Has Cameron blown it?
Discussion
There was a lovely interview with an octogenarian Liverpudlian lady on BBC R4 Saturday morning..always been active in local politices..but not going to vote this time...not out of apathy or laziness (unlike most of this particular part of Liverpool)..but rather because "none of them deserve MY vote"
Bing o said:
968 said:
V8mate said:
Because I refuse to follow the crowd?
FYIWDWYTM.
Follow the crowd? Or perhaps partake in the political process to try and change things?FYIWDWYTM.
F i F said:
We might as well sink to a Big Bang Theory contest.
Sheldon said:
Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors.
"Spock, spock"
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t....I find Cameron exasperating! The way this country has been run into the ground (and still grinding its people further), I want to see genuine anger and conviction, especially from a Conservative leader. What do I see instead? The complete opposite. It seems he is trying to please all of the people all of the time, and in doing so, alienating just about every demographic!
It would be nice to see a politician who has genuine conviction and stick to their guns, no matter what. If they have to rely on advisors and spin doctors to tell them how to dress, think and say, then they are soulless empty vassals to the faceless quangos. I absolutely despised Thatcher at the time, but at least, with the benefit of hindsight, she believed both in herself and her country – I don’t get that ‘vibe’ from any of them now, I feel they are in it for themselves, not for the greater good of the UK.
It is heartbreaking to watch and hear what’s going on, and I dearly wish I could vote Tory safe in the knowledge that they will turn the country around, no matter how painful it may be – but based on what I have witnessed thus far, not only will they carry on as a newer version of Blair’s government, but they may not even get elected!
Taking into consideration the very sad and dire state of affairs the country is in, this is truly shocking!
It would be nice to see a politician who has genuine conviction and stick to their guns, no matter what. If they have to rely on advisors and spin doctors to tell them how to dress, think and say, then they are soulless empty vassals to the faceless quangos. I absolutely despised Thatcher at the time, but at least, with the benefit of hindsight, she believed both in herself and her country – I don’t get that ‘vibe’ from any of them now, I feel they are in it for themselves, not for the greater good of the UK.
It is heartbreaking to watch and hear what’s going on, and I dearly wish I could vote Tory safe in the knowledge that they will turn the country around, no matter how painful it may be – but based on what I have witnessed thus far, not only will they carry on as a newer version of Blair’s government, but they may not even get elected!
Taking into consideration the very sad and dire state of affairs the country is in, this is truly shocking!
chris watton said:
I find Cameron exasperating! The way this country has been run into the ground (and still grinding its people further), I want to see genuine anger and conviction, especially from a Conservative leader. What do I see instead? The complete opposite. It seems he is trying to please all of the people all of the time, and in doing so, alienating just about every demographic!
It would be nice to see a politician who has genuine conviction and stick to their guns, no matter what. If they have to rely on advisors and spin doctors to tell them how to dress, think and say, then they are soulless empty vassals to the faceless quangos. I absolutely despised Thatcher at the time, but at least, with the benefit of hindsight, she believed both in herself and her country – I don’t get that ‘vibe’ from any of them now, I feel they are in it for themselves, not for the greater good of the UK.
It is heartbreaking to watch and hear what’s going on, and I dearly wish I could vote Tory safe in the knowledge that they will turn the country around, no matter how painful it may be – but based on what I have witnessed thus far, not only will they carry on as a newer version of Blair’s government, but they may not even get elected!
Taking into consideration the very sad and dire state of affairs the country is in, this is truly shocking!
Amen.It would be nice to see a politician who has genuine conviction and stick to their guns, no matter what. If they have to rely on advisors and spin doctors to tell them how to dress, think and say, then they are soulless empty vassals to the faceless quangos. I absolutely despised Thatcher at the time, but at least, with the benefit of hindsight, she believed both in herself and her country – I don’t get that ‘vibe’ from any of them now, I feel they are in it for themselves, not for the greater good of the UK.
It is heartbreaking to watch and hear what’s going on, and I dearly wish I could vote Tory safe in the knowledge that they will turn the country around, no matter how painful it may be – but based on what I have witnessed thus far, not only will they carry on as a newer version of Blair’s government, but they may not even get elected!
Taking into consideration the very sad and dire state of affairs the country is in, this is truly shocking!
Not one Tory policy is driven by clear values. A direct reflection on the 'keep everyone happy' leader.
V8mate said:
chris watton said:
I find Cameron exasperating! The way this country has been run into the ground (and still grinding its people further), I want to see genuine anger and conviction, especially from a Conservative leader. What do I see instead? The complete opposite. It seems he is trying to please all of the people all of the time, and in doing so, alienating just about every demographic!
It would be nice to see a politician who has genuine conviction and stick to their guns, no matter what. If they have to rely on advisors and spin doctors to tell them how to dress, think and say, then they are soulless empty vassals to the faceless quangos. I absolutely despised Thatcher at the time, but at least, with the benefit of hindsight, she believed both in herself and her country – I don’t get that ‘vibe’ from any of them now, I feel they are in it for themselves, not for the greater good of the UK.
It is heartbreaking to watch and hear what’s going on, and I dearly wish I could vote Tory safe in the knowledge that they will turn the country around, no matter how painful it may be – but based on what I have witnessed thus far, not only will they carry on as a newer version of Blair’s government, but they may not even get elected!
Taking into consideration the very sad and dire state of affairs the country is in, this is truly shocking!
Amen.It would be nice to see a politician who has genuine conviction and stick to their guns, no matter what. If they have to rely on advisors and spin doctors to tell them how to dress, think and say, then they are soulless empty vassals to the faceless quangos. I absolutely despised Thatcher at the time, but at least, with the benefit of hindsight, she believed both in herself and her country – I don’t get that ‘vibe’ from any of them now, I feel they are in it for themselves, not for the greater good of the UK.
It is heartbreaking to watch and hear what’s going on, and I dearly wish I could vote Tory safe in the knowledge that they will turn the country around, no matter how painful it may be – but based on what I have witnessed thus far, not only will they carry on as a newer version of Blair’s government, but they may not even get elected!
Taking into consideration the very sad and dire state of affairs the country is in, this is truly shocking!
Not one Tory policy is driven by clear values. A direct reflection on the 'keep everyone happy' leader.
Ken Clark (or another) is installed as Leader and suddenly we have hope...
Tangent Police said:
Are the IMF not like the bringer of methadone. We are sat shivering from our lack of smack and then we get their injection of methadone, which stops the shivering. As soon as the dealer rocks up, we're all reaching for the spoons.
Can they make us sort out this unsustainable nonsense, or are they all nice communitarians and the nice socialist things we enjoy, we can get to keep?
I don't think we've got a public who will vote for the country, in front of themselves.
They don't understand it and they think they owe it nothing and it owes them everything.
The IMF will only hand over the methadone if the country agrees to reform. You want the IMF to bail you out you have to change. You can go on strike, blame evil bankers, march around blaming capitalism but no cash without reform.Can they make us sort out this unsustainable nonsense, or are they all nice communitarians and the nice socialist things we enjoy, we can get to keep?
I don't think we've got a public who will vote for the country, in front of themselves.
They don't understand it and they think they owe it nothing and it owes them everything.
The IMF don't need a public vote to get their way.
Mermaid said:
V8mate said:
chris watton said:
I find Cameron exasperating! The way this country has been run into the ground (and still grinding its people further), I want to see genuine anger and conviction, especially from a Conservative leader. What do I see instead? The complete opposite. It seems he is trying to please all of the people all of the time, and in doing so, alienating just about every demographic!
It would be nice to see a politician who has genuine conviction and stick to their guns, no matter what. If they have to rely on advisors and spin doctors to tell them how to dress, think and say, then they are soulless empty vassals to the faceless quangos. I absolutely despised Thatcher at the time, but at least, with the benefit of hindsight, she believed both in herself and her country – I don’t get that ‘vibe’ from any of them now, I feel they are in it for themselves, not for the greater good of the UK.
It is heartbreaking to watch and hear what’s going on, and I dearly wish I could vote Tory safe in the knowledge that they will turn the country around, no matter how painful it may be – but based on what I have witnessed thus far, not only will they carry on as a newer version of Blair’s government, but they may not even get elected!
Taking into consideration the very sad and dire state of affairs the country is in, this is truly shocking!
Amen.It would be nice to see a politician who has genuine conviction and stick to their guns, no matter what. If they have to rely on advisors and spin doctors to tell them how to dress, think and say, then they are soulless empty vassals to the faceless quangos. I absolutely despised Thatcher at the time, but at least, with the benefit of hindsight, she believed both in herself and her country – I don’t get that ‘vibe’ from any of them now, I feel they are in it for themselves, not for the greater good of the UK.
It is heartbreaking to watch and hear what’s going on, and I dearly wish I could vote Tory safe in the knowledge that they will turn the country around, no matter how painful it may be – but based on what I have witnessed thus far, not only will they carry on as a newer version of Blair’s government, but they may not even get elected!
Taking into consideration the very sad and dire state of affairs the country is in, this is truly shocking!
Not one Tory policy is driven by clear values. A direct reflection on the 'keep everyone happy' leader.
Ken Clark (or another) is installed as Leader and suddenly we have hope...
Ken Clark is more of a socialist than Gordon Brown's old man.
Fittster said:
Tangent Police said:
Are the IMF not like the bringer of methadone. We are sat shivering from our lack of smack and then we get their injection of methadone, which stops the shivering. As soon as the dealer rocks up, we're all reaching for the spoons.
Can they make us sort out this unsustainable nonsense, or are they all nice communitarians and the nice socialist things we enjoy, we can get to keep?
I don't think we've got a public who will vote for the country, in front of themselves.
They don't understand it and they think they owe it nothing and it owes them everything.
The IMF will only hand over the methadone if the country agrees to reform. You want the IMF to bail you out you have to change. You can go on strike, blame evil bankers, march around blaming capitalism but no cash without reform.Can they make us sort out this unsustainable nonsense, or are they all nice communitarians and the nice socialist things we enjoy, we can get to keep?
I don't think we've got a public who will vote for the country, in front of themselves.
They don't understand it and they think they owe it nothing and it owes them everything.
The IMF don't need a public vote to get their way.
My opinion is that we haven't got what it takes to offer a solution to what is required.
It would involve a major change for a lot of public sector/dole scum
V8mate said:
Mermaid said:
V8mate said:
chris watton said:
I find Cameron exasperating! The way this country has been run into the ground (and still grinding its people further), I want to see genuine anger and conviction, especially from a Conservative leader. What do I see instead? The complete opposite. It seems he is trying to please all of the people all of the time, and in doing so, alienating just about every demographic!
It would be nice to see a politician who has genuine conviction and stick to their guns, no matter what. If they have to rely on advisors and spin doctors to tell them how to dress, think and say, then they are soulless empty vassals to the faceless quangos. I absolutely despised Thatcher at the time, but at least, with the benefit of hindsight, she believed both in herself and her country – I don’t get that ‘vibe’ from any of them now, I feel they are in it for themselves, not for the greater good of the UK.
It is heartbreaking to watch and hear what’s going on, and I dearly wish I could vote Tory safe in the knowledge that they will turn the country around, no matter how painful it may be – but based on what I have witnessed thus far, not only will they carry on as a newer version of Blair’s government, but they may not even get elected!
Taking into consideration the very sad and dire state of affairs the country is in, this is truly shocking!
Amen.It would be nice to see a politician who has genuine conviction and stick to their guns, no matter what. If they have to rely on advisors and spin doctors to tell them how to dress, think and say, then they are soulless empty vassals to the faceless quangos. I absolutely despised Thatcher at the time, but at least, with the benefit of hindsight, she believed both in herself and her country – I don’t get that ‘vibe’ from any of them now, I feel they are in it for themselves, not for the greater good of the UK.
It is heartbreaking to watch and hear what’s going on, and I dearly wish I could vote Tory safe in the knowledge that they will turn the country around, no matter how painful it may be – but based on what I have witnessed thus far, not only will they carry on as a newer version of Blair’s government, but they may not even get elected!
Taking into consideration the very sad and dire state of affairs the country is in, this is truly shocking!
Not one Tory policy is driven by clear values. A direct reflection on the 'keep everyone happy' leader.
Ken Clark (or another) is installed as Leader and suddenly we have hope...
Ken Clark is more of a socialist than Gordon Brown's old man.
Ken or another! - if they get the Tories elected, that's fine by me. The issue is the Captain of the team is not inspiring, even to the Tories.
Gerald warner on the money as usual
Gerald Warner said:
Just ninety minutes of PR candy-floss from a Liberal Democrat wide boy – that was all it took – and the papier-mâché construct that was Cameronian Pseudo-Conservatism crumpled and dissolved. Yesterday William Hague, the Cameronians’ best debater, was taken out in the course of the Daily Politics debate – a defeat analogous to Marshal Marmont surrendering Napoleon’s last army as the Allies closed in on Paris. Then the supposed fight-back election broadcast turned out to be a session of meaningless Daveguff delivered in a garden against a background of piano music, like an old silent movie. Vichy Toryism is assuming the past tense – the whole Potemkin village is collapsing.
Already, on last night’s edition of the Daily Politics, they were asking the teasing question: if Dave loses the election will he have to go? The answer, axiomatically, is yes, within 24 hours, and his whole tainted clique with him. Yet Michael Portillo, the first begetter of Tory “modernisation”, maintained he should stay (it would be fun watching him try); he also insisted that Cameron and his accomplices must not respond to their present emergency by venturing onto the topics of immigration or Europe, which Dave succeeded in removing from their agenda.
Whom the gods wish to destroy… The implosion of the Cameronian imposture is not difficult to understand. The nation is massively concerned about immigration, but the Cameronians refuse to discuss it, beyond a pledge to import “tens of thousands” a year. The only policy on immigration that would come within a mile of meeting public demand would be a total moratorium on incomers for a minimum of 10 years, accompanied by a focused and exhaustive drive to discover and expel all illegals. Nothing less will be seriously entertained as an “immigration policy” by the British public.
On Europe, the obvious Conservative policy would be to guarantee to hold two referenda within the lifetime of the next parliament. The first, to be held within six months of taking office, would be a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. Yes, it would be a referendum on an already ratified treaty – AS WAS THE ONLY PRECEDENT, THE 1975 REFERENDUM ON EUROPE, after smirking Head Teeth misled us into the EEC. If the answer turned out to be No to Lisbon, Britain would unilaterally derogate from its provisions, followed by a further referendum on continued membership, Yes or No, of the European Union.
Other obvious policies would include the abolition of 90 per cent of quangos; the repeal by a single-clause Bill of all PC laws passed by Labour since 1997 as listed in an annexed schedule; an end of tinkering with the constitution but a Draconian crack-down instead on financial fraud by members of both Houses of Parliament with all offences criminalised; the scrapping of all proposed taxes, subsidies and other measures relating to the global warming myth; a referendum on the restoration of capital punishment; and the imposition of punitive sentencing for criminals, with victim status restored to the person against whom the offence was committed, instead of the perpetrator.
The tragedy is that any moderately competent Conservative leader offering such policies would now be within a couple of weeks of being swept to power on a landslide. Instead, Cameron and his clowns are fighting desperately for survival, after 13 years of the worst misrule Britain has ever experienced. They cannot organise a “fight-back” because they have no real policies beyond toy-town socialist fantasies such as “Big Society” (dear God!), no principles, no grounding in basic Conservative philosophy, no genuinely Tory instincts, no understanding of the people of this country and how they think and live.
The Vichy Tories live in a metropolitan cocoon, sharing a comfort zone of liberal-left political correctness with their supposed opponents in the other two main parties. They have used consensual complicity for half a century to frustrate the wishes of the nation on such issues as capital punishment and immigration. Mesmerised by the Great Charlatan Tony Blair, they imagined they could use the same marketing techniques to sell themselves into government. Dave has a masterly blueprint for winning the 1997 general election: in the 2010 contest he is hardly any longer a contender.
Already, on last night’s edition of the Daily Politics, they were asking the teasing question: if Dave loses the election will he have to go? The answer, axiomatically, is yes, within 24 hours, and his whole tainted clique with him. Yet Michael Portillo, the first begetter of Tory “modernisation”, maintained he should stay (it would be fun watching him try); he also insisted that Cameron and his accomplices must not respond to their present emergency by venturing onto the topics of immigration or Europe, which Dave succeeded in removing from their agenda.
Whom the gods wish to destroy… The implosion of the Cameronian imposture is not difficult to understand. The nation is massively concerned about immigration, but the Cameronians refuse to discuss it, beyond a pledge to import “tens of thousands” a year. The only policy on immigration that would come within a mile of meeting public demand would be a total moratorium on incomers for a minimum of 10 years, accompanied by a focused and exhaustive drive to discover and expel all illegals. Nothing less will be seriously entertained as an “immigration policy” by the British public.
On Europe, the obvious Conservative policy would be to guarantee to hold two referenda within the lifetime of the next parliament. The first, to be held within six months of taking office, would be a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. Yes, it would be a referendum on an already ratified treaty – AS WAS THE ONLY PRECEDENT, THE 1975 REFERENDUM ON EUROPE, after smirking Head Teeth misled us into the EEC. If the answer turned out to be No to Lisbon, Britain would unilaterally derogate from its provisions, followed by a further referendum on continued membership, Yes or No, of the European Union.
Other obvious policies would include the abolition of 90 per cent of quangos; the repeal by a single-clause Bill of all PC laws passed by Labour since 1997 as listed in an annexed schedule; an end of tinkering with the constitution but a Draconian crack-down instead on financial fraud by members of both Houses of Parliament with all offences criminalised; the scrapping of all proposed taxes, subsidies and other measures relating to the global warming myth; a referendum on the restoration of capital punishment; and the imposition of punitive sentencing for criminals, with victim status restored to the person against whom the offence was committed, instead of the perpetrator.
The tragedy is that any moderately competent Conservative leader offering such policies would now be within a couple of weeks of being swept to power on a landslide. Instead, Cameron and his clowns are fighting desperately for survival, after 13 years of the worst misrule Britain has ever experienced. They cannot organise a “fight-back” because they have no real policies beyond toy-town socialist fantasies such as “Big Society” (dear God!), no principles, no grounding in basic Conservative philosophy, no genuinely Tory instincts, no understanding of the people of this country and how they think and live.
The Vichy Tories live in a metropolitan cocoon, sharing a comfort zone of liberal-left political correctness with their supposed opponents in the other two main parties. They have used consensual complicity for half a century to frustrate the wishes of the nation on such issues as capital punishment and immigration. Mesmerised by the Great Charlatan Tony Blair, they imagined they could use the same marketing techniques to sell themselves into government. Dave has a masterly blueprint for winning the 1997 general election: in the 2010 contest he is hardly any longer a contender.
F i F said:
Gerald warner on the money as usual
Which is why we are so fGerald Warner said:
Just ninety minutes of PR candy-floss from a Liberal Democrat wide boy – that was all it took – and the papier-mâché construct that was Cameronian Pseudo-Conservatism crumpled and dissolved. Yesterday William Hague, the Cameronians’ best debater, was taken out in the course of the Daily Politics debate – a defeat analogous to Marshal Marmont surrendering Napoleon’s last army as the Allies closed in on Paris. Then the supposed fight-back election broadcast turned out to be a session of meaningless Daveguff delivered in a garden against a background of piano music, like an old silent movie. Vichy Toryism is assuming the past tense – the whole Potemkin village is collapsing.
Already, on last night’s edition of the Daily Politics, they were asking the teasing question: if Dave loses the election will he have to go? The answer, axiomatically, is yes, within 24 hours, and his whole tainted clique with him. Yet Michael Portillo, the first begetter of Tory “modernisation”, maintained he should stay (it would be fun watching him try); he also insisted that Cameron and his accomplices must not respond to their present emergency by venturing onto the topics of immigration or Europe, which Dave succeeded in removing from their agenda.
Whom the gods wish to destroy… The implosion of the Cameronian imposture is not difficult to understand. The nation is massively concerned about immigration, but the Cameronians refuse to discuss it, beyond a pledge to import “tens of thousands” a year. The only policy on immigration that would come within a mile of meeting public demand would be a total moratorium on incomers for a minimum of 10 years, accompanied by a focused and exhaustive drive to discover and expel all illegals. Nothing less will be seriously entertained as an “immigration policy” by the British public.
On Europe, the obvious Conservative policy would be to guarantee to hold two referenda within the lifetime of the next parliament. The first, to be held within six months of taking office, would be a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. Yes, it would be a referendum on an already ratified treaty – AS WAS THE ONLY PRECEDENT, THE 1975 REFERENDUM ON EUROPE, after smirking Head Teeth misled us into the EEC. If the answer turned out to be No to Lisbon, Britain would unilaterally derogate from its provisions, followed by a further referendum on continued membership, Yes or No, of the European Union.
Other obvious policies would include the abolition of 90 per cent of quangos; the repeal by a single-clause Bill of all PC laws passed by Labour since 1997 as listed in an annexed schedule; an end of tinkering with the constitution but a Draconian crack-down instead on financial fraud by members of both Houses of Parliament with all offences criminalised; the scrapping of all proposed taxes, subsidies and other measures relating to the global warming myth; a referendum on the restoration of capital punishment; and the imposition of punitive sentencing for criminals, with victim status restored to the person against whom the offence was committed, instead of the perpetrator.
The tragedy is that any moderately competent Conservative leader offering such policies would now be within a couple of weeks of being swept to power on a landslide. Instead, Cameron and his clowns are fighting desperately for survival, after 13 years of the worst misrule Britain has ever experienced. They cannot organise a “fight-back” because they have no real policies beyond toy-town socialist fantasies such as “Big Society” (dear God!), no principles, no grounding in basic Conservative philosophy, no genuinely Tory instincts, no understanding of the people of this country and how they think and live.
The Vichy Tories live in a metropolitan cocoon, sharing a comfort zone of liberal-left political correctness with their supposed opponents in the other two main parties. They have used consensual complicity for half a century to frustrate the wishes of the nation on such issues as capital punishment and immigration. Mesmerised by the Great Charlatan Tony Blair, they imagined they could use the same marketing techniques to sell themselves into government. Dave has a masterly blueprint for winning the 1997 general election: in the 2010 contest he is hardly any longer a contender.
Already, on last night’s edition of the Daily Politics, they were asking the teasing question: if Dave loses the election will he have to go? The answer, axiomatically, is yes, within 24 hours, and his whole tainted clique with him. Yet Michael Portillo, the first begetter of Tory “modernisation”, maintained he should stay (it would be fun watching him try); he also insisted that Cameron and his accomplices must not respond to their present emergency by venturing onto the topics of immigration or Europe, which Dave succeeded in removing from their agenda.
Whom the gods wish to destroy… The implosion of the Cameronian imposture is not difficult to understand. The nation is massively concerned about immigration, but the Cameronians refuse to discuss it, beyond a pledge to import “tens of thousands” a year. The only policy on immigration that would come within a mile of meeting public demand would be a total moratorium on incomers for a minimum of 10 years, accompanied by a focused and exhaustive drive to discover and expel all illegals. Nothing less will be seriously entertained as an “immigration policy” by the British public.
On Europe, the obvious Conservative policy would be to guarantee to hold two referenda within the lifetime of the next parliament. The first, to be held within six months of taking office, would be a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. Yes, it would be a referendum on an already ratified treaty – AS WAS THE ONLY PRECEDENT, THE 1975 REFERENDUM ON EUROPE, after smirking Head Teeth misled us into the EEC. If the answer turned out to be No to Lisbon, Britain would unilaterally derogate from its provisions, followed by a further referendum on continued membership, Yes or No, of the European Union.
Other obvious policies would include the abolition of 90 per cent of quangos; the repeal by a single-clause Bill of all PC laws passed by Labour since 1997 as listed in an annexed schedule; an end of tinkering with the constitution but a Draconian crack-down instead on financial fraud by members of both Houses of Parliament with all offences criminalised; the scrapping of all proposed taxes, subsidies and other measures relating to the global warming myth; a referendum on the restoration of capital punishment; and the imposition of punitive sentencing for criminals, with victim status restored to the person against whom the offence was committed, instead of the perpetrator.
The tragedy is that any moderately competent Conservative leader offering such policies would now be within a couple of weeks of being swept to power on a landslide. Instead, Cameron and his clowns are fighting desperately for survival, after 13 years of the worst misrule Britain has ever experienced. They cannot organise a “fight-back” because they have no real policies beyond toy-town socialist fantasies such as “Big Society” (dear God!), no principles, no grounding in basic Conservative philosophy, no genuinely Tory instincts, no understanding of the people of this country and how they think and live.
The Vichy Tories live in a metropolitan cocoon, sharing a comfort zone of liberal-left political correctness with their supposed opponents in the other two main parties. They have used consensual complicity for half a century to frustrate the wishes of the nation on such issues as capital punishment and immigration. Mesmerised by the Great Charlatan Tony Blair, they imagined they could use the same marketing techniques to sell themselves into government. Dave has a masterly blueprint for winning the 1997 general election: in the 2010 contest he is hardly any longer a contender.
ked. Tangent Police said:
Which is why we are so fked.
Correct, and what is so frustrating is that some of us have been trying to get Dave and his cronies to see why and where they were going to pull the defeat from the jaws of victory for months and months, and been ignored, deleted, moderated out and finally have given up.ked. In a way a true hung parliament with an equitable split between the three main parties will reflect their true position , ie that they are more or less the same, all worse or better than the others in different ways, but on balance the same.
The trouble is that if the country woke up and looked at the policies and fit those policies to their own opinions rather than the usual "I've always voted xxxx" malarkey then the chnge that everybody seems to want may actually happen. Problem is the change parties are a bit / lot scary, but in other ways.
cs02rm0 said:
Strangely Brown said:
I wonder how much different things would be had they elected David Davis as leader instead of Cameron. IMO, he was the Betamax to Cameron's VHS: So much better, but didn't get the popular following.
+1It's not enough to competent, or even outstanding. John Redmond (Mr Spock) was an outstanding politician and would have given the economy the focus it needed. But charismatic leader? No chance.
The people need someone they can get behind. Someone they can believe in and trust and share a vision with. That person can surround themselves with bland but skilled practitioners, but the leader needs to be just that.
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