Another dog attack
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Venisonpie said:
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83 year old lady
What could possibly go wrong?
kevinon said:
I like dogs and hope to have one if I leave Central London.
But an owner who can't get their dog to come back, on command, is not a responsible owner surely?
Or have I missed something?
What you've missed is recall is not a command, it's an offer of an alternative.But an owner who can't get their dog to come back, on command, is not a responsible owner surely?
Or have I missed something?
Recall isn't simple. I'm training a spaniel at the moment.
I think of it a radius of control. Within a certain distance stopping and recalling is fairly straightforward. Beyond a certain distance and in the presence of distractions it becomes more difficult.
You can only proof recall by being sure the reward for recall is greater than the temptation not to and progressing carefully. Easy to say - hard to do.
oddman said:
What you've missed is recall is not a command, it's an offer of an alternative.
Recall isn't simple. I'm training a spaniel at the moment.
I think of it a radius of control. Within a certain distance stopping and recalling is fairly straightforward. Beyond a certain distance and in the presence of distractions it becomes more difficult.
You can only proof recall by being sure the reward for recall is greater than the temptation not to and progressing carefully. Easy to say - hard to do.
You’re not training a spaniel, it’s training you Recall isn't simple. I'm training a spaniel at the moment.
I think of it a radius of control. Within a certain distance stopping and recalling is fairly straightforward. Beyond a certain distance and in the presence of distractions it becomes more difficult.
You can only proof recall by being sure the reward for recall is greater than the temptation not to and progressing carefully. Easy to say - hard to do.
LordHaveMurci said:
oddman said:
What you've missed is recall is not a command, it's an offer of an alternative.
Recall isn't simple. I'm training a spaniel at the moment.
I think of it a radius of control. Within a certain distance stopping and recalling is fairly straightforward. Beyond a certain distance and in the presence of distractions it becomes more difficult.
You can only proof recall by being sure the reward for recall is greater than the temptation not to and progressing carefully. Easy to say - hard to do.
You’re not training a spaniel, it’s training you Recall isn't simple. I'm training a spaniel at the moment.
I think of it a radius of control. Within a certain distance stopping and recalling is fairly straightforward. Beyond a certain distance and in the presence of distractions it becomes more difficult.
You can only proof recall by being sure the reward for recall is greater than the temptation not to and progressing carefully. Easy to say - hard to do.
kevinon said:
I like dogs and hope to have one if I leave Central London.
But an owner who can't get their dog to come back, on command, is not a responsible owner surely?
Or have I missed something?
It depends on the situation as well I think.But an owner who can't get their dog to come back, on command, is not a responsible owner surely?
Or have I missed something?
We adopted Barney a couple of months ago so despite him being a year and a half we don't have recall so he stays on the lead unless we go to a fenced off area of the field with a narrow entrance and there's no-one else in there or the other (only dog owners go in there!) dog owner(s) are fine with him coming off his lead.
We're using that area to teach him recall.
oddman said:
kevinon said:
I like dogs and hope to have one if I leave Central London.
But an owner who can't get their dog to come back, on command, is not a responsible owner surely?
Or have I missed something?
What you've missed is recall is not a command, it's an offer of an alternative.But an owner who can't get their dog to come back, on command, is not a responsible owner surely?
Or have I missed something?
Boosted LS1 said:
oddman said:
kevinon said:
I like dogs and hope to have one if I leave Central London.
But an owner who can't get their dog to come back, on command, is not a responsible owner surely?
Or have I missed something?
What you've missed is recall is not a command, it's an offer of an alternative.But an owner who can't get their dog to come back, on command, is not a responsible owner surely?
Or have I missed something?
If you click on that video, I don't think my dog is recalling because I commanded it. I don't think you can get the sound on thumbsnap but there's a triple pip on the whistle to recall and single pip to (sort of) sit him at the end.Problem with commands is if the dog finds out they can ignore them you have nothing. Hunting/Chasing stuff or playing with other dogs will almost always be more attractive than what I might have in my pocket
In basic training you are trying, in fairly controlled circumstances, to wire them to associate recall with a reward ie. make it the best choice available and repeating this until the dog will 'obey' automatically. Once a dog has been conditioned this way then you can continue to build/prove recall in more distracting circumstances. I have several ways of recalling. Voice, whistle and gesture plus a few games which will induce a recall. This has been built up through months of relentless daily practice. To labour the point, when I sent a mate that video, both his dogs sat when they heard the sit whistle. That's not a command. It's a signal or a stimulus and the animal has been conditioned to respond.
I need my dogs to work in and around stock; to flush game but not chase; to retrieve game only when I ask; to catch runners. A soot day would be chaos without solid stop and recall.
Boosted LS1 said:
Spaniels are nut jobs. That said a guy here has a small enclosed field with pheasants and hiding places. His dog recalls and chases on command. The birds never get hurt as far as I know. He trains the dog for competition of some sort. Seems to be a very serious sort.
Spaniels are definitely crackers, but are eminently trainable, look at the number of sniffer dogs that are spaniels, and although spaniels can bite, have you ever heard of a dog attack, let alone a fatal dog attack by a spaniel?Some breeds are just unsuited in most cases to modern society. I've got a "devil dog" but thanks to his breeding, he wouldn't hurt a fly unless he stood on it, would I let him out in a crowd? Never, because even I can't stop his happy foolish rampage of fun. So, some people are unsuited to some dogs, and some dogs are unsuited to some social situations such as families or neighbours.
Anyway, despite the claims of no bad dog, some are not suited to modern society, where "can you look after my dog" questions get asked too often. Had a case of a pit bull type this week biting a juvenile, and could i put it down? Maybe fortuitously, it was taken to a place of zero kids, and so escaped termination, but I hope those involved are awake 24/7 to the "potentail" risk.
Dogs are never 100% bomb proof, human madness ensures that.
As my retirement approaches, I think I might fancy a springer to accompany me on hill walks, our last one was a loon who kept running until the last month or so of her life.
Another one, fatality and injury.
Dog attack: One woman dead and another injured in Surrey https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-64254...
Dog attack: One woman dead and another injured in Surrey https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-64254...
dhutch said:
Tragic.
However, can I ask for a refresh in the number of road fatalities and injuries compaired to that of dogs?
What has that got to do with the topic of "another dog attack" ? Besides, why not google it if you're curious.However, can I ask for a refresh in the number of road fatalities and injuries compaired to that of dogs?
Its tragi-funny how people come into this thread with pictures of their pets, or asking about road fatalities, as if its some sort of mitigation or perhaps defence of dangerous dogs? Is it to highlight that other bad things happen, or that dogs can be nice as well as a bit mauley? Dogs are not all the same temperament, so i don't see what posting pics of pets has to do with anything, though sadly i do think a minority will end up spoiling it for the majority, eventually.
Edit to add its surprising to see someone in their 20's killed. Has any info been released on the type of dog yet? I haven't found anything.
What a horrendous way to go getting mauled by a f
king dog.
Seems to be way more unruly dogs knocking about now in my experience, I went to the beach last weekend and the amount of out of control dogs was surprising. Lots of fighting and owners screaming from 100 yards away, dogs taking no notice.
Probably a symptom of all the lockdown puppies, who knows.
king dog.Seems to be way more unruly dogs knocking about now in my experience, I went to the beach last weekend and the amount of out of control dogs was surprising. Lots of fighting and owners screaming from 100 yards away, dogs taking no notice.
Probably a symptom of all the lockdown puppies, who knows.
Gary29 said:
Probably a symptom of all the lockdown puppies, who knows.
They were saying on the radio this morning that dog attacks have risen in the past year or 2, there are many more dogs out there now so no wonder TBH.Regarding this attack, I believe a number of dogs in relation to this attack have been seized, given the area of the attack I wonder if it was a case of a walker, legally going through a farm or area of a dwelling with dogs roaming free, we encounter similar sometimes on our long walks in the country side.
eldar said:
Another one, fatality and injury.
Dog attack: One woman dead and another injured in Surrey https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-64254...
"Officers were called to Caterham, Surrey at about 14:25 GMT to a dog attacking members of the public." ...Dog attack: One woman dead and another injured in Surrey https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-64254...
"Surrey Police said armed officers attended the Gravelly Hill area and seized seven dogs in total."
Tyre Tread said:
"Officers were called to Caterham, Surrey at about 14:25 GMT to a dog attacking members of the public." ...
"Surrey Police said armed officers attended the Gravelly Hill area and seized seven dogs in total."
Possibly a dog walker with 7 dogs, one of them goes into maul-mode and kills the walker, thereby leaving 1 murder dog and 6 unattended and hence all have to be seized?"Surrey Police said armed officers attended the Gravelly Hill area and seized seven dogs in total."
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