CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 17)
Discussion
Bowser87 said:
tigamilla said:
I'm actually glad I have Covid today (double vaxxed), as it legitimately gives me a reason to avoid the booster for a while. I'm also not at all keen on getting boosted when I know three people who have had their boosters have also got Covid as we speak.
Also, where does it end? If we all rush out to get boosters, I can see a fourth jab being pushed next winter or even next spring.
Every 6 months from here!Also, where does it end? If we all rush out to get boosters, I can see a fourth jab being pushed next winter or even next spring.
What worries me is, for the businesses like Pfizer who've essentially had all their research paid for, developed a vaccine they don't even have to sell and doubled their profit year on year. Where do they go from here in the interest of improving year on year. It's beyond in their interest for this to continue. Where do they take this next?
Government playing into their hands at the moment with policy requiring covid passports as well which appears to be intensifying with each passing wave.
blade runner said:
I must be living in an alternative universe today, as I'm listenting to the Radio 2 phone-in at work and the majority of the callers and comments are anti-lockdown, how no-one really trusts the models any more etc. Maybe the tide is actually starting to finally turn (or maybe I'll wake up and it will be back to the normal zero-covid loons getting all the air-time when Jeremy Vine comes back after Xmas).
BBC Radio 2? Are you sure? The call processor/handler will be getting the sack smartish for letting those sorts of calls through. 
Joking apart, that is promising.
LeighW said:
BBC Radio 2? Are you sure? The call processor/handler will be getting the sack smartish for letting those sorts of calls through.
Joking apart, that is promising.
You might be right... funnily enough the final few comments that were read out were back to normal - apparently it's all the fault of the unvaccinated youngsters and people who might care about their granny, but not other peoples. I despair...Joking apart, that is promising.
Fastpedeller said:
I'm getting more sceptical.
History. 'Flu' in dec2019/Jan 2020. I'm 62 and still pretty fit (used to ride 12 hour Cycle time trials c230 miles, could still do over 100 miles in 6 hours, not racing). Had suspicions flu was covid. Shingles Jan 2021. Jabbed March 2021 and May 2021. Have been taking part in ONS study - swabs each month and since May 2021 blood analysis for antibodies. Have had antibodies ever since May, but caught covid sept 4th! I only tested because my Wife had cough Sept 1st and had a +ve PCR test (LFT negative). Myself and Daughter PCR tested 1st Sept (both -ve), and when we got symptoms on 4th Sept, we both tested again (me +ve Daughter -ve). Daughter and Wife had worse symptoms than me, though neither severe. Mine lasted about 4 hours! I couldn't taste English mustard for about a week though
Since the shingles I've struggled with cycling more than 50 miles, and seem to have got worse since jabs. It's all a mystery, but unless I see overwhelming evidence to persuade me, I won't be having more jabs. Self-employed (Have my own Ltd Co - do I have to sack myself?). Daughter works in NHS, and stayed off despite the -ve test because she wasn't well enough to work, and didn't want to risk others as she clearly had something which she wouldn't want to pass on. I fear for her going forward- she believes the narrative thus far (only 23, and not bitter and twisted like myself)
I had a great cycling year in 2020, I took advantage of the quiet roads and did a lot on the trainer as well. 2021 started well but the first jab knocked me out for a few days and I've struggled with motivation and consistency since.History. 'Flu' in dec2019/Jan 2020. I'm 62 and still pretty fit (used to ride 12 hour Cycle time trials c230 miles, could still do over 100 miles in 6 hours, not racing). Had suspicions flu was covid. Shingles Jan 2021. Jabbed March 2021 and May 2021. Have been taking part in ONS study - swabs each month and since May 2021 blood analysis for antibodies. Have had antibodies ever since May, but caught covid sept 4th! I only tested because my Wife had cough Sept 1st and had a +ve PCR test (LFT negative). Myself and Daughter PCR tested 1st Sept (both -ve), and when we got symptoms on 4th Sept, we both tested again (me +ve Daughter -ve). Daughter and Wife had worse symptoms than me, though neither severe. Mine lasted about 4 hours! I couldn't taste English mustard for about a week though
Since the shingles I've struggled with cycling more than 50 miles, and seem to have got worse since jabs. It's all a mystery, but unless I see overwhelming evidence to persuade me, I won't be having more jabs. Self-employed (Have my own Ltd Co - do I have to sack myself?). Daughter works in NHS, and stayed off despite the -ve test because she wasn't well enough to work, and didn't want to risk others as she clearly had something which she wouldn't want to pass on. I fear for her going forward- she believes the narrative thus far (only 23, and not bitter and twisted like myself)
How much was an ongoing physical reaction to the jabs and how much was psychological? I don't know. The constant hassle to get boosted and deciding not to have one is really motivating me for next year though!
Fastpedeller said:
I'm getting more sceptical.
History. 'Flu' in dec2019/Jan 2020. I'm 62 and still pretty fit (used to ride 12 hour Cycle time trials c230 miles, could still do over 100 miles in 6 hours, not racing). Had suspicions flu was covid. Shingles Jan 2021. Jabbed March 2021 and May 2021. Have been taking part in ONS study - swabs each month and since May 2021 blood analysis for antibodies. Have had antibodies ever since May, but caught covid sept 4th! I only tested because my Wife had cough Sept 1st and had a +ve PCR test (LFT negative). Myself and Daughter PCR tested 1st Sept (both -ve), and when we got symptoms on 4th Sept, we both tested again (me +ve Daughter -ve). Daughter and Wife had worse symptoms than me, though neither severe. Mine lasted about 4 hours! I couldn't taste English mustard for about a week though
Since the shingles I've struggled with cycling more than 50 miles, and seem to have got worse since jabs. It's all a mystery, but unless I see overwhelming evidence to persuade me, I won't be having more jabs. Self-employed (Have my own Ltd Co - do I have to sack myself?). Daughter works in NHS, and stayed off despite the -ve test because she wasn't well enough to work, and didn't want to risk others as she clearly had something which she wouldn't want to pass on. I fear for her going forward- she believes the narrative thus far (only 23, and not bitter and twisted like myself)
Ask your doctor for a full set of bloods. History. 'Flu' in dec2019/Jan 2020. I'm 62 and still pretty fit (used to ride 12 hour Cycle time trials c230 miles, could still do over 100 miles in 6 hours, not racing). Had suspicions flu was covid. Shingles Jan 2021. Jabbed March 2021 and May 2021. Have been taking part in ONS study - swabs each month and since May 2021 blood analysis for antibodies. Have had antibodies ever since May, but caught covid sept 4th! I only tested because my Wife had cough Sept 1st and had a +ve PCR test (LFT negative). Myself and Daughter PCR tested 1st Sept (both -ve), and when we got symptoms on 4th Sept, we both tested again (me +ve Daughter -ve). Daughter and Wife had worse symptoms than me, though neither severe. Mine lasted about 4 hours! I couldn't taste English mustard for about a week though
Since the shingles I've struggled with cycling more than 50 miles, and seem to have got worse since jabs. It's all a mystery, but unless I see overwhelming evidence to persuade me, I won't be having more jabs. Self-employed (Have my own Ltd Co - do I have to sack myself?). Daughter works in NHS, and stayed off despite the -ve test because she wasn't well enough to work, and didn't want to risk others as she clearly had something which she wouldn't want to pass on. I fear for her going forward- she believes the narrative thus far (only 23, and not bitter and twisted like myself)
My fitness started declining after my 2nd dose back in July… over 6 weeks I lost c.25% on a 20 min FTP and c.33% of on sessions over 1hr. This, along with a number of other symptoms drove me to the doctors.
Blood tests identified Hashimotos, an auto immune disease affecting my thyroid.
Whilst the condition itself is hereditary and not directly caused by the vaccine, its sudden and relatively serious appearance was almost certainly triggered by it.
Best to get yourself checked out… though I know that can be difficult in the Uk at the moment… l’m lucky enough to live in Spain, where I can just walk in to the doctor’s without an appointment and get tests/diagnosis/treatment within a 2 week period.
frisbee said:
Fastpedeller said:
I'm getting more sceptical.
History. 'Flu' in dec2019/Jan 2020. I'm 62 and still pretty fit (used to ride 12 hour Cycle time trials c230 miles, could still do over 100 miles in 6 hours, not racing). Had suspicions flu was covid. Shingles Jan 2021. Jabbed March 2021 and May 2021. Have been taking part in ONS study - swabs each month and since May 2021 blood analysis for antibodies. Have had antibodies ever since May, but caught covid sept 4th! I only tested because my Wife had cough Sept 1st and had a +ve PCR test (LFT negative). Myself and Daughter PCR tested 1st Sept (both -ve), and when we got symptoms on 4th Sept, we both tested again (me +ve Daughter -ve). Daughter and Wife had worse symptoms than me, though neither severe. Mine lasted about 4 hours! I couldn't taste English mustard for about a week though
Since the shingles I've struggled with cycling more than 50 miles, and seem to have got worse since jabs. It's all a mystery, but unless I see overwhelming evidence to persuade me, I won't be having more jabs. Self-employed (Have my own Ltd Co - do I have to sack myself?). Daughter works in NHS, and stayed off despite the -ve test because she wasn't well enough to work, and didn't want to risk others as she clearly had something which she wouldn't want to pass on. I fear for her going forward- she believes the narrative thus far (only 23, and not bitter and twisted like myself)
I had a great cycling year in 2020, I took advantage of the quiet roads and did a lot on the trainer as well. 2021 started well but the first jab knocked me out for a few days and I've struggled with motivation and consistency since.History. 'Flu' in dec2019/Jan 2020. I'm 62 and still pretty fit (used to ride 12 hour Cycle time trials c230 miles, could still do over 100 miles in 6 hours, not racing). Had suspicions flu was covid. Shingles Jan 2021. Jabbed March 2021 and May 2021. Have been taking part in ONS study - swabs each month and since May 2021 blood analysis for antibodies. Have had antibodies ever since May, but caught covid sept 4th! I only tested because my Wife had cough Sept 1st and had a +ve PCR test (LFT negative). Myself and Daughter PCR tested 1st Sept (both -ve), and when we got symptoms on 4th Sept, we both tested again (me +ve Daughter -ve). Daughter and Wife had worse symptoms than me, though neither severe. Mine lasted about 4 hours! I couldn't taste English mustard for about a week though
Since the shingles I've struggled with cycling more than 50 miles, and seem to have got worse since jabs. It's all a mystery, but unless I see overwhelming evidence to persuade me, I won't be having more jabs. Self-employed (Have my own Ltd Co - do I have to sack myself?). Daughter works in NHS, and stayed off despite the -ve test because she wasn't well enough to work, and didn't want to risk others as she clearly had something which she wouldn't want to pass on. I fear for her going forward- she believes the narrative thus far (only 23, and not bitter and twisted like myself)
How much was an ongoing physical reaction to the jabs and how much was psychological? I don't know. The constant hassle to get boosted and deciding not to have one is really motivating me for next year though!
I cannot ride on roads. But trails, mud, trees and mates, have kept me just the right side of sane most of the time. And possibly the odd beer or two.
From the previous thread:
If more people are testing positive, more people will be entering hospital, or dying, for any reason *with* it.
Given how much more transmissible this variant is meant to be it will spread around the hospital easily resulting in far more patients *with* it.
That is completely ignoring any symptoms of covid but still gives the opportunity to make some scary statistics of percentage of people in hospital *with* it.
Even though most people recover from it in a few days, or don't even realise they have it, statistics are still taken from 'within 28 days' which just makes the numbers bigger.
scottyp123 said:
Can someone explain this half a deadly but twice as transmittable thing to me.
If the old rona spreads to 100,000 people in a week and cause's severe breathing problems it might put 1000 people in hospital and kill 100.
But if the new rona spreads to 200,000 people in a week but only causes a cough, runny nose and a headache, that isn't 1000 people still in hospital and 100 people still dead, its 0 in hospital and 0 dead.
Where am I going wrong.
Other than the difference in exponential growth others mentioned, I think it's others getting it wrong. It's a problem because WITH covid, and OF covid mean very different things but keep getting mixed up.If the old rona spreads to 100,000 people in a week and cause's severe breathing problems it might put 1000 people in hospital and kill 100.
But if the new rona spreads to 200,000 people in a week but only causes a cough, runny nose and a headache, that isn't 1000 people still in hospital and 100 people still dead, its 0 in hospital and 0 dead.
Where am I going wrong.
If more people are testing positive, more people will be entering hospital, or dying, for any reason *with* it.
Given how much more transmissible this variant is meant to be it will spread around the hospital easily resulting in far more patients *with* it.
That is completely ignoring any symptoms of covid but still gives the opportunity to make some scary statistics of percentage of people in hospital *with* it.
Even though most people recover from it in a few days, or don't even realise they have it, statistics are still taken from 'within 28 days' which just makes the numbers bigger.
Chris Stott said:
Fastpedeller said:
I'm getting more sceptical.
History. 'Flu' in dec2019/Jan 2020. I'm 62 and still pretty fit (used to ride 12 hour Cycle time trials c230 miles, could still do over 100 miles in 6 hours, not racing). Had suspicions flu was covid. Shingles Jan 2021. Jabbed March 2021 and May 2021. Have been taking part in ONS study - swabs each month and since May 2021 blood analysis for antibodies. Have had antibodies ever since May, but caught covid sept 4th! I only tested because my Wife had cough Sept 1st and had a +ve PCR test (LFT negative). Myself and Daughter PCR tested 1st Sept (both -ve), and when we got symptoms on 4th Sept, we both tested again (me +ve Daughter -ve). Daughter and Wife had worse symptoms than me, though neither severe. Mine lasted about 4 hours! I couldn't taste English mustard for about a week though
Since the shingles I've struggled with cycling more than 50 miles, and seem to have got worse since jabs. It's all a mystery, but unless I see overwhelming evidence to persuade me, I won't be having more jabs. Self-employed (Have my own Ltd Co - do I have to sack myself?). Daughter works in NHS, and stayed off despite the -ve test because she wasn't well enough to work, and didn't want to risk others as she clearly had something which she wouldn't want to pass on. I fear for her going forward- she believes the narrative thus far (only 23, and not bitter and twisted like myself)
Ask your doctor for a full set of bloods. History. 'Flu' in dec2019/Jan 2020. I'm 62 and still pretty fit (used to ride 12 hour Cycle time trials c230 miles, could still do over 100 miles in 6 hours, not racing). Had suspicions flu was covid. Shingles Jan 2021. Jabbed March 2021 and May 2021. Have been taking part in ONS study - swabs each month and since May 2021 blood analysis for antibodies. Have had antibodies ever since May, but caught covid sept 4th! I only tested because my Wife had cough Sept 1st and had a +ve PCR test (LFT negative). Myself and Daughter PCR tested 1st Sept (both -ve), and when we got symptoms on 4th Sept, we both tested again (me +ve Daughter -ve). Daughter and Wife had worse symptoms than me, though neither severe. Mine lasted about 4 hours! I couldn't taste English mustard for about a week though
Since the shingles I've struggled with cycling more than 50 miles, and seem to have got worse since jabs. It's all a mystery, but unless I see overwhelming evidence to persuade me, I won't be having more jabs. Self-employed (Have my own Ltd Co - do I have to sack myself?). Daughter works in NHS, and stayed off despite the -ve test because she wasn't well enough to work, and didn't want to risk others as she clearly had something which she wouldn't want to pass on. I fear for her going forward- she believes the narrative thus far (only 23, and not bitter and twisted like myself)
My fitness started declining after my 2nd dose back in July… over 6 weeks I lost c.25% on a 20 min FTP and c.33% of on sessions over 1hr. This, along with a number of other symptoms drove me to the doctors.
Blood tests identified Hashimotos, an auto immune disease affecting my thyroid.
Whilst the condition itself is hereditary and not directly caused by the vaccine, its sudden and relatively serious appearance was almost certainly triggered by it.
Best to get yourself checked out… though I know that can be difficult in the Uk at the moment… l’m lucky enough to live in Spain, where I can just walk in to the doctor’s without an appointment and get tests/diagnosis/treatment within a 2 week period.
Chris Stott said:
Ask your doctor for a full set of bloods.
My fitness started declining after my 2nd dose back in July… over 6 weeks I lost c.25% on a 20 min FTP and c.33% of on sessions over 1hr. This, along with a number of other symptoms drove me to the doctors.
Blood tests identified Hashimotos, an auto immune disease affecting my thyroid.
Whilst the condition itself is hereditary and not directly caused by the vaccine, its sudden and relatively serious appearance was almost certainly triggered by it.
Best to get yourself checked out… though I know that can be difficult in the Uk at the moment… l’m lucky enough to live in Spain, where I can just walk in to the doctor’s without an appointment and get tests/diagnosis/treatment within a 2 week period.
100% this. My fitness started declining after my 2nd dose back in July… over 6 weeks I lost c.25% on a 20 min FTP and c.33% of on sessions over 1hr. This, along with a number of other symptoms drove me to the doctors.
Blood tests identified Hashimotos, an auto immune disease affecting my thyroid.
Whilst the condition itself is hereditary and not directly caused by the vaccine, its sudden and relatively serious appearance was almost certainly triggered by it.
Best to get yourself checked out… though I know that can be difficult in the Uk at the moment… l’m lucky enough to live in Spain, where I can just walk in to the doctor’s without an appointment and get tests/diagnosis/treatment within a 2 week period.
Friend of mine was the same, I got him to have bloods and he was showing mild clotting. He was give anticoagulants and was feeling much better in a week or so.
richardxjr said:
And of course ... Traffic is still much more likely to get you!
I cannot ride on roads. But trails, mud, trees and mates, have kept me just the right side of sane most of the time. And possibly the odd beer or two.
On the one gravel ride I did this year I crashed 2 feet into the first bit of gravel!I cannot ride on roads. But trails, mud, trees and mates, have kept me just the right side of sane most of the time. And possibly the odd beer or two.
there's no doubt the narrative is turning, at least now basic questions are being asked of ministers.
On 5Live this morning, there was guest, professor of Biology Mathematics IIRC, I'm sure his name was Kip. I was driving but i'm sure he was a modeller for sage. Obviously his doomsday predictions were miles out but the odd thing was he couldn't come up with a single set of measures that if enacted now would actually make a difference, when pushed he got political, blaming the current Government of acting too slow. Just thought it odd that someone in that position would take a Political instead of a scientific stance.
Also TalkRadio took a call from a Sheffield Restauranteur (Thai Restaurant) who in all fairness laid out the current situation with surprising calm and emotion, he really put the human element right into the faces of those who clamour for lockdown.
On 5Live this morning, there was guest, professor of Biology Mathematics IIRC, I'm sure his name was Kip. I was driving but i'm sure he was a modeller for sage. Obviously his doomsday predictions were miles out but the odd thing was he couldn't come up with a single set of measures that if enacted now would actually make a difference, when pushed he got political, blaming the current Government of acting too slow. Just thought it odd that someone in that position would take a Political instead of a scientific stance.
Also TalkRadio took a call from a Sheffield Restauranteur (Thai Restaurant) who in all fairness laid out the current situation with surprising calm and emotion, he really put the human element right into the faces of those who clamour for lockdown.
As some have said, this is the fastest-growing thread on PH. If it keeps doubling every minute I won't be able to read the thread quickly enough and will become overwhelmed! What can I do about this.... Hmm I'll need to ignore it. But then there will only be covid in 'my other news'. have to stick with it then
LazyMechanic said:
Chris Stott said:
Ask your doctor for a full set of bloods.
My fitness started declining after my 2nd dose back in July… over 6 weeks I lost c.25% on a 20 min FTP and c.33% of on sessions over 1hr. This, along with a number of other symptoms drove me to the doctors.
Blood tests identified Hashimotos, an auto immune disease affecting my thyroid.
Whilst the condition itself is hereditary and not directly caused by the vaccine, its sudden and relatively serious appearance was almost certainly triggered by it.
Best to get yourself checked out… though I know that can be difficult in the Uk at the moment… l’m lucky enough to live in Spain, where I can just walk in to the doctor’s without an appointment and get tests/diagnosis/treatment within a 2 week period.
100% this. My fitness started declining after my 2nd dose back in July… over 6 weeks I lost c.25% on a 20 min FTP and c.33% of on sessions over 1hr. This, along with a number of other symptoms drove me to the doctors.
Blood tests identified Hashimotos, an auto immune disease affecting my thyroid.
Whilst the condition itself is hereditary and not directly caused by the vaccine, its sudden and relatively serious appearance was almost certainly triggered by it.
Best to get yourself checked out… though I know that can be difficult in the Uk at the moment… l’m lucky enough to live in Spain, where I can just walk in to the doctor’s without an appointment and get tests/diagnosis/treatment within a 2 week period.
Friend of mine was the same, I got him to have bloods and he was showing mild clotting. He was give anticoagulants and was feeling much better in a week or so.
Typical that it happened right after I was getting on with couch to 5K and finally doing some regular exercise for once, only been out twice since September, between the near constant colds, and both times it absolutely f
ked me. Booster? No thanks, only got the first two because my parents constant going on about it was really getting to me, not this time though, think they’re getting fed up as well.
LazyMechanic said:
Well, the LFT and PCR can pick up vial load, unless the PCR is sent off for further analysis it could be covid, flu or a heavy cold, or remenents of previous infection, less than 1% of tests are sent away to find out what it really is the person has.
To be fair it doesn't really matter, there was a very bad flu in Australia in mid 2019, it hit the respiratory system hard, and many who have died of covid could well have had this flu, just a harmful as covid, so doesn't really matter either way.
But it is about narrative, and narrative says CV19 is lethal, far more dangerous than flu, but is it? And why does it matter?
It matters because of mindset. If we had said we are going to have a bad flu year, it is a new strain of flu that hits the respiratory system hard, would people have paid much attention, would people have closed their businesses, would we have allowed them to control us like this, would people be scared?
I don't know? No one knows, but I think most would have looked at it very differently.
What we do know, is many who have been told they have Covid and had samples sent away, when they have been reinfected and their positive sample is sent away to be analysed properly they have not got Covid. So far, not one sample, worldwide, has come back positive from someone who has already been 100% confirmed as having Covid previously.
People think they have had it twice, but that is due to thinking everything is Covid now and using poor tests.
More made up stories To be fair it doesn't really matter, there was a very bad flu in Australia in mid 2019, it hit the respiratory system hard, and many who have died of covid could well have had this flu, just a harmful as covid, so doesn't really matter either way.
But it is about narrative, and narrative says CV19 is lethal, far more dangerous than flu, but is it? And why does it matter?
It matters because of mindset. If we had said we are going to have a bad flu year, it is a new strain of flu that hits the respiratory system hard, would people have paid much attention, would people have closed their businesses, would we have allowed them to control us like this, would people be scared?
I don't know? No one knows, but I think most would have looked at it very differently.
What we do know, is many who have been told they have Covid and had samples sent away, when they have been reinfected and their positive sample is sent away to be analysed properly they have not got Covid. So far, not one sample, worldwide, has come back positive from someone who has already been 100% confirmed as having Covid previously.
People think they have had it twice, but that is due to thinking everything is Covid now and using poor tests.
Edited by LazyMechanic on Monday 20th December 12:29
Reminds me, I got an email from my LOVELY member of parliament with a weaselly worded line which I have asked for clarification on
"I welcome the Government’s ambition to booster jab all adults by the end of this month; and this is key for us to get beyond the virus."
Then I've asked why valuable resources in our district hospital are being taken to open up walk in vax centres on site, at it's most vulnerable seasonal point of almost collapse in dealing with our very aged population here.
"I welcome the Government’s ambition to booster jab all adults by the end of this month; and this is key for us to get beyond the virus."
Then I've asked why valuable resources in our district hospital are being taken to open up walk in vax centres on site, at it's most vulnerable seasonal point of almost collapse in dealing with our very aged population here.
M47 said:
LM I believe it was you who posted on the previous thread about this, describing a set of symptoms identical to what I’ve had since my second jab in September (fatigue, struggling to sleep, random pain, random headaches etc). Just wanted to thank you because it prompted me to get hold of my GP, expecting a call back tomorrow. Could be something else (would mild clotting for 3 months have killed me by now? Dunno) but hoping to get an answer at least.
Typical that it happened right after I was getting on with couch to 5K and finally doing some regular exercise for once, only been out twice since September, between the near constant colds, and both times it absolutely fked me.
Booster? No thanks, only got the first two because my parents constant going on about it was really getting to me, not this time though, think they’re getting fed up as well.
They are all symptoms I had/have, amongst others. Typical that it happened right after I was getting on with couch to 5K and finally doing some regular exercise for once, only been out twice since September, between the near constant colds, and both times it absolutely f
ked me. Booster? No thanks, only got the first two because my parents constant going on about it was really getting to me, not this time though, think they’re getting fed up as well.
Doubt clotting as that’s has a more acute outcome. Check the TSH levels were n your blood test.
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