Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 4)

[Dont like rolls]

Vanden Saab said:

Downing Street has rejected Labours nomination of both Bercow and Karie Murphy. Bercow for outstanding concerns about his “propriety”. Murphy because of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission investigation into alleged institutional anti-Semitism in the Labour Party.

Now that is sweet......Murphy can sod off but I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall in the BurkNow house

[S1KRR]

El stovey said:

JagLover said:

bhstewie said:

Off the top of your head do you think anything else might have happened recently that might have had an impact on many peoples opinion of the Government?

Anything at all leap to mind....?

El Stovey just posted the chart. The decline started well before the Cummings affair.

It is easy to be popular when you are paying nine million people to sit in their gardens and validating the terrors of most of the rest.

Wasn’t it 10th May when Boris laid out his plan? Popularity was falling from well before then.

Popularity was falling from mid April when nine million were sitting in their gardens, so maybe not that easy to be popular.

First poll after Boris laid out his plans was 14 May here.

It was around Mid April when they extended it for another 3 weeks. And a lot of people had already had quite enough "me time" So were getting restless.

When the books are written in the future. It will not be rosy, but I suspect a little time and a decent author may get a better grip on it all and the reasoning for decisions over the idiots we are dealing with currently in the media, politics and various health groups.

[JagLover]

El stovey said:

bhstewie said:

This one is political I guess.

Rees-Mogg's plans for MPs to vote in person 'beyond a farce'

What happened to the "common sense" Mogg is famed for (and which pretty much marked the last time he was let out in public)?

I get your point regarding WFH etc but Rees-Mogg has always had a strong sense of fairness and seems to have passionate views about MPs staying home whilst others go back to work.

As has been said before MPs need to lead by example. The public wont go back to work while they are hiding under their beds.

[turbobloke]

JagLover said:

El stovey said:

bhstewie said:

This one is political I guess.

Rees-Mogg's plans for MPs to vote in person 'beyond a farce'

What happened to the "common sense" Mogg is famed for (and which pretty much marked the last time he was let out in public)?

I get your point regarding WFH etc but Rees-Mogg has always had a strong sense of fairness and seems to have passionate views about MPs staying home whilst others go back to work.

As has been said before MPs need to lead by example. The public wont go back to work while they are hiding under their beds.

Good point.

[John Locke]

bhstewie said:

This one is political I guess.

Rees-Mogg's plans for MPs to vote in person 'beyond a farce'

What happened to the "common sense" Mogg is famed for (and which pretty much marked the last time he was let out in public)?

Rees-Mogg's common sense and disdain for idiots is what would make him a great PM; should we entertain MPs who are too frightened or feeble to go to work?

[rscott]

JagLover said:

El stovey said:

bhstewie said:

This one is political I guess.

Rees-Mogg's plans for MPs to vote in person 'beyond a farce'

What happened to the "common sense" Mogg is famed for (and which pretty much marked the last time he was let out in public)?

I get your point regarding WFH etc but Rees-Mogg has always had a strong sense of fairness and seems to have passionate views about MPs staying home whilst others go back to work.

As has been said before MPs need to lead by example. The public wont go back to work while they are hiding under their beds.

How about the MPs who send their children to public schools set an example by insisting those schools re-open now, not in September?
That might encourage some parents to let their children go back to state schools now.

[rscott]

John Locke said:

bhstewie said:

This one is political I guess.

Rees-Mogg's plans for MPs to vote in person 'beyond a farce'

What happened to the "common sense" Mogg is famed for (and which pretty much marked the last time he was let out in public)?

Rees-Mogg's common sense and disdain for idiots is what would make him a great PM; should we entertain MPs who are too frightened or feeble to go to work?

What about the MPs who have family members who need to be isolated for health reasons? Why should they place them at risk?

If Rees-Mogg is serious about reopening, then the only item they should be queuing for a kilometre to vote on would be a change to voting procedures to allow a more modern and efficient method where they no longer queue any more.
He doesn't seem to be proposing that though.

[Zirconia]

In this digital age, maybe the government needs to be seen to be using tech and getting away from London, setting an example in treating this virus correctly. Certainly seems to be a few moves to shift the Lords north before pandemic (for whatever reasons). Start now with MP's (from home, not north). Moggy's plan was ever only to get some of the backing vocals for Boris. They have an incredibly mixed message at the moment.

Certainly a lot of people I know that are isolating or bordering on the need will not be following the government advice.

[bitchstewie]

El stovey said:

bhstewie said:

This one is political I guess.

Rees-Mogg's plans for MPs to vote in person 'beyond a farce'

What happened to the "common sense" Mogg is famed for (and which pretty much marked the last time he was let out in public)?

I get your point regarding WFH etc but Rees-Mogg has always had a strong sense of fairness and seems to have passionate views about MPs staying home whilst others go back to work.

It's simply about following the Governments own guidelines.

The Government isn't saying "go crowd back in your cramped office" nor are they saying "go back to your office even if it puts you and your elderly relatives at risk".

I fear he's simply showing that once again he's out of touch not only with the public mood but with his own Governments guidance.

[Tuna]

It's only going to get more chaotic.

It's going to be difficult to let pragmatic heads rule, when we have pressure from all sides to do exactly the right thing at exactly the right time, given that there are hundreds of different views on what and when is 'right'.

It would be the perfect time to modernise parliament, with electronic voting at every seat - if it weren't for the fact that a change of that significance would usually take years of committees, endless debates and a handful of bills to put in place, even before you get to the technical challenge of putting suitably secure and reliable voting terminals into that crusty old building.

The same's happening this week with schools. Some are going to be able to cope, some really aren't, just through the size and layout of the school and how it fits into its local community. Some will make do, some might even thrive - but some will report chaos and disorganisation, and an inability to deliver what's required in their particular circumstances.

Personally, I'm hoping we can look at this pragmatically, rather than pointing and screaming at every unfortunate outcome.

Getting ourselves 'back to normal' is going to be really, really hard and we should do all we can to support each other doing so.

[andymadmak]

rscott said:

How about the MPs who send their children to public schools set an example by insisting those schools re-open now, not in September?
That might encourage some parents to let their children go back to state schools now.

My goodness! How bitter and twisted are you!!??!!

Do you imagine that it's all Tories and only Tories that send their kids to public schools? I'm sure many MPs, of all parties, would like public schools to reopen sooner rather than later.

[anonymous-user]

JagLover said:

As has been said before MPs need to lead by example. The public wont go back to work while they are hiding under their beds.

Forgive me if I've missed anything- how could all the MPs attend parliament and maintain a 2m distance? What is it abou the digital, remote voting system that is so defective it needs to be replaced universally and immediately by voting in person? Why can't Parliament allow those who feel they should remain isolated to vote digitally and those happy and able to attend to do so in person?

[JagLover]

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

JagLover said:

As has been said before MPs need to lead by example. The public wont go back to work while they are hiding under their beds.

Forgive me if I've missed anything- how could all the MPs attend parliament and maintain a 2m distance? What is it abou the digital, remote voting system that is so defective it needs to be replaced universally and immediately by voting in person? Why can't Parliament allow those who feel they should remain isolated to vote digitally and those happy and able to attend to do so in person?

2 metres was never the WHO recommended distance and many workplaces are unworkable at 2m.

Reduce it to 1 metre (the recommended level) and many things become more workable. Given how detached most MPs have become from the business community forcing them to confront the challenges will only be a good thing.

[edh]

andymadmak said:

rscott said:

How about the MPs who send their children to public schools set an example by insisting those schools re-open now, not in September?
That might encourage some parents to let their children go back to state schools now.

My goodness! How bitter and twisted are you!!??!!

Do you imagine that it's all Tories and only Tories that send their kids to public schools? I'm sure many MPs, of all parties, would like public schools to reopen sooner rather than later.

I don't detect the word "Tory" in the original post?

[turbobloke]

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

JagLover said:

As has been said before MPs need to lead by example. The public wont go back to work while they are hiding under their beds.

Forgive me if I've missed anything- how could all the MPs attend parliament and maintain a 2m distance? What is it abou the digital, remote voting system that is so defective it needs to be replaced universally and immediately by voting in person? Why can't Parliament allow those who feel they should remain isolated to vote digitally and those happy and able to attend to do so in person?

The bit you added about 'all' need not apply routinely, it doesn't in practice. MPs are rarely 'all' present in the HoC and the same applies to 'nearly all' except for major items of business such as a budget speech.

Apparently France and Italy require people to keep 1m apart, supposedly in keeping with the World Health Organization but I haven't checked. If that criterion was used, probably with the added comfort blanket of a face mask, the HoC could manage debates, and voting also if procedures are adapted to keep to the 1m rule were it to be adopted.

[rscott]

andymadmak said:

rscott said:

How about the MPs who send their children to public schools set an example by insisting those schools re-open now, not in September?
That might encourage some parents to let their children go back to state schools now.

My goodness! How bitter and twisted are you!!??!!

Do you imagine that it's all Tories and only Tories that send their kids to public schools? I'm sure many MPs, of all parties, would like public schools to reopen sooner rather than later.

Where have I said anything about all/only Tories? I'm referring to any MPs who use public schools. If they're so keen for them to re-open, have any actually criticised the fact they're not?

[rscott]

turbobloke said:

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

JagLover said:

As has been said before MPs need to lead by example. The public wont go back to work while they are hiding under their beds.

Forgive me if I've missed anything- how could all the MPs attend parliament and maintain a 2m distance? What is it abou the digital, remote voting system that is so defective it needs to be replaced universally and immediately by voting in person? Why can't Parliament allow those who feel they should remain isolated to vote digitally and those happy and able to attend to do so in person?

The bit you added about 'all' need not apply routinely, it doesn't in practice. MPs are rarely 'all' present in the HoC and the same applies to 'nearly all' except for major items of business such as a budget speech.

Apparently France and Italy require people to keep 1m apart, supposedly in keeping with the World Health Organization but I haven't checked. If that criterion was used, probably with the added comfort blanket of a face mask, the HoC could manage debates, and voting also if procedures are adapted to keep to the 1m rule were it to be adopted.

I guess switching to a 1m distance would mean they'd only queue for about half a kilometre.

Surely this is an ideal time to introduce a new, vaguely modern, voting system?

They're limiting the number present in the chamber - has there been any official statement as to how those seats will be allocated? First come first served, proportional to total seats held by each party, etc?

[anonymous-user]

rscott said:

andymadmak said:

rscott said:

How about the MPs who send their children to public schools set an example by insisting those schools re-open now, not in September?
That might encourage some parents to let their children go back to state schools now.

My goodness! How bitter and twisted are you!!??!!

Do you imagine that it's all Tories and only Tories that send their kids to public schools? I'm sure many MPs, of all parties, would like public schools to reopen sooner rather than later.

Where have I said anything about all/only Tories? I'm referring to any MPs who use public schools. If they're so keen for them to re-open, have any actually criticised the fact they're not?

Quite right

Andy perhaps follow your own advice?

andymadmak said:

It means that I am focussed on trying to understand rather than leap to conclusions - conclusions which for too many are based on their own blind, narrow, ill informed and often contradictory prejudices.

[andymadmak]

rscott said:

andymadmak said:

rscott said:

How about the MPs who send their children to public schools set an example by insisting those schools re-open now, not in September?
That might encourage some parents to let their children go back to state schools now.

My goodness! How bitter and twisted are you!!??!!

Do you imagine that it's all Tories and only Tories that send their kids to public schools? I'm sure many MPs, of all parties, would like public schools to reopen sooner rather than later.

Where have I said anything about all/only Tories? I'm referring to any MPs who use public schools. If they're so keen for them to re-open, have any actually criticised the fact they're not?

You're quite right, and I apologise for reading more into your post that you intended to be there.
I don't know if MPs have criticised the Public School sector, but I am quite confident that there are MPs who are like many other parents right now - eager to see their kids back at school asap!

[Tuna]

rscott said:

I guess switching to a 1m distance would mean they'd only queue for about half a kilometre.

Surely this is an ideal time to introduce a new, vaguely modern, voting system?

I think you're already pushing the issue by using that dangerously modern unit of distance!