RIP - Capt Sir Tom Moore 02/02/21
Discussion
Dan_1981 said:
Why do they need an excuse to go?
I don't think they were under travel restrictions when they went?
Granted it may turn out to be a poorly thought through decision, but they may well have sat down and said... look lets go on holiday, and take the risks that come with it.
Kinda like they must have done for everyone of the 700+ media interviews & appearances they did over the last year?
The risk was not just to them though, other people are now being put at risk due to the fallout from this.I don't think they were under travel restrictions when they went?
Granted it may turn out to be a poorly thought through decision, but they may well have sat down and said... look lets go on holiday, and take the risks that come with it.
Kinda like they must have done for everyone of the 700+ media interviews & appearances they did over the last year?
I wish the nice old bloke well but I what if one of our politicians had taken their grandad to the Caribbean for Christmas?
I doubt they'd be getting this much support.
Gareth79 said:
gooner1 said:
You have a source for who paid for this holiday, or his financial situation before his vey welcome fundraising I take it.
I'm not the person you replied to, but it's highly likely they didn't pay for the holiday given they thank BA and Barbados on Twitter:https://twitter.com/captaintommoore/status/1337402...
Biggy Stardust said:
I have nothing against the guy- he comes across as a decent bloke.
However, I don't agree with his elevation to sainthood. He intended to wander around his garden to help raise a few quid for charity & the media turned it into a frenzy. Not to denigrate his efforts or intentions but the millions raised weren't really his doing.
He took a holiday when he should really have stayed home as per the rest of us ( I'd have done the same) and so the outpouring of sympathy seems excessive to me. At its simplest he's had more than his three score years & ten but "man dies of old age" doesn't sell newspapers.
And it was his daughter (who is in PR) who sent out a Press Release about what he was doing to try and raise some more money and then the media picked up on it and the rest is history.However, I don't agree with his elevation to sainthood. He intended to wander around his garden to help raise a few quid for charity & the media turned it into a frenzy. Not to denigrate his efforts or intentions but the millions raised weren't really his doing.
He took a holiday when he should really have stayed home as per the rest of us ( I'd have done the same) and so the outpouring of sympathy seems excessive to me. At its simplest he's had more than his three score years & ten but "man dies of old age" doesn't sell newspapers.
I agree about the “man dies of old age” narrative- pneumonia or as it is also known as “the old mans friend”
I do not begrudge his holiday although I do find it strange that the media don’t seem to mention it and if it was in his bucket list of things to do, wouldn’t you have thought that maybe he could have gone before? From what I can gather, it doesn’t look if his family is short of a Bob or too.
gooner1 said:
Gareth79 said:
gooner1 said:
You have a source for who paid for this holiday, or his financial situation before his vey welcome fundraising I take it.
I'm not the person you replied to, but it's highly likely they didn't pay for the holiday given they thank BA and Barbados on Twitter:https://twitter.com/captaintommoore/status/1337402...
InitialDave said:
If I make to to 100 (I almost certainly won't) and someone offers me a flight to Barbados at the expense of being seen as not doing exactly what I'm meant to be doing in the middle of a pandemic, I'll be on a beach pickling myself with Del Boy cocktails as fast as my zimmer frame can carry me.
Completely agree. He's a 100 fekin years old, how much longer does anyone think he's going to live.
Good on him for getting on a plane and fekin off from this cold grey miserable island that we are currently all stuck on.
It’s not about an old man going on holiday.
It’s about someone got famous partly telling us to stay at home for his safety using that fame to not stay home.
One person going abroad is not important in the grand scheme of things but, like Dominic Cummings, this has wider implications. People are losing livelihoods, children are missing education, life events and social interaction which they will never be able to get back. On the scale of what people are missing out on an elderly man not getting to go for a holiday in the Caribbean is not high on my list of concerns.
It’s about someone got famous partly telling us to stay at home for his safety using that fame to not stay home.
One person going abroad is not important in the grand scheme of things but, like Dominic Cummings, this has wider implications. People are losing livelihoods, children are missing education, life events and social interaction which they will never be able to get back. On the scale of what people are missing out on an elderly man not getting to go for a holiday in the Caribbean is not high on my list of concerns.
Electro1980 said:
It’s not about an old man going on holiday.
It’s about someone got famous partly telling us to stay at home for his safety using that fame to not stay home.
Did he say stay at home? It’s about someone got famous partly telling us to stay at home for his safety using that fame to not stay home.
I thought he got famous for walking a long distance despite clear disabilities in order to raise money for the NHS who have helped so many people.
blueg33 said:
Electro1980 said:
It’s not about an old man going on holiday.
It’s about someone got famous partly telling us to stay at home for his safety using that fame to not stay home.
Did he say stay at home? It’s about someone got famous partly telling us to stay at home for his safety using that fame to not stay home.
I thought he got famous for walking a long distance despite clear disabilities in order to raise money for the NHS who have helped so many people.
blueg33 said:
Electro1980 said:
It’s not about an old man going on holiday.
It’s about someone got famous partly telling us to stay at home for his safety using that fame to not stay home.
Did he say stay at home? It’s about someone got famous partly telling us to stay at home for his safety using that fame to not stay home.
I thought he got famous for walking a long distance despite clear disabilities in order to raise money for the NHS who have helped so many people.
Its a personality trait!
Tom went on holiday in December when the rules were not as tight as they are now.
Same trait that made Boris cycle seven miles around London.
Could be genetics or upbringing over several generations.
I have the same trait. Went to the Canaries about the same time. (Booked it in late March just when Lockdown 1 was announced and Easyjet were doing flights for £30 a person.) I'm in my 50's fit and well. Tom is 100. If I was Tom I would have gone with the proviso that I am big enough to make my own decisions but just for clarity if I do go then DNR.
Tom went on holiday in December when the rules were not as tight as they are now.
Same trait that made Boris cycle seven miles around London.
Could be genetics or upbringing over several generations.
I have the same trait. Went to the Canaries about the same time. (Booked it in late March just when Lockdown 1 was announced and Easyjet were doing flights for £30 a person.) I'm in my 50's fit and well. Tom is 100. If I was Tom I would have gone with the proviso that I am big enough to make my own decisions but just for clarity if I do go then DNR.
Boringvolvodriver said:
Biggy Stardust said:
I have nothing against the guy- he comes across as a decent bloke.
However, I don't agree with his elevation to sainthood. He intended to wander around his garden to help raise a few quid for charity & the media turned it into a frenzy. Not to denigrate his efforts or intentions but the millions raised weren't really his doing.
He took a holiday when he should really have stayed home as per the rest of us ( I'd have done the same) and so the outpouring of sympathy seems excessive to me. At its simplest he's had more than his three score years & ten but "man dies of old age" doesn't sell newspapers.
And it was his daughter (who is in PR) who sent out a Press Release about what he was doing to try and raise some more money and then the media picked up on it and the rest is history.However, I don't agree with his elevation to sainthood. He intended to wander around his garden to help raise a few quid for charity & the media turned it into a frenzy. Not to denigrate his efforts or intentions but the millions raised weren't really his doing.
He took a holiday when he should really have stayed home as per the rest of us ( I'd have done the same) and so the outpouring of sympathy seems excessive to me. At its simplest he's had more than his three score years & ten but "man dies of old age" doesn't sell newspapers.
I agree about the “man dies of old age” narrative- pneumonia or as it is also known as “the old mans friend”
I do not begrudge his holiday although I do find it strange that the media don’t seem to mention it and if it was in his bucket list of things to do, wouldn’t you have thought that maybe he could have gone before? From what I can gather, it doesn’t look if his family is short of a Bob or too.
Drawweight said:
I think someone has got their World Wars sort of mixed up.
Sir Tom would have been 5 when this picture was taken.
paulw123 said:
Just about sums it up really. Don’t begrudge the old boy his holiday because he doesn’t know how many more days he has left. Funnily enough nor do any of us. This is why these enforced restrictions of a large % of the population to ‘protect’ a smaller percentage, many of whom don't even care.
Yep this.We know a bit about Sir Tom, but we don't know anything about the countless other people affected by this. The way some people have been treated has been inhuman. Thankfully he could raise a lot of money and become a national inspiration, rather than locked up in a care home, unable to see his family.
Drawweight said:
I think someone has got their World Wars sort of mixed up.
Sir Tom would have been 5 when this picture was taken.
Captain Sir Thomas Moore was born April 30th, 1920. First World War ended November 11th, 1918. He wasn't even born then
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