Students compare themselves to starving Ethiopians

[Hansgerd]

paddyhasneeds said:

So don't go to university then?

Oh I forgot, you're happy to take the well paid jobs...

Was that pointed at me ? Now let me tell you "Paddy has needs" (your member name actually speaks for itself - sorry for the obvious offence but that is just man made).

I went to uni and I paid for it through a student loan in Germany. I also worked halftime during uni. When I got a job I paid it all back over a 10 year period including interest. I've got an engineering degree and am not bad off but don't earn millions.

Herbert Groenemeyer who is a famous German musician once studied but he quit it to have enough time for his music. He made millions... that's talent. The other thing is just work.

So to answer your question: No, you don't actually need to go to uni to have a very well paid job. But do you have any talent ?

Edited by Hansgerd on Wednesday 1st December 19:18

[Oakey]

carreauchompeur said:

wkers! They've removed nearly all the comments, and new ones require "Approval". Bravo for democracy!

Do you think the UAF will help fight our cause against this fascism?

[Oakey]

MX7 said:

wiffmaster said:

However, it does amuse me that the average poster on here seems to think all students these days are free loaders

Who's said that all students are freeloaders? It's the pillocks in the video that people are complaining about.

wiffmaster said:

I know I'm tarring everyone with the same brush

Ironic.

By the way, impressive garage you have for a student.

Lol, there's about £150k's worth of cars in his PH garage.

[wiffmaster]

paddyhasneeds said:

wiffmaster said:

paddyhasneeds said:

Oh I forgot, you're happy to take the well paid jobs...

Those well paid jobs which are now taxed at an effective rate vastly in excess of 50%, which you need us to take to raise enough tax revenue to start paying off the vast national debt you accrued?

Which anyone earning that money pays, so it's not as if you're being taxed more than someone else.

Sorry, personally I don't tar all students with the same brush, but I'm not a fan of the "it's my right" and "your generation didn't have to pay" attitude.

There's lots of things that differ between generations and it bugs me that people want to cherry pick only the bits that work out better for them.

I agree entirely that everyone is getting screwed equally. It's just that some people getting screwed had at least some degree of control over the situation we currently find ourselves in, whilst others didn't.

As I said, I'd be happy enough paying the increased fees because over a lifetime they're so insignificant so as to become a moot point. I'm realistic; current system is unsustainable given our current predicament. It's just that I get tired of some people pontificating and slagging off the entire student population for kicking up a fuss, whilst seeming absolving themselves of all responsibility.

Oakey said:

Lol, there's about £150k's worth of cars in his PH garage.

I've edited it now - I has access to them, but they weren't all mine. It's always stated clearly in my profile page which of those listed were mine...

Edited by wiffmaster on Wednesday 1st December 19:27

[FourWheelDrift]

So they've removed the comments, just flag it up as abusive, inciting terrorism or something enough people will get Youtube to remove it.

[Oakey]

By the way, as for blaming the previous generation for voting in Labour, they did so to get rid of the Tories. The party that are getting moaned about now by the students. Who will probably vote Labour back in! Vicious circle!

[tinman0]

FourWheelDrift said:

So they've removed the comments, just flag it up as abusive, inciting terrorism or something enough people will get Youtube to remove it.

And they've locked comments down now as well. Can't take a bit of criticism it would seem.

[remedy]

And there's silly me thinking students were for democracy and free speech.

[Gaspode]

wiffmaster said:

I hate your average socialist hippie student as much as the next sane man (and I'm speaking as a current student).

However, it does amuse me that the average poster on here seems to think all students these days are free loaders who want the moon on a stick. Conveniently forgetting that it was your generation who got us into this situation.
....isn't playing devil's advocate fun...

It's certainly true that a large proportion of the country's voters have consistently voted against high taxation but for high public expenditure, and have expected the government to borrow to make up the shortfall. It's also true that many people have leveraged themselves up to the hilt, not concerning themselves with how they were ever going to pay it back. For that, the young can carry no blame - by and large, it was their parents that got them into this mess.

But don't let this deflect attention from the issue of the right way to pay for university tuition. When I went to university, it's true that I didn't have to pay tuition fees, indeed I got a grant which by and large paid for my upkeep whilst I was there: BUT this was a time when the standard taxation rate was 33%, with a top rate of 83%. I'm sure we could probably offer students free tuition, a restoration of their grants, and throw in free weed and beer too if we were to return to those levels of tax! Even when Maggie Thatcher came in she only cut the base rate to 30% at first. Suggest to people these days that they should pay 30p in the pound income tax and you'd really see some rioting.

I appreciate that you are not one of them, but what tends to annoy this grumpy old git are the whiners who seem to want to continue to have their cake and eat it - continuing to campaign for high public expenditure and low taxation just doesn't cut it any more as a sensible demand.

[tinman0]

remedy said:

And there's silly me thinking students were for democracy and free speech.

Hmm, time to get it into the Daily Mail I think They can't delete our comments there lol.

[thinfourth2]

xr287 said:

thinfourth2 said:

You think the song is bad

Wait till you meet the degree students

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY351VUzLdo

These people will be more qualified then me and they are fking morons

I'm glad I was not drinking anthing when I read your comment!

Have they filmed this to take the piss? These people are all doing the most pointless degrees available. They couldn't have picked a better selection of people to further the stereotype of non-degrees. Apart from maybe the journalism one but what is up with that girl?

I have yet to think of a good reason to pay for these tossers

[Tsippy]

thinfourth2 said:

xr287 said:

thinfourth2 said:

You think the song is bad

Wait till you meet the degree students

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY351VUzLdo

These people will be more qualified then me and they are fking morons

I'm glad I was not drinking anthing when I read your comment!

Have they filmed this to take the piss? These people are all doing the most pointless degrees available. They couldn't have picked a better selection of people to further the stereotype of non-degrees. Apart from maybe the journalism one but what is up with that girl?

I have yet to think of a good reason to pay for these tossers

Because they're your futrue (sic) apparently

[IainT]

paulrockliffe said:

Mrs OwenK said:

But you don't have to pay a single penny until you're earning a pretty good wage - and even then, in such small quantities that you'll never even notice.

I'm not supporting any of this, but bear in mind that if you don't pay anything back for a few years, the size of the capital will only grow due to interest. If you're earning £21k and paying back £7 a week I think Clegg said yesterday, you're not even covering the interest. So if you get to the end of your days earning below £30k, you'll be paying about a grand a year or so for most of your working life, yet still not making an impact on the capital. All figures very approximate.

The answer is blindingly obvious though; don't go to uni as a default position. Especially if you're thick as pig-st and have no work ethic.

My wife's from the Socialist Republic of Sweden, university educated.

They have a loan that covers tuition and living expenses. It'd, relatively, massive compared ot the debt I left uni with (fully paid off >10 years ago). She will only finish paying it off in about 20=25 years time... i.e. at retirement age.

Students here just don't have a clue. They either pay for their education now or in taxes later and this way is fairer. If you don't benefit from teh expenses of education you don't pay for it.

However a graduate tax would be better - should be possible to work it so it brings in more than the actual cost of the education...

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I guess they didnt get the response the were hoping for and so deservedly deserve. Its just not fair

ps. thats the closest i could find to the worlds smallest violin smily

[tinman0]

borrow mine:

[Funk]

Ah, the ol' "We don't like what you have to say so we're censoring you.." routine. Proper fking socialists. What it needs is someone to re-host that video on another account where they can't censor peoples' opinions. I notice that they don't seem to be able to do anything about the number of 'dislikes' though.

[thinfourth2]

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[chris watton]

Funk said:

Ah, the ol' "We don't like what you have to say so we're censoring you.." routine. Proper fking socialists. What it needs is someone to re-host that video on another account where they can't censor peoples' opinions. I notice that they don't seem to be able to do anything about the number of 'dislikes' though.

They are all like that, if you don't agree with their narrow minded little views, you are nothing short of a child eating Nazi. I posted an honest review of that propaganda film "The Age of Stupid" on Amazon, and because I gave it a negative write up, I was (inevitably) called a "Holocaust denier"
They all seem to be of the same mind-set.

[thinfourth2]

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