Bahrain Protests
Discussion
Rodimus said:
Thank you 
Right now the opposition leaders werent ready to talk at first. Then one group stepped in and ditched the other three so they get their chance to show the crown prince they are willing to work together for change. This angered the other Three and they had issues between them. I feel sorry for the younger generation who follow them. Hopefully, grown men will start acting their age and work together. At first they had two demands. A withdrawl of the army and for the prime minister to step out of office. The second one is a tricky one so hopefully by today they will resolve it with the opposition groups.
update on the situation there- rumours has it that the PM might be forced out of office in the next couple of days. Most likely tomorrow. Ecclestone gave them a deadline until wednesday to make a decision whether or not F1 takes place in Bahrain. A lot of the teams dont want to risk going there and McLaren wont comment on it, i think for obvious reasons, because bahrain holds 50% of Mclaren automotive and 45% of mclaren racing. The situation in bahrain looks like it may be resolved this week but what the opposition groups want more right now is to see F1 cancelled and when it does get cancelled, they will create new enemies within the community who relly on tourism and relly mainly on F1.
That seems to back my prediction. I hope all goes well for you. Right now the opposition leaders werent ready to talk at first. Then one group stepped in and ditched the other three so they get their chance to show the crown prince they are willing to work together for change. This angered the other Three and they had issues between them. I feel sorry for the younger generation who follow them. Hopefully, grown men will start acting their age and work together. At first they had two demands. A withdrawl of the army and for the prime minister to step out of office. The second one is a tricky one so hopefully by today they will resolve it with the opposition groups.
update on the situation there- rumours has it that the PM might be forced out of office in the next couple of days. Most likely tomorrow. Ecclestone gave them a deadline until wednesday to make a decision whether or not F1 takes place in Bahrain. A lot of the teams dont want to risk going there and McLaren wont comment on it, i think for obvious reasons, because bahrain holds 50% of Mclaren automotive and 45% of mclaren racing. The situation in bahrain looks like it may be resolved this week but what the opposition groups want more right now is to see F1 cancelled and when it does get cancelled, they will create new enemies within the community who relly on tourism and relly mainly on F1.
MOTORVATOR said:
Rodimus, you state it is tricky for the Prime Minister to step down. Can you expand on that as he seems to be the key to all this.
Is it just that things are moving quicker than the family wanted or that the remaining cabinet will be threatened?
They want him out cause he is the only one who knows how to deal with them. They want to appoint their own prime minister which will never happen. He has cracked down on many opposition leaders in the past. Before our current king ruled, he kicked a lot of people out of the country for political reasons. The pro government protesters want him in because he isn't easy to deal with. He would never do anything for the opposition group like the crown prince's offering.Is it just that things are moving quicker than the family wanted or that the remaining cabinet will be threatened?
There have been many ministers in the past who take advantage of their roles but recently, there was one that was sacked for spying on Bahrain and money laundering. That minister had direct ties with Iran.
http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/bahrain/bahrain-mini...
In a nutshell, whenever the opposition wantsvsomething done, the PM stands in the way so they want him out.
There was an interesting article I read today. It was a wikileaks leaked cable of Bahrain stating how the opposition group gets training in Lebanon from Hezbollah and this was in 2008. Two years later they tried making car bombs, this year they find Hezbollah embedded weapons. Coincidance? Highly unlikely.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...
Rodimus, you make some interesting points and it's good to get an insight from the pro ruling families point of view but, don't you think having an unelected,appointed and highly divisive (from the Shiites pov) PM (who just happens to be the Kings Uncle and Bahrain's richest man) sitting in power for over 40 years is a tad unreasonable?
No one would expect you to support a full blown democratic revolution (turkeys voting for Xmas and all that) but if the King was serious about his 'democratic reforms' as promised in 2002 then let your people choose their Prime Minister. If Prince Khalifa is as popular as you say then he'll be returned to power anyway.
What is an ideal situation in your opinion, how would you like to see yourself and your people governed?
No one would expect you to support a full blown democratic revolution (turkeys voting for Xmas and all that) but if the King was serious about his 'democratic reforms' as promised in 2002 then let your people choose their Prime Minister. If Prince Khalifa is as popular as you say then he'll be returned to power anyway.
What is an ideal situation in your opinion, how would you like to see yourself and your people governed?
Rodimus said:
They want him out cause he is the only one who knows how to deal with them. They want to appoint their own prime minister which will never happen. He has cracked down on many opposition leaders in the past. Before our current king ruled, he kicked a lot of people out of the country for political reasons. The pro government protesters want him in because he isn't easy to deal with. He would never do anything for the opposition group like the crown prince's offering.
There have been many ministers in the past who take advantage of their roles but recently, there was one that was sacked for spying on Bahrain and money laundering. That minister had direct ties with Iran.
http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/bahrain/bahrain-mini...
In a nutshell, whenever the opposition wantsvsomething done, the PM stands in the way so they want him out.
There was an interesting article I read today. It was a wikileaks leaked cable of Bahrain stating how the opposition group gets training in Lebanon from Hezbollah and this was in 2008. Two years later they tried making car bombs, this year they find Hezbollah embedded weapons. Coincidance? Highly unlikely.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...
There have been many ministers in the past who take advantage of their roles but recently, there was one that was sacked for spying on Bahrain and money laundering. That minister had direct ties with Iran.
http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/bahrain/bahrain-mini...
In a nutshell, whenever the opposition wantsvsomething done, the PM stands in the way so they want him out.
There was an interesting article I read today. It was a wikileaks leaked cable of Bahrain stating how the opposition group gets training in Lebanon from Hezbollah and this was in 2008. Two years later they tried making car bombs, this year they find Hezbollah embedded weapons. Coincidance? Highly unlikely.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...
Rodimus said:
....Its because of the stampede that resulted in the death of a 52 year old whose pic you have seen with his skull cracked open....
And you expect us to swallow that? Skull blown away more like, and from quotes taken by international reporters from medical staff, more likely the result of an explosive discharge. Stampedes do not cause that level of damage. Could always go down the same route as Kuwait - that worked out well...
Anyway - the Sunnis have had it very cushy for a long time controlling most of the wealth in the region (Gulf States) - it's not surprising that the Shia majority in Bahrain has had enough.
The only reason why it's quiet in the other Gulf States is the people that matter, the locals (Sunni majority), are well looked after by the governments/ruling families.
Anyway - the Sunnis have had it very cushy for a long time controlling most of the wealth in the region (Gulf States) - it's not surprising that the Shia majority in Bahrain has had enough.
The only reason why it's quiet in the other Gulf States is the people that matter, the locals (Sunni majority), are well looked after by the governments/ruling families.
Edited by Asterix on Monday 21st February 16:48
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Asterix said:
The only reason why it's quiet in the other Gulf States is the people that matter, the locals (Sunni majority), are well looked after by the governments/ruling families.
It can't stay like that forever though. Eventually people will want a bigger share of the oil money or just some democracy. It was probably fine years ago without twitter and the internet and satellite TV. Nowadays young people all know what's going on in other countries, they're not all going to remain content. Munter said:
=GRAPHIC VIDEO. YOU'VE BEEN WARNED=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZIPLLERpKI
If you pay mercenaries to do your security. This is the sort of thing that happens.
If true, that’s pathetically barbaric (cant see bod getting shot and the others just dancing round instead of helping are a tad suspect, so not 100% it is real), no need to kill protestors, why not use tear gas / high pressur hoses etc.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZIPLLERpKI
If you pay mercenaries to do your security. This is the sort of thing that happens.
KANEIT said:
Rodimus said:
....Its because of the stampede that resulted in the death of a 52 year old whose pic you have seen with his skull cracked open....
And you expect us to swallow that? Skull blown away more like, and from quotes taken by international reporters from medical staff, more likely the result of an explosive discharge. Stampedes do not cause that level of damage. Munter said:
=GRAPHIC VIDEO. YOU'VE BEEN WARNED=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZIPLLERpKI
If you pay mercenaries to do your security. This is the sort of thing that happens.
Already posted on page 2.It was the military who did that.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZIPLLERpKI
If you pay mercenaries to do your security. This is the sort of thing that happens.
allnighter said:
KANEIT said:
Rodimus said:
....Its because of the stampede that resulted in the death of a 52 year old whose pic you have seen with his skull cracked open....
And you expect us to swallow that? Skull blown away more like, and from quotes taken by international reporters from medical staff, more likely the result of an explosive discharge. Stampedes do not cause that level of damage. Jimbeaux said:
allnighter said:
KANEIT said:
Rodimus said:
....Its because of the stampede that resulted in the death of a 52 year old whose pic you have seen with his skull cracked open....
And you expect us to swallow that? Skull blown away more like, and from quotes taken by international reporters from medical staff, more likely the result of an explosive discharge. Stampedes do not cause that level of damage. el stovey said:
It can't stay like that forever though. Eventually people will want a bigger share of the oil money or just some democracy.
They are unlikely to get democracy as we know it. Or, come to that, as anyone else knows it. In all probability it will be a theocracy where you can vote for any vicar you like.Derek Smith said:
el stovey said:
It can't stay like that forever though. Eventually people will want a bigger share of the oil money or just some democracy.
They are unlikely to get democracy as we know it. Or, come to that, as anyone else knows it. In all probability it will be a theocracy where you can vote for any vicar you like.
Is there a single ME state that has been able to implement western democracy, with any real success?
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