UK file-sharers will be 'cut off'

[Frankeh]

Mr E said:

hewlett said:

Does anyone know what the status of this law is, has it been passed?

Passed with the orphaned works bit removed. There were significant complaints that it didn't get enough time to be discussed fully, but it passed anyway.

DEMOCRACY! F*CK YEAH!

[st_files]

Parrot of Doom said:

The bill has been passed, I don't know the ins and outs but if her Maj puts her signature on it, its then a law.

Not that it makes the slightest bit of difference, one can just hire a Russian seedbox and continue pirating.

http://www.seedhost.net/members/index.php

Forgive my ignorance, but whats a seedhost/box?

[Blue Meanie]

st_files said:

Parrot of Doom said:

The bill has been passed, I don't know the ins and outs but if her Maj puts her signature on it, its then a law.

Not that it makes the slightest bit of difference, one can just hire a Russian seedbox and continue pirating.

http://www.seedhost.net/members/index.php

Forgive my ignorance, but whats a seedhost/box?

It's basically an offsite location, with very good speed, in which to download your torrents, etc, to. Then, when it is done, you can download the full item to your comp.

[st_files]

Blue Meanie said:

st_files said:

Parrot of Doom said:

The bill has been passed, I don't know the ins and outs but if her Maj puts her signature on it, its then a law.

Not that it makes the slightest bit of difference, one can just hire a Russian seedbox and continue pirating.

http://www.seedhost.net/members/index.php

Forgive my ignorance, but whats a seedhost/box?

It's basically an offsite location, with very good speed, in which to download your torrents, etc, to. Then, when it is done, you can download the full item to your comp.

But if you still have to download from an external site wont that be seen by your ISP?

[Frankeh]

st_files said:

Blue Meanie said:

st_files said:

Parrot of Doom said:

The bill has been passed, I don't know the ins and outs but if her Maj puts her signature on it, its then a law.

Not that it makes the slightest bit of difference, one can just hire a Russian seedbox and continue pirating.

http://www.seedhost.net/members/index.php

Forgive my ignorance, but whats a seedhost/box?

It's basically an offsite location, with very good speed, in which to download your torrents, etc, to. Then, when it is done, you can download the full item to your comp.

But if you still have to download from an external site wont that be seen by your ISP?

Downloading is not against the law. Uploading is.
When you use P2P software you download AND upload. It's the upload part that they get you with. You're sharing copyrighted material.

[Mr E]

Frankeh said:

Downloading is not against the law. Uploading is.
When you use P2P software you download AND upload. It's the upload part that they get you with. You're sharing copyrighted material.

Erm. Where did you get that nugget from?

[Sheets Tabuer]

Do people still use P2P/ I thought everyone used SSL newsgroups so no bugger can see what you are up to.

[st_files]

Some people.....ahem...still use Vuse.....

[Frankeh]

Mr E said:

Frankeh said:

Downloading is not against the law. Uploading is.
When you use P2P software you download AND upload. It's the upload part that they get you with. You're sharing copyrighted material.

Erm. Where did you get that nugget from?

Well it isn't stealing, since you haven't taken anything from anyone. No laws are broken.
However when you upload you're illegally distributing copyrighted material.

Downloaders really get sued because they're using P2P programs. This actually makes them uploaders as well.

[Blue Meanie]

Frankeh said:

Mr E said:

Frankeh said:

Downloading is not against the law. Uploading is.
When you use P2P software you download AND upload. It's the upload part that they get you with. You're sharing copyrighted material.

Erm. Where did you get that nugget from?

Well it isn't stealing, since you haven't taken anything from anyone. No laws are broken.
However when you upload you're illegally distributing copyrighted material.

Downloaders really get sued because they're using P2P programs. This actually makes them uploaders as well.

Some people set the upload rate to zero, thus negating any upload at all.

[Frankeh]

Blue Meanie said:

Frankeh said:

Mr E said:

Frankeh said:

Downloading is not against the law. Uploading is.
When you use P2P software you download AND upload. It's the upload part that they get you with. You're sharing copyrighted material.

Erm. Where did you get that nugget from?

Well it isn't stealing, since you haven't taken anything from anyone. No laws are broken.
However when you upload you're illegally distributing copyrighted material.

Downloaders really get sued because they're using P2P programs. This actually makes them uploaders as well.

Some people set the upload rate to zero, thus negating any upload at all.

I believe zero indicates unlimited in all torrent clients which makes it impossible not to share.

[st_files]

Frankeh said:

Mr E said:

Frankeh said:

Downloading is not against the law. Uploading is.
When you use P2P software you download AND upload. It's the upload part that they get you with. You're sharing copyrighted material.

Erm. Where did you get that nugget from?

Well it isn't stealing, since you haven't taken anything from anyone. No laws are broken.
However when you upload you're illegally distributing copyrighted material.

Downloaders really get sued because they're using P2P programs. This actually makes them uploaders as well.

That cant be right....so everyone in the UK stops uploading, the rest of the planet continues and we all actually end up downloading more efficiently with no uploading to do!

[Frankeh]

st_files said:

Frankeh said:

Mr E said:

Frankeh said:

Downloading is not against the law. Uploading is.
When you use P2P software you download AND upload. It's the upload part that they get you with. You're sharing copyrighted material.

Erm. Where did you get that nugget from?

Well it isn't stealing, since you haven't taken anything from anyone. No laws are broken.
However when you upload you're illegally distributing copyrighted material.

Downloaders really get sued because they're using P2P programs. This actually makes them uploaders as well.

That cant be right....so everyone in the UK stops uploading, the rest of the planet continues and we all actually end up downloading more efficiently with no uploading to do!

That's not the way P2P works though. You give a bit, you get a bit.
If everyone stopped uploading it would slow to a crawl.

[Blue Meanie]

Frankeh said:

Blue Meanie said:

Frankeh said:

Mr E said:

Frankeh said:

Downloading is not against the law. Uploading is.
When you use P2P software you download AND upload. It's the upload part that they get you with. You're sharing copyrighted material.

Erm. Where did you get that nugget from?

Well it isn't stealing, since you haven't taken anything from anyone. No laws are broken.
However when you upload you're illegally distributing copyrighted material.

Downloaders really get sued because they're using P2P programs. This actually makes them uploaders as well.

Some people set the upload rate to zero, thus negating any upload at all.

I believe zero indicates unlimited in all torrent clients which makes it impossible not to share.

Not with transmission. I tried t. Upload is zero when you specify zero.

Edited by Blue Meanie on Thursday 15th April 15:44

[Frankeh]

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/09/p2...

Woops. Looks like I'm talking st.

[Gnits]

Here are some thoughts I had:
If I download a film but don't watch it and did not share it and then delete it did I commit an infringement?
Isn't it effectively the same as picking up a DVD in a shop and then putting it down again?
The only difference I see is that when I download the film I had to pay the ISP!

If I record a film on Sky and then delete it and then download the same film but I set my P2P to not share files did I commit an infringment? If so, how?

To those who say that it is threatening the businesses I presume you also are totally against systems such as Steam and buying any goods over the internet? Think of all those shop keepers who are being deprived of their money!

In the 80's we were told 'home-taping is killing music' and then in the 90's we saw Cribs and realised they LIED!

[Blue Meanie]

[Dracoro]

Gnits said:

Here are some thoughts I had:
If I download a film but don't watch it and did not share it and then delete it did I commit an infringement?
Isn't it effectively the same as picking up a DVD in a shop and then putting it down again?

Not quite, it's "supposedly" the equivalent of stealing a DVD from a shop, taking it home, not watching it then returning it back to the DVD shop. Even though you returned it, you still stole it in the first place.

Anyway, all a moot point as one is copyright infringement, the other physical theft.

[cs02rm0]

Frankeh said:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/09/p2...

Woops. Looks like I'm talking st.

Yes. That article seems to relate to the US and Canada so far as I could see, but equally it's against copyright law in the UK to download copyrighted material. Not theft, but not something you're free to do regardless.

On a side note, P2P does not imply you have to upload. P2P implies that a central server may not be required, instead clients or peers in this case can share directly with each other. Some specific P2P protocols do mandate uploading, but by no means all.

[Frankeh]

Gnits said:

Here are some thoughts I had:
If I download a film but don't watch it and did not share it and then delete it did I commit an infringement?
Isn't it effectively the same as picking up a DVD in a shop and then putting it down again?
The only difference I see is that when I download the film I had to pay the ISP!

If I record a film on Sky and then delete it and then download the same film but I set my P2P to not share files did I commit an infringment? If so, how?

To those who say that it is threatening the businesses I presume you also are totally against systems such as Steam and buying any goods over the internet? Think of all those shop keepers who are being deprived of their money!

In the 80's we were told 'home-taping is killing music' and then in the 90's we saw Cribs and realised they LIED!

If they can't adapt, then they will die. Survival of the fittest is not just an evolutionary trait.

The record industry is currently like a fish.
A fish that when it sees its friends climbing onto land, kills them.