This a*se should be arrested
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Ridgemont said:
Andy20vt said:
Ridgemont said:
Andy20vt said:
Ridgemont said:
They may well be. The conditions for vessels on the other hand were not regular.
What would you class as 'regular' conditions?
king idiotic mate, and that is the point.Andy20vt said:
If you'd bothered to read anything about this over and above your own opinions, you would find that the RNLI have received donations into the 10's of thousands directly as a result of the video of this incident being publicised.
I know they have. Now they can spend it on more stupid people.eharding said:
In which case, how did your mate lose his equipment, drift several miles to shore and cause a lifeboat to be launched?
Frankly, I'm not sure who is the bigger idiot here. Your mate for causing this, or you trying to apologise for him.
Maybe google ‘big wave surfing’ and come back with a bit more of a clue?Frankly, I'm not sure who is the bigger idiot here. Your mate for causing this, or you trying to apologise for him.
Andy20vt said:
eharding said:
Andy20vt said:
no one put the RNLI in danger. They took that risk upon themselves.
Jesus wept. Can you not understand that if your idiot mate had not decided to go out in these conditions today, then nobody else would have willingly airborne or on the water try any find him?
Self-entitled, deluded 2@ doesn't even start to cover this one.
I think you should just stop digging. I know a few RNLI and whilst their social media messages are all fairly positive, they'd have wanted to have give this bloke an absolute round of f
ks. eharding said:
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
If he’s in that bracket then the RNLI advice doesn’t really apply; that’s aimed more at the general public not the small percentage of experts
Give your head a wobble.The RNLI advice doesn't apply, because he's an expert......but he's such an incompetent expert, the RNLI have to launch anyway?
Andy20vt said:
Johnnytheboy said:
They should confiscate his VW Transporter, sell it and give the money to the RNLI.
My god it's like that scene from Monty Python on here today where the simple villagers think they've found a witch!eharding said:
ATG said:
Surfing in big storms is a bit like extreme mountaineering..
No it isn't, at least not in this case.If you die in the high mountains, and you will have understood this long before getting there - your body will stay where you die, and in the process of dying you won't expect anyone else to come and rescue you. That is part of the pact, and you accept that.
In this case, there seems to be - from the apologist at least - some sense of entitlement that regardless of the conditions, you can act as you please and if that entails the launch of a rescue craft, then so be it.
Huge difference.
If someone is doing something as pointless and self-indulgent and risky as ice climbing on the side of Ben Nevis, do you ever hear mountain rescue complaining they've had to put themselves at risk to help?
ATG said:
Come on. The reality is that mountaineers try to save each other unless it is suicidal to do so.
If someone is doing something as pointless and self-indulgent and risky as ice climbing on the side of Ben Nevis, do you ever hear mountain rescue complaining they've had to put themselves at risk to help?
I think that people who don't engage in these outdoor sports at a high level can't seem to grasp the concept of this as it's something completely outside of their comfort zone, ability and field of knowledge. It's the same mentality as those sat close to the steering wheel, look straight ahead, middle lane, 55mph drivers, thinking that anyone who drives past going quicker them must be some sort of reckless maniac.If someone is doing something as pointless and self-indulgent and risky as ice climbing on the side of Ben Nevis, do you ever hear mountain rescue complaining they've had to put themselves at risk to help?
Andy20vt said:
ATG said:
Come on. The reality is that mountaineers try to save each other unless it is suicidal to do so.
If someone is doing something as pointless and self-indulgent and risky as ice climbing on the side of Ben Nevis, do you ever hear mountain rescue complaining they've had to put themselves at risk to help?
I think that people who don't engage in these outdoor sports at a high level can't seem to grasp the concept of this as it's something completely outside of their comfort zone, ability and field of knowledge. It's the same mentality as those sat close to the steering wheel, look straight ahead, middle lane, 55mph drivers, thinking that anyone who drives past going quicker them must be some sort of reckless maniac.If someone is doing something as pointless and self-indulgent and risky as ice climbing on the side of Ben Nevis, do you ever hear mountain rescue complaining they've had to put themselves at risk to help?
I'm good mates with a few of the RNLI crew at a base just along the coast.
There were a few windsurfers/kitesurfers out Saturday and yesterday - all highly experienced and aware that things can go wrong.
Shannon Class boats really are the absolute dog's danglies...
Would he have gotten a bking? Not in my experience - he'd have likely been contrite enough.
Lifeboatmen (and women, big chunk of all the crews near me are female) tend to love the sea, love enjoying what it has to offer - and understand people wanting to do the same.
Would they be as peeved by this chap as the nuggets who go out in summer without checking fuel/batteries in their stty 70s Fletcher and requiring a several hour tow? Unlikely.
Next time i pop down for a pint with my old man I'll ask them.
There were a few windsurfers/kitesurfers out Saturday and yesterday - all highly experienced and aware that things can go wrong.
Shannon Class boats really are the absolute dog's danglies...
Would he have gotten a b
king? Not in my experience - he'd have likely been contrite enough. Lifeboatmen (and women, big chunk of all the crews near me are female) tend to love the sea, love enjoying what it has to offer - and understand people wanting to do the same.
Would they be as peeved by this chap as the nuggets who go out in summer without checking fuel/batteries in their s
tty 70s Fletcher and requiring a several hour tow? Unlikely. Next time i pop down for a pint with my old man I'll ask them.
eharding said:
Andy20vt said:
eharding said:
That he, absolutely, put others lives at risk is inexcusable.
He didn't put other's lives at risk - the RNLI chose to perform a search for him that was well withing their capability.The crew said themselves about the incident that "it's what they do". I dare say they probably relished the opportunity to put all of their training into practice. Didn't sound like any big deal to them but somehow it is a big deal to someone who wasn't involved, sat on a sofa and typing on here!
Today wasn't a day that anyone with any degree of judgement would have gone out onto the water.
Your idiot mate did, and that meant the RNLI felt they had to, to save his life. If you can't see the difference, then you're as much an as idiot as he is.
Depending on your skill level and equipment the conditions you get into trouble in may be 20 knots, or it may be 60 knots. You can't just make sweeping generalisations about "any degree of judgement".
Greendubber said:
Andy20vt said:
eharding said:
Andy20vt said:
no one put the RNLI in danger. They took that risk upon themselves.
Jesus wept. Can you not understand that if your idiot mate had not decided to go out in these conditions today, then nobody else would have willingly airborne or on the water try any find him?
Self-entitled, deluded 2@ doesn't even start to cover this one.
I think you should just stop digging. I know a few RNLI and whilst their social media messages are all fairly positive, they'd have wanted to have give this bloke an absolute round of f
ks. That said Mountain Rescue, the RNLI etc, are not obliged to go out and save people. There have been many occasions where crews have stood down should conditions prove to be beyond their skill and safe operational capability. This incident wasn't one of them.
Funny you should say you know some RNLI folk. The thing is, is that I actually do, mountain rescue too! They are a selfless and stoic bunch. They understand that occasionally people make errors of judgement, push themselves too far, or find themselves into situations outside of their control. They do not berate the people they rescue, nor do they tend to cast judgement on them for getting into difficulty. Unlike the rabid keyboard warriors on here baying for blood from their armchairs after reading a sensationalist news article. But as usual I suspect that it's the empty vessels that make the most noise.
Andy20vt said:
I didn't say that there was no risk - just that when you sign up for these things you fully understand you are going to be putting yourself in some risky situations from time to time as a necessary part of performing your role.
That said Mountain Rescue, the RNLI etc, are not obliged to go out and save people. There have been many occasions where crews have stood down should conditions prove to be beyond their skill and safe operational capability. This incident wasn't one of them.
Funny you should say you know some RNLI folk. The thing is, is that I actually do, mountain rescue too! They are a selfless and stoic bunch. They understand that occasionally people make errors of judgement, push themselves too far, or find themselves into situations outside of their control. They do not berate the people they rescue, nor do they tend to cast judgement on them for getting into difficulty. Unlike the rabid keyboard warriors on here baying for blood from their armchairs after reading a sensationalist news article. But as usual I suspect that it's the empty vessels that make the most noise.
Brilliant post Andy, exactly what I would have said if I was eloquent enough.That said Mountain Rescue, the RNLI etc, are not obliged to go out and save people. There have been many occasions where crews have stood down should conditions prove to be beyond their skill and safe operational capability. This incident wasn't one of them.
Funny you should say you know some RNLI folk. The thing is, is that I actually do, mountain rescue too! They are a selfless and stoic bunch. They understand that occasionally people make errors of judgement, push themselves too far, or find themselves into situations outside of their control. They do not berate the people they rescue, nor do they tend to cast judgement on them for getting into difficulty. Unlike the rabid keyboard warriors on here baying for blood from their armchairs after reading a sensationalist news article. But as usual I suspect that it's the empty vessels that make the most noise.
Andy20vt said:
Because just because you can't comprehend someone being able to look after themselves in these conditions it doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who are able to cope perfectly well. Okay on this occasion things didn't go to plan for him and I'm sure he learned a lot from it but regardless no one put the RNLI in danger. They took that risk upon themselves.
But he couldn’t look after himself. If the bloke hadn’t been such an idiot the RNLI wouldn’t have had to go out to help him. He selfishly and stupidly put others lives in danger because of his hobby.
Desiderata said:
Sorry, I disagree with most who've responded here, yes the guy ended up biting off a bit more than he could chew' but hundreds of people engage in dangerous sports every day. Are they all wrong?
Every week people(including me) ski, surf, sail, kayak, climb mountains and many other 'dangerous' sports, pushing themselves to the limits of their abilities.
I have friends and family in both the life boat service and in mountain rescue. Ask them whether they think people shouldn't participate in these activities, I'm pretty sure they'd be horrified at the suggestion..
Someone successfully rows across the Atlantic in a bathtub, they're hailed as a hero, pushing the limits of man's endeavour, they fail and have to be rescued, do they suddenly become an idiot?
There is always a point where adventurous becomes foolhardy, just not easy to see that point in advance.
The point is when you are doing them during a known and forecasted storm and you’re putting other’s lives in danger.Every week people(including me) ski, surf, sail, kayak, climb mountains and many other 'dangerous' sports, pushing themselves to the limits of their abilities.
I have friends and family in both the life boat service and in mountain rescue. Ask them whether they think people shouldn't participate in these activities, I'm pretty sure they'd be horrified at the suggestion..
Someone successfully rows across the Atlantic in a bathtub, they're hailed as a hero, pushing the limits of man's endeavour, they fail and have to be rescued, do they suddenly become an idiot?
There is always a point where adventurous becomes foolhardy, just not easy to see that point in advance.
Do you do these activities during a storm and dangerous weather conditions?
If you kayak surf or sail, you’re not an idiot if you deliberately do it during a forecasted storm then you are.
Desiderata said:
Andy20vt said:
I didn't say that there was no risk - just that when you sign up for these things you fully understand you are going to be putting yourself in some risky situations from time to time as a necessary part of performing your role.
That said Mountain Rescue, the RNLI etc, are not obliged to go out and save people. There have been many occasions where crews have stood down should conditions prove to be beyond their skill and safe operational capability. This incident wasn't one of them.
Funny you should say you know some RNLI folk. The thing is, is that I actually do, mountain rescue too! They are a selfless and stoic bunch. They understand that occasionally people make errors of judgement, push themselves too far, or find themselves into situations outside of their control. They do not berate the people they rescue, nor do they tend to cast judgement on them for getting into difficulty. Unlike the rabid keyboard warriors on here baying for blood from their armchairs after reading a sensationalist news article. But as usual I suspect that it's the empty vessels that make the most noise.
Brilliant post Andy, exactly what I would have said if I was eloquent enough.That said Mountain Rescue, the RNLI etc, are not obliged to go out and save people. There have been many occasions where crews have stood down should conditions prove to be beyond their skill and safe operational capability. This incident wasn't one of them.
Funny you should say you know some RNLI folk. The thing is, is that I actually do, mountain rescue too! They are a selfless and stoic bunch. They understand that occasionally people make errors of judgement, push themselves too far, or find themselves into situations outside of their control. They do not berate the people they rescue, nor do they tend to cast judgement on them for getting into difficulty. Unlike the rabid keyboard warriors on here baying for blood from their armchairs after reading a sensationalist news article. But as usual I suspect that it's the empty vessels that make the most noise.
Thing is, you can't blame people for clutching their arses about his little adventure when everyone has been warned off Snowdon but he insists he'll 'be fine' and then slips off Crib Goch.
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