that if we had a second referendum tomorrow, remain would walk it. Truly shocked at the number that would vote Brexit despite the shambles that it is and the cost to society and to individuals.

The Leavers in NP&E tend to be at the more radicalised end of the spectrum.

Oh the irony...

[Ahbefive]

Integroo said:

I'm shocked. I am a European lawyer and a staunch remainer and the general feel amongst my colleagues and contemporaries is that if we had a second referendum tomorrow, remain would walk it.

What a crazy bubble you and your colleagues must live in. Blissful ignorance.

[98elise]

Integroo said:

I'm shocked. I am a European lawyer and a staunch remainer and the general feel amongst my colleagues and contemporaries is that if we had a second referendum tomorrow, remain would walk it. Truly shocked at the number that would vote Brexit despite the shambles that it is and the cost to society and to individuals.

Did your colleagues and contemporaries vote remain before? If so its not surprising that they feel remain would win a second referendum. Do you know people that have shifted their position?

My friends, family and colleagues were a mixed bunch, but I don't know anyone that's changed their mind. If anything they have become more polar in their views.

[FiF]

Ahbefive said:

Integroo said:

I'm shocked. I am a European lawyer and a staunch remainer and the general feel amongst my colleagues and contemporaries is that if we had a second referendum tomorrow, remain would walk it.

What a crazy bubble you and your colleagues must live in. Blissful ignorance.

Try academia, still get people physically in tears over it. Throw in the opportunity for an anti baby boomers rant and you'll need to deploy a box of tissues.

[98elise]

djc206 said:

RacerMDR said:

i'm uninterested mostly and therefore uneducated in the world of politics.........but I suspect non of them as an individual have much power do they?

I don't like Corbyn for many reasons - and if he got it I'd be pissed off, but how much damage can one looney really do?

It’s not one loon, the shadow chancellor and numerous others are also loons but this is turning into a digression.

And with a majority you can do pretty much anything as long as your party tow the line. It would be interesting to see if his MP's support the majority of his policies though. 20 of his own shadow cabinet resigned or were sacked IIRC.

[anonymous-user]

dro said:

I was expecting it to be massively for remain considering how much we keep being told that the country has changed it's mind back to staying in.

Not true going by this poll so far, another tantrum inducing thread for the small flock of permanently logged in prolix parrots.

Agreed, there are obviously more leave voters frequenting these Brexit threads.

[gooner1]

98elise said:

And with a majority you can do pretty much anything as long as your party tow the line. It would be interesting to see if his MP's support the majority of his policies though. 20 of his own shadow cabinet resigned or were sacked IIRC.

How does that figure compare to the equivalent number of sackings, resignations,
with our present Government?

[BigMacDaddy]

Ghibli said:

Agreed, there are obviously more leave voters frequenting these Brexit threads